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[apc2010]

After more than thirty five years the Cyprus problem has become almost a career for more than a few politicians,lawyers etc etc and its continuation keeps them busy-and earning money!When something has existed for a long time,vested interests always develop from it and the status-quo guarantees their existence....
I also agree that the way Papadopoulos aired his desperate plea was not a fair and objective presentation of the ins and outs of the proposed solution, but the culmination of several months of orchestrated campaigning against it by most of the media,the church and other supporters he had rallied after he found himself in a difficult position when Turkey sidelined Denktash and Erdogan accepted it!The attitude of Christophias in particular was very suspicious at that time and gave the impression he was afraid of the AKEL losing its share in the government if he opposed Papadopoulos and the plan was then rejected in the referendum!He was largely responsible too for Clerides defeat in 2003,also ostensibly because AKEL was more interested in a share in power than a solution to the Cyprus question...but all that is history now and we are paying the price.
Asking people to take the responsibility for such a momentous decision about a very complex plan that an average person would have neither the time or probably neither the ability to interpret and understand and then vote in a referendum was a very bad decision by the U.N. and it should have been at least postponed until people here had a better opportunity to debate and analyse is implications in simplified terms,ideally with independent presentations that did not have a vested interest in either its adoption or rejection.It is clear from the postings here that these opinions and interests exist on both sides and will still influence any future referendum that is held for the same purpose.Political leaders are elected to take responsibility and often have to make decisions which may be unpopular with some people when it is in the long-term interest of the country.If a leader does not have the charisma and vision to see 'outside the box' and take the risk of making such crucial decisions then he is not a leader, but merely a political opportunist who puts his personal interests first in holding onto power!Such figures have been relatively few throughout world history and it is highly debatable whether Cyprus has ever had one!Shoving the responsibility onto the people after waging a biased campaign using state machinery as well is definitely not an example of good leadership!

You "touch" political taboos which are out of bounds by many on this forum Cymart. Many of the points you make are valid & true. I too agree, our political leaders are gutless and don't have the boldness required to do the job. Expect attacks from various hardliners on this forum who are certain, the only ones to blame are the TCs and people like you & me, who can "see" things in a different way than they do. A neutral view of examining the situation cannot be tolerated but only labeled as Turkish propaganda! A narrow minded phenomenon, common in Cyprus, I'm afraid.

You either go by their "line" or you are trash. They are right, we are wrong, end of story. If you decide to post anything else, you are considered a traitor of Cyprus. These hardliners are ruthless and bias against anyone who would dare to disagree with them. They always resort to foul and inflammatory language to put their point across, thinking they won the argument by doing that. A sad story really.

In the end, cooler heads shall prevail, the solution will come in some sort of a compromise, leaving the hardliners still smoldering because things did not work out their way. Let me remind all hardliners, from both sides, you will not get your way, simply because your demands are impossible to meet.

georgious, which way did you vote annan plan please ,,

[georgios100]

George, I dont understand your persistance in this method. We were very nearly shafted with the Ankara Plan that had so much external influence. Imagine if this BA you seek was to be subjected to the same influnce, which it will.
The arbitration team shall not consist of any of the parties involved to avoid just that, external influence.
We would lose our country to the turks. Is that what you are trying to achieve? Because from where i am standing you are trying to push us into a corner. Its no wonder some here are suspicious of your real identity.
I don't have to swear to the TC side to get my point across or to convince you or anyone else about my origin by posting BA options. The way Cyprob is headed, we might end up with partition or 2 state situation and regret we never considered BA as an option. Who is to blame now?
As for Tpap, he saved Cyprus from hell and he should be considered a hero and not demonised. He kept us from being gangbanged by turkey, uk and us.
I for one am glad he did what he did otherwise we would all be withs arms today at war and not a progressive EU nation.
Tpap biggest mistake was to accept & present the Anan plan to the people of Cyprus for a vote in the first place. He should have resigned, rather than accept the plan as it was drafted and ask for a vote. The only reason I see him crying on the TV was for political gain, knowing before hand the plan would be rejected... thanks to him.
Please stop this idea of BA, it is not failsafe we would be heading for disaster.
We are not prepared to legalise turkieys legalities just like that.
Hade kanei.

Nothing is failsafe when "handling" the Cyprob (including BA).

[georgios100]

After more than thirty five years the Cyprus problem has become almost a career for more than a few politicians,lawyers etc etc and its continuation keeps them busy-and earning money!When something has existed for a long time,vested interests always develop from it and the status-quo guarantees their existence....
I also agree that the way Papadopoulos aired his desperate plea was not a fair and objective presentation of the ins and outs of the proposed solution, but the culmination of several months of orchestrated campaigning against it by most of the media,the church and other supporters he had rallied after he found himself in a difficult position when Turkey sidelined Denktash and Erdogan accepted it!The attitude of Christophias in particular was very suspicious at that time and gave the impression he was afraid of the AKEL losing its share in the government if he opposed Papadopoulos and the plan was then rejected in the referendum!He was largely responsible too for Clerides defeat in 2003,also ostensibly because AKEL was more interested in a share in power than a solution to the Cyprus question...but all that is history now and we are paying the price.
Asking people to take the responsibility for such a momentous decision about a very complex plan that an average person would have neither the time or probably neither the ability to interpret and understand and then vote in a referendum was a very bad decision by the U.N. and it should have been at least postponed until people here had a better opportunity to debate and analyse is implications in simplified terms,ideally with independent presentations that did not have a vested interest in either its adoption or rejection.It is clear from the postings here that these opinions and interests exist on both sides and will still influence any future referendum that is held for the same purpose.Political leaders are elected to take responsibility and often have to make decisions which may be unpopular with some people when it is in the long-term interest of the country.If a leader does not have the charisma and vision to see 'outside the box' and take the risk of making such crucial decisions then he is not a leader, but merely a political opportunist who puts his personal interests first in holding onto power!Such figures have been relatively few throughout world history and it is highly debatable whether Cyprus has ever had one!Shoving the responsibility onto the people after waging a biased campaign using state machinery as well is definitely not an example of good leadership!

You "touch" political taboos which are out of bounds by many on this forum Cymart. Many of the points you make are valid & true. I too agree, our political leaders are gutless and don't have the boldness required to do the job. Expect attacks from various hardliners on this forum who are certain, the only ones to blame are the TCs and people like you & me, who can "see" things in a different way than they do. A neutral view of examining the situation cannot be tolerated but only labeled as Turkish propaganda! A narrow minded phenomenon, common in Cyprus, I'm afraid.

You either go by their "line" or you are trash. They are right, we are wrong, end of story. If you decide to post anything else, you are considered a traitor of Cyprus. These hardliners are ruthless and bias against anyone who would dare to disagree with them. They always resort to foul and inflammatory language to put their point across, thinking they won the argument by doing that. A sad story really.

In the end, cooler heads shall prevail, the solution will come in some sort of a compromise, leaving the hardliners still smoldering because things did not work out their way. Let me remind all hardliners, from both sides, you will not get your way, simply because your demands are impossible to meet.

georgious, which way did you vote annan plan please ,,

I voted NO.