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Postby apc2010 » Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:53 pm

georgios100 wrote:
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georgios100 wrote:What a disaster!

This kind of construction practices attracted British investment? I always thought the Brits were smarter than that... how wrong was I?


We usually are mate, but that scummy lot were blinded by promises of sun and sea and endless sex with ageing partners in the heat, led astray by cheap prices and cheaper lawyers, deceived by thieving estate agents, let down by insufficient cautions from the Partitionist GB Foreign and Colonial Office, .... and perhaps most of all, let down by their morals, picked up in the turkish sewer so many of them share.

(Apologies to those of the CarpetBuggers who were genuinely deceived, I know there are one or two that fall in to this cat)


Just by looking at the pics it would appear some of the houses were build on backfilled ground, totally unsuitable to sustain foundations, subject to erosion... surely the buyers must have been aware of that. Furthermore, routine inspection during the progress of work would certainly reveal the intentions of the "builder" early on & stop construction. Is there any building codes enforced up north? Any "city inspectors" visiting construction sites? No control whatsoever practiced... sounds like wild west to me.


Have you seen Peyia , houses in river beds, houses on top of each other , last year in the heavy rain a supporting wall fell into a pool...
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Postby georgios100 » Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:06 pm

apc2010 wrote:
georgios100 wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
georgios100 wrote:What a disaster!

This kind of construction practices attracted British investment? I always thought the Brits were smarter than that... how wrong was I?


We usually are mate, but that scummy lot were blinded by promises of sun and sea and endless sex with ageing partners in the heat, led astray by cheap prices and cheaper lawyers, deceived by thieving estate agents, let down by insufficient cautions from the Partitionist GB Foreign and Colonial Office, .... and perhaps most of all, let down by their morals, picked up in the turkish sewer so many of them share.

(Apologies to those of the CarpetBuggers who were genuinely deceived, I know there are one or two that fall in to this cat)


Just by looking at the pics it would appear some of the houses were build on backfilled ground, totally unsuitable to sustain foundations, subject to erosion... surely the buyers must have been aware of that. Furthermore, routine inspection during the progress of work would certainly reveal the intentions of the "builder" early on & stop construction. Is there any building codes enforced up north? Any "city inspectors" visiting construction sites? No control whatsoever practiced... sounds like wild west to me.


Have you seen Peyia , houses in river beds, houses on top of each other , last year in the heavy rain a supporting wall fell into a pool...


Thanks for the info. House builders in the south are not perfect either. My understanding is, due to numerous outstanding deficiencies in behalf of the builders, the title deeds are still not issued, till repairs are performed. Is that correct?
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Postby apc2010 » Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:08 pm

Title deeds is a seperate issue ...
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Postby Gasman » Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:12 pm

House builders in the south are not perfect either.


Indeed they are not.

The recent ruling that solicitors can now be sued for lack of care is a big step forward.
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Postby Gasman » Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:14 pm

Landmark Supreme Court ruling means lawyers can be sued for negligence
By Stefanos Evripidou
Published on April 24, 2010

THE SUPREME Court has ordered a Paphos-based lawyer to pay around €120,000 to his former clients, a British couple, in compensation for money lost over a property contract prepared over a decade ago.

It is believed to be the first time that a Cypriot lawyer has been found professionally negligent by the highest court in the land and made to compensate for the money lost by their client. This raises the prospect of more negligence cases being filed against lawyers in property cases, ringing alarm bells within the legal community. Until now, lawyers have largely avoided or directly refused to take on their colleagues in any negligence lawsuit in Cyprus.

To fight their negligence case, the British couple hired the legal services of father and son, Antonis and Nicholas Georghiades, who run a small firm in Nicosia, advising among other things on the acquisition of immoveable property in Cyprus.

According to the three-judge panel of the Supreme Court on Wednesday, the defendant, Paphos lawyer Nicos Papakleovoulou - their original legal adviser - was liable to compensate the couple for the money they lost as a result of his negligence.

In 1999, the British couple chose to sell their property in England and move permanently to Cyprus to buy and live in their “dream house”. In November that year, they decided to buy land in Kinousa village in Paphos from a contractor on which he agreed to build them a three-bedroom villa.

The couple went to the defendant Papakleovoulou to prepare the necessary contracts which were then signed. It later transpired that the property had been mortgaged twice, an interest had been registered on the property, while the contractor went bankrupt. The couple lost all the money they had invested in the property and the chances of getting any back from the contractor were minimal.

They decided to sue their lawyer for negligence in the Paphos district court and lost. They appealed to the Supreme Court, which ruled in favour of the claimants.

The top court ruled that “lawyers do not have immunity”, noting that a lawyer, like any professional, was judged based on the level of care and skill expected from the average professional. This level was “neither that of the very talented professional nor one who possesses limited qualities”.

The Supreme Court judges set out the basic duties of a lawyer when delivering their services outside of the courtroom. These include that the lawyer advises his client with care, brings to his attention any problems, any inherent dangers, warns him of them and protects his interests. Despite the fact there is no legal obligation to do so, prudent lawyers should also aim to receive all instructions in writing, especially in cases of immoveable property.

The appeals court highlighted that the main aim of any property case was to acquire the relevant title deed.

“In the case of purchasing land, the ultimate aim is to secure, either immediately or in a time agreed upon, the title deeds for his client,” said the ruling.

The judges noted that where there was no title deed that could be immediately transferred, as in this case, the lawyer’s duties become more complicated, requiring expert knowledge and actions, “which is why the majority of buyers of immoveable property correctly turn to lawyers from whom they expect protection of their interests”.

The court employed a textbook check list for lawyers working on property cases. “The first issue the lawyer is obliged to investigate is the legality of the title deed of the intended vendor and that there are no registered charges or other legal impediments which could affect in future the transfer to his client of a title free of any encumbrances.”

