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Postby Paphitis » Thu May 06, 2010 2:36 pm

Get Real! wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:"All the facts I gave you early on in the thread"...have just been shot down in flames by Erolz3. This last year the TL and the Swiss Franc have stayed steady to each other.
QED
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One more time for dopehead…

What if the US was to issue a $1m dollar bill, called it the “new US dollar”, and requested that everyone measures their currency against that?

What will your “new Turkish Lira” then be worth let alone the old Turkish Lira?

That’s exactly what Turkey did to save herself from embarrassment!

So it is silly for anyone to brag that the NTL has “gained” or “lost” when it’s so worthless!

Do you now get it? :?


I wouldn't bother defending the EURO if I were you!

Soon the AUD will reach parity with the EURO and I will become very rich! 8)

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Postby kafenes » Thu May 06, 2010 2:39 pm

Get Real! wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:"All the facts I gave you early on in the thread"...have just been shot down in flames by Erolz3. This last year the TL and the Swiss Franc have stayed steady to each other.
QED
:lol:

One more time for dopehead…

What if the US was to issue a $1m dollar bill, called it the “new US dollar”, and requested that everyone measures their currency against that?

What will your “new Turkish Lira” then be worth let alone the old Turkish Lira?

That’s exactly what Turkey did to save herself from embarrassment!

So it is silly for anyone to brag that the NTL has “gained” or “lost” when it’s so worthless!

Do you now get it? :?


Just the same way they changed their name from Ottoman empire to Turkey so to rid of their crimes and say it wasn't us but the Ottomans who did that and in the same way they will probably change from Turkey to something like New Mongolia and blame the Turks for all their past crimes. And so it goes on.
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Postby vaughanwilliams » Thu May 06, 2010 2:54 pm

Get Real! wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:"All the facts I gave you early on in the thread"...have just been shot down in flames by Erolz3. This last year the TL and the Swiss Franc have stayed steady to each other.
QED
:lol:

One more time for dopehead…

What if the US was to issue a $1m dollar bill, called it the “new US dollar”, and requested that everyone measures their currency against that?

What will your “new Turkish Lira” then be worth let alone the old Turkish Lira?

That’s exactly what Turkey did to save herself from embarrassment!

So it is silly for anyone to brag that the NTL has “gained” or “lost” when it’s so worthless!

Do you now get it? :?


Knocking all the zero's off the currency was just cosmetic. The exchange rate stayed the same:
i.e.
1 pound was worth 2,500,000TL or 2.50YTL - same difference.
The two "currencies" ran together for a year when the "old" TL was dropped and the "new" TL joined the YTL. Since then, the YTL has been dropped and we are now using the "new" TL.

Banking isn't your strength so don't give up the day job. :roll:
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Postby Oracle » Thu May 06, 2010 3:03 pm

vaughanwilliams wrote:Knocking all the zero's off the currency was just cosmetic. The exchange rate stayed the same:
i.e.
1 pound was worth 2,500,000TL or 2.50YTL - same difference.
The two "currencies" ran together for a year when the "old" TL was dropped and the "new" TL joined the YTL. Since then, the YTL has been dropped and we are now using the "new" TL.

Banking isn't your strength so don't give up the day job. :roll:


Your obsession with money is quite disgusting!

How many more vulgar habits can you possibly display ...
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Postby Gasman » Thu May 06, 2010 3:22 pm

Your obsession with money is quite disgusting!


Yes - look what happened to the Greeks because of being obsessed with money - now stop it!
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Postby IMPOSTALIEDUS » Thu May 06, 2010 3:39 pm

i thought i would bring in a bit of common in here , looking back over the last 60 days the lira has been the strongest against all currancy , on the first of march one euro bought 2.10 tl on the 5 may it bought 1.96 tl.,,,,,against the uk pound 1 march a uk pound bought 2.38 tl and on the 5 may it bought 2.26tl and against the dollar, 1 march one dollar bought 1.56 tl and on the 5 may you could only get 1.48 ,,, so the tl is doing very well ,so much for no one invests in the lera
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Postby Kikapu » Thu May 06, 2010 4:28 pm

erolz3 wrote:
Kikapu wrote:.... the TL that has lost at least 20% of its value against major world currencies in the last 1 year, ....


When you simply make up things kikapu you can 'prove' anything.

Just for you info here are the exchange rates for the TL against a range of currencies from one year ago today and from today and the % difference.

