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[Paphitis]

I think that it is not mess but needs explanation.

When I said that God can cure the cancer if he wants means it is something he can do and we find many examples around us. Whenever there is calamity in this world, it can be either punishment or test for people, it can be Punishment for bad people and test for good people. Only God alone knows the truth and only he can be judge between good and bad.

Was that an explanation ? So only god knows,and human beings can't know. Therefore, logically, human beings cannot know whether their illness is a punishment or a test. Human beings can't know what is a good action or a bad action nor can they know which of their actions is to be punished or tested. The jealous arbitrary god that you've just presented here is therefore an irrational god. Well done intermoon. where

When I said that there are something even God Almighty cannot do, for Example he cannot create another God because by definition God is un created therefore how can he create an uncreated, another example is that he cannot kick you out of his kingdom because whole universe belongs to him. He may evaporates you but you will be still in his Kingdom.

This is nonsense on stilts.

Concept of God in Islam not like other religions and Islam is not like other religion just a set of beliefs but it is a complete way of life.

What is the concept of god in islam, given that it is derived from judaism and christiantity ? Like them there are different concepts of god in islam and different traditions in allthose religions would and do claim that religion is "a complete way of life." This is not peculiar to Islam.

All religions teach to do good things but unlike other religions, Islam also teaches how achieve that state of goodness. For example all religions teach not to rob but Islam beside teaches not to rob also guide us what laws should be implemented in the society to stop it.

This is also nonsense. Islam more than christianity and judaism teaches obedience, that is submission, to god. They do not teach to do 'good things',they teach to fulfil the word of god (whatever that is). Go back to your paragraph 1, intermoon, where you said "Only God alone knows the truth and only he can be judge between good and bad." If that is the case then human beings can't knowingly do good (or bad).

I said only God knows the truth what is in the hearts of people and he is the one who can judge. You and me can know the truth but we can also make mistakes but God almighty cannot make mistake that is why I said he is only one who knows the truth. Don’t take the meaning literally.

You may know how to play with words but I am here to expose the truth not to play with words. No one of you has answered a single sciencetific facts found in the Quran. It was impossible any human being had known those facts 1400 years ago.

It is a misconception that Islam is a new religion and Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) was the founder of this religion, infact Islam is there since the time in memorial; Prophet Muhammad was not the founder but the last and final prophet of Islam. If you study Bible, you will not find any religion by the name of Christianity or Judaism but it was the names given by people to followers of Moses and Jesus Christ (Peace be upon them)
Muslim is a person who submits his will to God.
Jesus (pbuh) said, "not my will but thy will be done." i.e. Muslim.
John 5:30
Al-Qur'an 5:82


Both Jews and Christians misunderstood the position of Jesus Christ(Peace be upon him).
Find me a single statement of Jesus (PBUH) from the complete Bible where he himself says I am God and worship me but yet all Christians worship him.
In the other hands Jews are still waiting for Christ to come who already came in the world as Jesus(PBUH)
In short Jews believe all the prophets except Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them)
Christians believe all the Prophets except the last prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)
Muslims believe in all the prophets of Christians and Jews and the last and final Prophet who is also prophesized in the Old Testament and New Testament.
As I said human beings can make mistake to understand the difference between good and bad and you are the perfect example if you rejects Islam which is only acceptable way of life in the sight of God and Islam is a logical believe not a blind believe. There is no compulsion in religion. You should study all the religions from the root sources not by followers. I am a student of Islam and comparative religions, you can see that I have quoted a lot of verses from Bible in this forum and no Christian or Jew quoted a single verse from Bible. I assume most of the atheists in this forum are from Christian background. There must be no one who has tried to learn Islam from the right source but from anti Islamic websites.

Why don’t you give a try to learn about Islam? Don't be afraid that someone will brainwash you but may purify you

No thanks!

Atheists are pure enough and already know the truth!

[intermoon]

I think that it is not mess but needs explanation.

When I said that God can cure the cancer if he wants means it is something he can do and we find many examples around us. Whenever there is calamity in this world, it can be either punishment or test for people, it can be Punishment for bad people and test for good people. Only God alone knows the truth and only he can be judge between good and bad.

Was that an explanation ? So only god knows,and human beings can't know. Therefore, logically, human beings cannot know whether their illness is a punishment or a test. Human beings can't know what is a good action or a bad action nor can they know which of their actions is to be punished or tested. The jealous arbitrary god that you've just presented here is therefore an irrational god. Well done intermoon. where

When I said that there are something even God Almighty cannot do, for Example he cannot create another God because by definition God is un created therefore how can he create an uncreated, another example is that he cannot kick you out of his kingdom because whole universe belongs to him. He may evaporates you but you will be still in his Kingdom.

This is nonsense on stilts.

