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Varosha: a logistical nightmare?

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Jerry » Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:46 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:The Turks want partition on 37%, and will not settle for anything less as long as they think they will have it in 100 years maybe. In the meantime they work to make any solution either impossible or near to their final goal. They don't care for what it costs.


They agreed to 29% in Annan and that was with some GCs returning home so in theory it was more than 29%. I did not like other bits of AP but it did demonstrate an acceptance that some land would have to be returned. Turkey does not care about the TCs, its military has always wanted a base in Cyprus to "protect" it from Greece, do you really believe that the north will ever be "de-Turkeyfied"?

Some GCs may keep the re-unification flame burning for a few generations but time is against us, do you honestly believe the poor Palestinians will ever get their lands back? Give Turkey its base, the ROC will survive but the Turkish Cypriots, I'm afraid, will disappear as a community - some would say it serves them right for wanting too much in the first place.
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sadly typical?

Postby cymart » Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:52 pm

I started off this thread with something about Varosha and once again it has reverted to people slagging each other off with nasty accusations-I'm really sorry because I have met people on both sides during my stay here who I really liked and respect.All I can say is that this island has a very bad karma and until people are genuinely prepared to forgive each other for the past this viscious circle of misery will continue.......you can only lead a horse to the well but you cannot make it drink!
All this bickering about owning this and that is a reflection of this narrow thinking,unless you have discovered the secret of how to live this life for ever?
Of course the truth is that nobody really owns anything,they just take temporary possession of it!You are all slaves to your illusions and your devils....
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Re: sadly typical?

Postby georgios100 » Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:17 pm

cymart wrote:I started off this thread with something about Varosha and once again it has reverted to people slagging each other off with nasty accusations-I'm really sorry because I have met people on both sides during my stay here who I really liked and respect.All I can say is that this island has a very bad karma and until people are genuinely prepared to forgive each other for the past this viscious circle of misery will continue.......you can only lead a horse to the well but you cannot make it drink!
All this bickering about owning this and that is a reflection of this narrow thinking,unless you have discovered the secret of how to live this life for ever?
Of course the truth is that nobody really owns anything,they just take temporary possession of it!You are all slaves to your illusions and your devils....


Agreed.

Unfortunately, it would appear to some that taking shots at each other is considered correct and, for a few, fun. Definitely, there is still bad blood out there which fuels angry posting... but trying to get a message across by swearing/attacking is not working, just backfiring.

Personally, I refrain from using inflammatory language and you should too. In the end, I guess, you might get used to this but I can assure you I don't.
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Re: You are very mixed up and not thinking straight!

Postby Paphitis » Sat May 01, 2010 11:00 am

cymart wrote:I started off this thread with something about Varosha and once again it has reverted to people slagging each other off with nasty accusations-I'm really sorry because I have met people on both sides during my stay here who I really liked and respect.All I can say is that this island has a very bad karma and until people are genuinely prepared to forgive each other for the past this viscious circle of misery will continue.......you can only lead a horse to the well but you cannot make it drink!
All this bickering about owning this and that is a reflection of this narrow thinking,unless you have discovered the secret of how to live this life for ever?
Of course the truth is that nobody really owns anything,they just take temporary possession of it!You are all slaves to your illusions and your devils....


At the moment we exercise 100% effective control over 63% of RoC territory. Under the Anan Plan, we would have exercised 50% effective control over 70% of RoC territory.

So basically, GC citizens of the RoC will have compromised Political Rights under the Annan Plan, Turkish Troops and Turkey's Guarantor Status would be maintained, freedom of movement and the right to own property would be restricted, and to top it all off, the RoC's EEZ rights will be ceded to the UK and Turkey!

You have absolutely no right to demand that GCs abandon all this, and lose everything just so that you can get your hands on your wife's Varoshia property, especially since the Annan Plan is far worse for the RoC and its citizens than the current Status Quo.

It is a no brainer cymart, and most of us have absolutely no idea what you're on about. We don't want 50% control over an additional 7% of RoC territory that was stolen from us in the first place. We will prefer to maintain what we have today until something better comes along.
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What really gets to me.....