United Kingdom Pounds 0.42436198, 0.432748513 101.9762686
United States Dollars 0.639113877, 0.652212788 102.0495426
Switzerland Francs 0.723125908, 0.725203846 100.2873549
South Korea Won 813.5350626, 744.321631 91.49226201
Singapore Dollars 0.940463044, 0.906993302 96.44114228
Euro 0.480158149, 0.50972143 106.1569883
Australia Dollars 0.856302294, 0.719238023 83.99347146
Japan Yen 63.01418486, 61.16463516 97.06486769

So when you say 'lost at least 20%' you actualy mean has not lost 20% on any currency. The biggest loss is against the Aus Dollar, itself debatable if it is a major currency and the loss is 16%. It also lost against the Korean won, singapore dollar and Japanese Yen. It has gained against the GBP, USD and Euro and remained almost the same vs the Swiss franc.

Actual facts can be such a downer to propaganda cant they kikapu ? Still a good propagandist never lets mere facts get in the way of their propaganda.

Source for all rates, current and historic http://www.xe.com/


Erolz,

Why don't you go through these graphs below and tell me how well the Turkish Lira has done against these major currencies since September of 2008. Don't get stuck on my 1 year statement. Time goes fast since the financial crises began. British Pound seems to be the only one that has not moved much against the TL, but even that seems to be changing direction at the moment. You also forget the inflation factor on the Turkish currency where it's purchasing power is reduced when you have around 10% inflation rate per year. Add that to the loss of direct currency exchange between those major world currencies, and you reach 20% loss value in the TL in no time. So, it is not about propaganda as you seem to suggest, but facts, that the TL can only go one direction, and that is down. The only break the TL may get now and then, is through default by other countries having a temporary economic problems, as these charts will show.

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Postby Gasman » Thu May 06, 2010 4:58 pm

You'd better hope that the TL doesn't do too well against other currencies. Or bang goes all those holidaymakers who are flocking there because it is so much cheaper than the Eurozone.

I'm only interested in the Euro and GBP. I really hope Greece doesn't drag the Euro into too much brown stuff.
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Postby IMPOSTALIEDUS » Thu May 06, 2010 5:36 pm

the last time the tl was really strong ,if i remember correctly it was about three years ago , the turkish goverment started selling the lira and buying dolars ,this action helped to drop the value of the lira ,making it easier to export thier goods . it will not be long before the euro goes out of the window and old currancies coming back in
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Postby erolz3 » Thu May 06, 2010 9:02 pm

Kikapu wrote:Don't get stuck on my 1 year statement.


No of course I should not 'get stuckl' on what you actualy said and measure that against real historical facts, I should just suck up the essence of you propaganda even when it does not match actual historical facts at all.

You simply use the oldest statacians trick of choosing a start point that best reflects the argument you are trying to make. Even then it does not support your original BS claims. As the old saying goes there are lies, dam lies and statistics. Or maybe that should read there are lies , damm lies and GC propgandists claims about the value of the TL vs other currencies past present and future ?

The claim that you made was bollocks. It remains bollocks despite your 'graphs'. That is simple fact.

Kikapu wrote:You also forget the inflation factor on the Turkish currency where it's purchasing power is reduced when you have around 10% inflation rate per year. Add that to the loss of direct currency exchange between those major world currencies, and you reach 20% loss value in the TL in no time.


You clearly do not have the slightest understanding of these matters do you ? How much more or less of a given good in a foreign currecny I can buy with TL over time, having factored out the exchange rate movments, is not related to the infaltion rate in Turkey, but to the inflation rate of the currency in which I am buying in. To say the that the TL has lost x% vs another currency in a given time period, but because inflation in turkey in that time has been y% the real loss in the value of TL currency relative to the other one is x+y% is simply more bullshit from you. It just does not work that way. The exchange rate between two currecnies at a given point in time IS the relative values of those currencies at that point in time. To then 'modify' this fact by some other amount, like the inflation rate in turkey and then say actually this new modified amount is the relative values of said currencies is the idea either of an idiot or a propagandist. I give you the benefit of the doubt and call you a propagandist but I could be wrong you could just be an idiot. In fact its probably the case that you are both and idiot and a progandist but that is just speculation on my part.

You also seem to totaly misunderstand inflation and what it means to a normal person 'in the street'. An inflation rate of 10% in a country that has a general economic growth rate of 10% also , means in real terms people in that country are no better or worse off than someone in a country with an inflation rate of 0% and a economic growth rate of 0%. However for investors, foreign or domestic, the former is a much more attractive location for their funds than the later.

Kikapu wrote:So, it is not about propaganda as you seem to suggest, but facts, that the TL can only go one direction, and that is down.


You start with bullshit, shown to be BS by hard historical undeniable facts. You then try and justify that plain BS with slighlty more 'sophisticated' BS but BS none the less and then revert back to the plain old BS again, all in an effort to show you are not a propagandist ? Its laughable.

If you were and are right that there is only one direction that the TL can go in , then you and anyone who believes you, should be the richest person around, having used this 'knowledged' to sell the TL short on the markets and made a guaranteed profit. You are not I would venture to suggested the richest person around because your 'knowledge' is just BS - shown by historical undeniable data.
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