Concept of God in Islam not like other religions and Islam is not like other religion just a set of beliefs but it is a complete way of life.

What is the concept of god in islam, given that it is derived from judaism and christiantity ? Like them there are different concepts of god in islam and different traditions in allthose religions would and do claim that religion is "a complete way of life." This is not peculiar to Islam.

All religions teach to do good things but unlike other religions, Islam also teaches how achieve that state of goodness. For example all religions teach not to rob but Islam beside teaches not to rob also guide us what laws should be implemented in the society to stop it.

This is also nonsense. Islam more than christianity and judaism teaches obedience, that is submission, to god. They do not teach to do 'good things',they teach to fulfil the word of god (whatever that is). Go back to your paragraph 1, intermoon, where you said "Only God alone knows the truth and only he can be judge between good and bad." If that is the case then human beings can't knowingly do good (or bad).

I said only God knows the truth what is in the hearts of people and he is the one who can judge. You and me can know the truth but we can also make mistakes but God almighty cannot make mistake that is why I said he is only one who knows the truth. Don’t take the meaning literally.

You may know how to play with words but I am here to expose the truth not to play with words. No one of you has answered a single sciencetific facts found in the Quran. It was impossible any human being had known those facts 1400 years ago.

It is a misconception that Islam is a new religion and Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) was the founder of this religion, infact Islam is there since the time in memorial; Prophet Muhammad was not the founder but the last and final prophet of Islam. If you study Bible, you will not find any religion by the name of Christianity or Judaism but it was the names given by people to followers of Moses and Jesus Christ (Peace be upon them)
Muslim is a person who submits his will to God.
Jesus (pbuh) said, "not my will but thy will be done." i.e. Muslim.
John 5:30
Al-Qur'an 5:82


Both Jews and Christians misunderstood the position of Jesus Christ(Peace be upon him).
Find me a single statement of Jesus (PBUH) from the complete Bible where he himself says I am God and worship me but yet all Christians worship him.
In the other hands Jews are still waiting for Christ to come who already came in the world as Jesus(PBUH)
In short Jews believe all the prophets except Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them)
Christians believe all the Prophets except the last prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)
Muslims believe in all the prophets of Christians and Jews and the last and final Prophet who is also prophesized in the Old Testament and New Testament.
As I said human beings can make mistake to understand the difference between good and bad and you are the perfect example if you rejects Islam which is only acceptable way of life in the sight of God and Islam is a logical believe not a blind believe. There is no compulsion in religion. You should study all the religions from the root sources not by followers. I am a student of Islam and comparative religions, you can see that I have quoted a lot of verses from Bible in this forum and no Christian or Jew quoted a single verse from Bible. I assume most of the atheists in this forum are from Christian background. There must be no one who has tried to learn Islam from the right source but from anti Islamic websites.

Why don’t you give a try to learn about Islam? Don't be afraid that someone will brainwash you but may purify you

No thanks!

Atheists are pure enough and already know the truth!

You are Welcome Paphitis

There is no compulsion in Religion.

Bare witness that I have conveyed you the message to believe in One and only God and worship him alone and do not associate partner with him.

May God almighty guide us all to the right path.

[Paphitis]

I think that it is not mess but needs explanation.

When I said that God can cure the cancer if he wants means it is something he can do and we find many examples around us. Whenever there is calamity in this world, it can be either punishment or test for people, it can be Punishment for bad people and test for good people. Only God alone knows the truth and only he can be judge between good and bad.

Was that an explanation ? So only god knows,and human beings can't know. Therefore, logically, human beings cannot know whether their illness is a punishment or a test. Human beings can't know what is a good action or a bad action nor can they know which of their actions is to be punished or tested. The jealous arbitrary god that you've just presented here is therefore an irrational god. Well done intermoon. where

When I said that there are something even God Almighty cannot do, for Example he cannot create another God because by definition God is un created therefore how can he create an uncreated, another example is that he cannot kick you out of his kingdom because whole universe belongs to him. He may evaporates you but you will be still in his Kingdom.

This is nonsense on stilts.

Concept of God in Islam not like other religions and Islam is not like other religion just a set of beliefs but it is a complete way of life.

What is the concept of god in islam, given that it is derived from judaism and christiantity ? Like them there are different concepts of god in islam and different traditions in allthose religions would and do claim that religion is "a complete way of life." This is not peculiar to Islam.

All religions teach to do good things but unlike other religions, Islam also teaches how achieve that state of goodness. For example all religions teach not to rob but Islam beside teaches not to rob also guide us what laws should be implemented in the society to stop it.

This is also nonsense. Islam more than christianity and judaism teaches obedience, that is submission, to god. They do not teach to do 'good things',they teach to fulfil the word of god (whatever that is). Go back to your paragraph 1, intermoon, where you said "Only God alone knows the truth and only he can be judge between good and bad." If that is the case then human beings can't knowingly do good (or bad).