Postby cymart » Sat May 01, 2010 11:31 am

Is that most of the politicians and supporters of such an unsustainable argument all drive around in luxury limousines and have very lucrative positions and wealth!Many of them do not even come from the north and in fact have done very well since 1974,largely because of the loss of the north!It is also apparent to many people from Famagusta and other refugees,especially in places like Paphos that we are ridiculed by them because they perceive that with the establishment we have in power today will make sure that things stay as they are for as long as possible!
They don't want us here,but they don't want us to go back either because they wrongly perceive that if the north re-opens their financial and political interests will be affected in a negative way!Don't pretend this is not true because many of us have heard it and only last week,a very pleasant young guy in the traffic police who was helping me about something else,put his foot right in it when he said that most people on this side do not want a solution to the Cyprus problem because they have grown used to the present situation after so long and many think they have benefited!When I asked why, he said that for example him and his family have no property in the north so how would they benefit?Of course he was very embarassed when I revealed where my wife is from etc!!
You can also find plenty of such people in the north,especially those from Turkey and a few Turkish Cypriots who were generously allocated property by the Denktash regime when they went to the north...
But as I have tried to make people understand so many times before,the situation does not stay the same and in fact with everyday that passes it is become worse in favour of the kind of people I have just described!
Cyprus,both north and south,is one of the most corrupt countries I have been to in Europe and the way things are going ,it will soon be as bad as Russia or the Ukraine,except with sunshine rather than vodka and snow!
Maybe that's why some Cypriots have this sick gloating and admiration for the Russian mafiosi who bring their money here and think they are people to be admired???
Famagusta people are well-aware that there is a resentment and jealousy against their town by some other Cypriots,particularly those who are peasants who became rich overnight jhere because it was well known for its progress in so many fields until 1974 and even after so many years,towns in the south have still not reached the cultural level it had,despite their building boom etc....
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What really gets to me.....

Postby cymart » Sat May 01, 2010 11:31 am

Is that most of the politicians and supporters of such an unsustainable argument all drive around in luxury limousines and have very lucrative positions and wealth!Many of them do not even come from the north and in fact have done very well since 1974,largely because of the loss of the north!It is also apparent to many people from Famagusta and other refugees,especially in places like Paphos that we are ridiculed by them because they perceive that with the establishment we have in power today will make sure that things stay as they are for as long as possible!
They don't want us here,but they don't want us to go back either because they wrongly perceive that if the north re-opens their financial and political interests will be affected in a negative way!Don't pretend this is not true because many of us have heard it and only last week,a very pleasant young guy in the traffic police who was helping me about something else,put his foot right in it when he said that most people on this side do not want a solution to the Cyprus problem because they have grown used to the present situation after so long and many think they have benefited!When I asked why, he said that for example him and his family have no property in the north so how would they benefit?Of course he was very embarassed when I revealed where my wife is from etc!!
You can also find plenty of such people in the north,especially those from Turkey and a few Turkish Cypriots who were generously allocated property by the Denktash regime when they went to the north...
But as I have tried to make people understand so many times before,the situation does not stay the same and in fact with everyday that passes it is become worse in favour of the kind of people I have just described!
Cyprus,both north and south,is one of the most corrupt countries I have been to in Europe and the way things are going ,it will soon be as bad as Russia or the Ukraine,except with sunshine rather than vodka and snow!
Maybe that's why some Cypriots have this sick gloating and admiration for the Russian mafiosi who bring their money here and think they are people to be admired???
Famagusta people are well-aware that there is a resentment and jealousy against their town by some other Cypriots,particularly those who are peasants who became rich overnight jhere because it was well known for its progress in so many fields until 1974 and even after so many years,towns in the south have still not reached the cultural level it had,despite their building boom etc....
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Re: What really gets to me.....