On top of the duty to check for any charges registered against a property, lawyers will now be judged in future lawsuits on whether they fulfilled their duty “to warn his client of the dangers emanating from the possible insolvency of the vendor”.

In this case, it was deemed that the defendant had not met his duties, showing professional negligence. As a result he was ordered to compensate his former clients in a manner that they found themselves in the same position they would be in had the lawyer fulfilled his duties.

The judges concluded that compensation amounted to the money the plaintiffs paid to the vendors, which they would not have paid had they received the correct legal advice, amounting to around €120,000, included in which was €2,152 charged by the lawyer for preparing the contracts.
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Postby georgios100 » Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:19 pm

Gasman wrote:
House builders in the south are not perfect either.


Indeed they are not.

The recent ruling that solicitors can now be sued for lack of care is a big step forward.


The Greek Cypriot parliament has some of these building issues up for discussion these days... may vote on approvals to move forward. I know a lot of home owners are waiting many years for solutions to long standing issues... really very frustrating situation indeed.
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Postby Gasman » Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:19 pm

Info about Cyprus houses getting washed away due to being built on 'landslide sites' full article here:

http://www.news.cyprus-property-buyers.com/2007/12/12/down-the-slippery-slope/id=00233

the natural forces that created Cyprus also left behind a legacy of problems. The most notable of these is unstable land in which landslides are common. In Cyprus, landslides are usually triggered by heavy rainfall, earthquakes, erosion, and human activity. Anyone travelling the island should visit Pissouri, Kinousa or Polemi where they will see the damage resulting from houses built on landslides.

The Cyprus Geological Survey Department (GSD) has mapped vulnerable landslide areas in Paphos District and to a lesser extent, those in Limassol.

Problematic Paphos villages include Agios Photios and Statos, Choletria, Theletra, Episkopi, Marathounda and Armou. Following devastating landslips at Agios Photios and Statos, the Government moved both villages to a new location. Choetria & Theletra villages were also relocated after suffering similar disasters.


And many UK homeowners have bought houses built on 'flood plains'. (Mind you, they usually get flooded and can be dried out - not washed away altogether).
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Postby georgios100 » Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:29 pm

Gasman wrote:Info about Cyprus houses getting washed away due to being built on 'landslide sites' full article here:

http://www.news.cyprus-property-buyers.com/2007/12/12/down-the-slippery-slope/id=00233

the natural forces that created Cyprus also left behind a legacy of problems. The most notable of these is unstable land in which landslides are common. In Cyprus, landslides are usually triggered by heavy rainfall, earthquakes, erosion, and human activity. Anyone travelling the island should visit Pissouri, Kinousa or Polemi where they will see the damage resulting from houses built on landslides.

The Cyprus Geological Survey Department (GSD) has mapped vulnerable landslide areas in Paphos District and to a lesser extent, those in Limassol.

Problematic Paphos villages include Agios Photios and Statos, Choletria, Theletra, Episkopi, Marathounda and Armou. Following devastating landslips at Agios Photios and Statos, the Government moved both villages to a new location. Choetria & Theletra villages were also relocated after suffering similar disasters.


And many UK homeowners have bought houses built on 'flood plains'. (Mind you, they usually get flooded and can be dried out - not washed away altogether).


Thanks for the link. A sad story really. The building department should wake up & step in to enforce the law. These so called "builders" should be held accountable to the full extent of the law to prevent others making the same mistakes. The protection of the consumer should be above all. Court decisions to apply retroactively, to punish the now bankrupted "builders" and set the example for the rest of them.
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Postby EricSeans » Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:29 pm

Gasman wrote:Info about Cyprus houses getting washed away due to being built on 'landslide sites' full article here:

http://www.news.cyprus-property-buyers.com/2007/12/12/down-the-slippery-slope/id=00233

the natural forces that created Cyprus also left behind a legacy of problems. The most notable of these is unstable land in which landslides are common. In Cyprus, landslides are usually triggered by heavy rainfall, earthquakes, erosion, and human activity. Anyone travelling the island should visit Pissouri, Kinousa or Polemi where they will see the damage resulting from houses built on landslides.

The Cyprus Geological Survey Department (GSD) has mapped vulnerable landslide areas in Paphos District and to a lesser extent, those in Limassol.

Problematic Paphos villages include Agios Photios and Statos, Choletria, Theletra, Episkopi, Marathounda and Armou. Following devastating landslips at Agios Photios and Statos, the Government moved both villages to a new location. Choetria & Theletra villages were also relocated after suffering similar disasters.


And many UK homeowners have bought houses built on 'flood plains'. (Mind you, they usually get flooded and can be dried out - not washed away altogether).


Gassy,

I came across a ghost village that had been abandoned about 10 years ago. Can't recall exactly where but possibly between Limassol and Pafos in the foothills. I spoke to a local bloke but there were comms probs. He seemed to be saying they had all moved out because the place was "finished" for them. The new village wasn't far away. Just wondered if it was one of the two mentioned above. The only other replaced ghost village I saw was Achna - obviously diffferent circumstances there.
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Postby Gasman » Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:33 pm

Hi Eric,

I've been to one up above Akrotiri. I cannot now remember the name of it but apparently it translated to 'The Highest Village'. There was just a refurbished Taverna and a couple of refurbished dwellings on the main strip.

The Taverna guy said it was a TC village and he had moved there from Nicosia on the understanding that if the original owner returned he would have to vacate and not get back any monies spent.

ALL the other buildings near them were just ruins.

I doubt it was flooded tho - on account of it being on very high land. I've got a photo somewhere - I will see if I can find it.
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