Postby YFred » Sat May 01, 2010 12:01 pm

cymart wrote:Is that most of the politicians and supporters of such an unsustainable argument all drive around in luxury limousines and have very lucrative positions and wealth!Many of them do not even come from the north and in fact have done very well since 1974,largely because of the loss of the north!It is also apparent to many people from Famagusta and other refugees,especially in places like Paphos that we are ridiculed by them because they perceive that with the establishment we have in power today will make sure that things stay as they are for as long as possible!
They don't want us here,but they don't want us to go back either because they wrongly perceive that if the north re-opens their financial and political interests will be affected in a negative way!Don't pretend this is not true because many of us have heard it and only last week,a very pleasant young guy in the traffic police who was helping me about something else,put his foot right in it when he said that most people on this side do not want a solution to the Cyprus problem because they have grown used to the present situation after so long and many think they have benefited!When I asked why, he said that for example him and his family have no property in the north so how would they benefit?Of course he was very embarassed when I revealed where my wife is from etc!!
You can also find plenty of such people in the north,especially those from Turkey and a few Turkish Cypriots who were generously allocated property by the Denktash regime when they went to the north...
But as I have tried to make people understand so many times before,the situation does not stay the same and in fact with everyday that passes it is become worse in favour of the kind of people I have just described!
Cyprus,both north and south,is one of the most corrupt countries I have been to in Europe and the way things are going ,it will soon be as bad as Russia or the Ukraine,except with sunshine rather than vodka and snow!
Maybe that's why some Cypriots have this sick gloating and admiration for the Russian mafiosi who bring their money here and think they are people to be admired???
Famagusta people are well-aware that there is a resentment and jealousy against their town by some other Cypriots,particularly those who are peasants who became rich overnight jhere because it was well known for its progress in so many fields until 1974 and even after so many years,towns in the south have still not reached the cultural level it had,despite their building boom etc....

How very true. Well said.
Strange how our southern cousins can see the wrongs in the north to minute detail but seem to be totally blind to what is going on in the south.
It is not easy living and seeing the realities while everybody around you is oblivious to them.
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Don't be so selfish!

Postby Paphitis » Sat May 01, 2010 12:04 pm

cymart wrote:Is that most of the politicians and supporters of such an unsustainable argument all drive around in luxury limousines and have very lucrative positions and wealth!


This is the same all over the world! What has this got to do with the Cyprus Problem?

Many of them do not even come from the north and in fact have done very well since 1974,largely because of the loss of the north!


Many of them don't come from the 'north' and some do!

I don't come from the 'north' either! My partner does, and has also lost property. What has this got to do with the Cyprus Problem?

It is also apparent to many people from Famagusta and other refugees,especially in places like Paphos that we are ridiculed by them because they perceive that with the establishment we have in power today will make sure that things stay as they are for as long as possible!


Most Paphites I know want a workable solution.

If the Varoshiotes never abandoned their city in the first place, then they wouldn't even be refugees. Your wife would still have her property.

They don't want us here,but they don't want us to go back either because they wrongly perceive that if the north re-opens their financial and political interests will be affected in a negative way!


I don't know of any Paphites that have financial considerations towards the liberation of Cyprus. They have security and political concerns on many things but ultimately, they want a workable solution!

Don't pretend this is not true because many of us have heard it and only last week,a very pleasant young guy in the traffic police who was helping me about something else,put his foot right in it when he said that most people on this side do not want a solution to the Cyprus problem because they have grown used to the present situation after so long and many think they have benefited!


You can't attribute what one Paphian Police Officer said to the entire Paphian population. This is quite offensive.

I could just as easily label all Varoshiotes as 'cowards' for abandoning their town in the first place. But that wouldn't be right!

When I asked why, he said that for example him and his family have no property in the north so how would they benefit?Of course he was very embarassed when I revealed where my wife is from etc!!


Just because non refugee Cypriots haven't lost property does not mean they don't want a solution. What they don't want is an Annan style "solution" and you need to respect that.

My partner also lost property. So what?

You can also find plenty of such people in the north,especially those from Turkey and a few Turkish Cypriots who were generously allocated property by the Denktash regime when they went to the north...


No one in the RoC was allocated TC property other for the purposes of accommodating homeless refugees that were ethnically cleansed. No one has benefited by selling off TC assets in the RoC, but this has occurred in the 'north'.

But as I have tried to make people understand so many times before,the situation does not stay the same and in fact with everyday that passes it is become worse in favour of the kind of people I have just described!


We will take our chances! With 100% control over 63% of RoC territory, we have far more to lose.

Cyprus,both north and south,is one of the most corrupt countries I have been to in Europe and the way things are going ,it will soon be as bad as Russia or the Ukraine,except with sunshine rather than vodka and snow!


Really? As far as I know, the RoC has the strongest economy within the OECD! It is shoulder to shoulder with Australia.

Maybe that's why some Cypriots have this sick gloating and admiration for the Russian mafiosi who bring their money here and think they are people to be admired???


Don't be stupid!

Your scare tactics are well known!

Famagusta people are well-aware that there is a resentment and jealousy against their town by some other Cypriots,particularly those who are peasants who became rich overnight jhere because it was well known for its progress in so many fields until 1974 and even after so many years,towns in the south have still not reached the cultural level it had,despite their building boom etc....


There is also massive disrespect against Varoshiotes because most of you behave like Spartan Warriors, and yet when it came down to the crunch, you all abandoned your homes and handed Varoshia to the Turks on a silver platter.

I can understand you wanting your property, but you won't get it at the expense of other Cypriots. So sit tight and behave in a manner that is to the benefit of all Cypriots instead of being so selfish!
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Re: Don't be so selfish!

Postby YFred » Sat May 01, 2010 12:13 pm

Paphitis wrote:
cymart wrote:Is that most of the politicians and supporters of such an unsustainable argument all drive around in luxury limousines and have very lucrative positions and wealth!


This is the same all over the world! What has this got to do with the Cyprus Problem?

Many of them do not even come from the north and in fact have done very well since 1974,largely because of the loss of the north!


Many of them don't come from the 'north' and some do!

I don't come from the 'north' either! My partner does, and has also lost property. What has this got to do with the Cyprus Problem?

It is also apparent to many people from Famagusta and other refugees,especially in places like Paphos that we are ridiculed by them because they perceive that with the establishment we have in power today will make sure that things stay as they are for as long as possible!


Most Paphites I know want a workable solution.

If the Varoshiotes never abandoned their city in the first place, then they wouldn't even be refugees. Your wife would still have her property.

They don't want us here,but they don't want us to go back either because they wrongly perceive that if the north re-opens their financial and political interests will be affected in a negative way!


I don't know of any Paphites that have financial considerations towards the liberation of Cyprus. They have security and political concerns on many things but ultimately, they want a workable solution!

Don't pretend this is not true because many of us have heard it and only last week,a very pleasant young guy in the traffic police who was helping me about something else,put his foot right in it when he said that most people on this side do not want a solution to the Cyprus problem because they have grown used to the present situation after so long and many think they have benefited!


You can't attribute what one Paphian Police Officer said to the entire Paphian population. This is quite offensive.

I could just as easily label all Varoshiotes as 'cowards' for abandoning their town in the first place. But that wouldn't be right!

When I asked why, he said that for example him and his family have no property in the north so how would they benefit?Of course he was very embarassed when I revealed where my wife is from etc!!


Just because non refugee Cypriots haven't lost property does not mean they don't want a solution. What they don't want is an Annan style "solution" and you need to respect that.

My partner also lost property. So what?

You can also find plenty of such people in the north,especially those from Turkey and a few Turkish Cypriots who were generously allocated property by the Denktash regime when they went to the north...


No one in the RoC was allocated TC property other for the purposes of accommodating homeless refugees that were ethnically cleansed. No one has benefited by selling off TC assets in the RoC, but this has occurred in the 'north'.

But as I have tried to make people understand so many times before,the situation does not stay the same and in fact with everyday that passes it is become worse in favour of the kind of people I have just described!


We will take our chances! With 100% control over 63% of RoC territory, we have far more to lose.

Cyprus,both north and south,is one of the most corrupt countries I have been to in Europe and the way things are going ,it will soon be as bad as Russia or the Ukraine,except with sunshine rather than vodka and snow!


Really? As far as I know, the RoC has the strongest economy within the OECD! It is shoulder to shoulder with Australia.

Maybe that's why some Cypriots have this sick gloating and admiration for the Russian mafiosi who bring their money here and think they are people to be admired???


Don't be stupid!

Your scare tactics are well known!

Famagusta people are well-aware that there is a resentment and jealousy against their town by some other Cypriots,particularly those who are peasants who became rich overnight jhere because it was well known for its progress in so many fields until 1974 and even after so many years,towns in the south have still not reached the cultural level it had,despite their building boom etc....


There is also massive disrespect against Varoshiotes because most of you behave like Spartan Warriors, and yet when it came down to the crunch, you all abandoned your homes and handed Varoshia to the Turks on a silver platter.

I can understand you wanting your property, but you won't get it at the expense of other Cypriots. So sit tight and behave in a manner that is to the benefit of all Cypriots instead of being so selfish!

Good god. So it was the cowardly varoshites that handed it on plate to the terks.
You arsewhore.
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Postby Paphitis » Sat May 01, 2010 12:19 pm

Before anymore Varoshiotes make cowardly defeatists posts against the interests of the RoC and the entire RoC population, they should first take a good long hard look at themselves because the Turks never took Varoshia like they did other parts of Cyprus. The Varoshiotes abandoned the city, thus gifting Varoshia to the Turkish Army! :roll:
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