I said only God knows the truth what is in the hearts of people and he is the one who can judge. You and me can know the truth but we can also make mistakes but God almighty cannot make mistake that is why I said he is only one who knows the truth. Don’t take the meaning literally.

You may know how to play with words but I am here to expose the truth not to play with words. No one of you has answered a single sciencetific facts found in the Quran. It was impossible any human being had known those facts 1400 years ago.

It is a misconception that Islam is a new religion and Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) was the founder of this religion, infact Islam is there since the time in memorial; Prophet Muhammad was not the founder but the last and final prophet of Islam. If you study Bible, you will not find any religion by the name of Christianity or Judaism but it was the names given by people to followers of Moses and Jesus Christ (Peace be upon them)
Muslim is a person who submits his will to God.
Jesus (pbuh) said, "not my will but thy will be done." i.e. Muslim.
John 5:30
Al-Qur'an 5:82


Both Jews and Christians misunderstood the position of Jesus Christ(Peace be upon him).
Find me a single statement of Jesus (PBUH) from the complete Bible where he himself says I am God and worship me but yet all Christians worship him.
In the other hands Jews are still waiting for Christ to come who already came in the world as Jesus(PBUH)
In short Jews believe all the prophets except Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them)
Christians believe all the Prophets except the last prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)
Muslims believe in all the prophets of Christians and Jews and the last and final Prophet who is also prophesized in the Old Testament and New Testament.
As I said human beings can make mistake to understand the difference between good and bad and you are the perfect example if you rejects Islam which is only acceptable way of life in the sight of God and Islam is a logical believe not a blind believe. There is no compulsion in religion. You should study all the religions from the root sources not by followers. I am a student of Islam and comparative religions, you can see that I have quoted a lot of verses from Bible in this forum and no Christian or Jew quoted a single verse from Bible. I assume most of the atheists in this forum are from Christian background. There must be no one who has tried to learn Islam from the right source but from anti Islamic websites.

Why don’t you give a try to learn about Islam? Don't be afraid that someone will brainwash you but may purify you

No thanks!

Atheists are pure enough and already know the truth!

You are Welcome Paphitis

There is no compulsion in Religion.

Bare witness that I have conveyed you the message to believe in One and only God and worship him alone and do not associate partner with him.

May God almighty guide us all to the right path.

Intermoon, I can prove to you that "God" does not exist.

Do you promise to drop Islam if I point you to the path of righteous Atheism?

[intermoon]

The quran invalidates itself.

By applying some simple logic, If you believe the quran is the unerring word of God and you can find a single scientific error in it, then this renders the whole book invalid ...

The open post in this thread proves this and thus renders the whole of the quran invalid.

This post proves that no one has proved a single sciencetific error in the Quran therefore Quran is the word of God.

Do you want me to post some sciencetific errors from Bible which I don’t intend because I do not want to criticize other religions to hurt the feelings of Christians or Jews

[Paphitis]

The quran invalidates itself.

By applying some simple logic, If you believe the quran is the unerring word of God and you can find a single scientific error in it, then this renders the whole book invalid ...

The open post in this thread proves this and thus renders the whole of the quran invalid.

This post proves that no one has proved a single sciencetific error in the Quran therefore Quran is the word of God.

Do you want me to post some sciencetific errors from Bible which I don’t intend because I do not want to criticize other religions to hurt the feelings of Christians or Jews

I can prove to you that the Quran is entirely invalid, as well as the Bible and Old testament.

Intermoon, I have challenged you.

I can prove that "God" does not exist. If I show you the truth, will you drop Islam for righteous Atheism?

Will you join our growing Army and defeat these evil mythologies which control man through fear? Will you reject what is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully?"

[intermoon]

I think that it is not mess but needs explanation.

When I said that God can cure the cancer if he wants means it is something he can do and we find many examples around us. Whenever there is calamity in this world, it can be either punishment or test for people, it can be Punishment for bad people and test for good people. Only God alone knows the truth and only he can be judge between good and bad.

Was that an explanation ? So only god knows,and human beings can't know. Therefore, logically, human beings cannot know whether their illness is a punishment or a test. Human beings can't know what is a good action or a bad action nor can they know which of their actions is to be punished or tested. The jealous arbitrary god that you've just presented here is therefore an irrational god. Well done intermoon. where

When I said that there are something even God Almighty cannot do, for Example he cannot create another God because by definition God is un created therefore how can he create an uncreated, another example is that he cannot kick you out of his kingdom because whole universe belongs to him. He may evaporates you but you will be still in his Kingdom.

This is nonsense on stilts.

Concept of God in Islam not like other religions and Islam is not like other religion just a set of beliefs but it is a complete way of life.

What is the concept of god in islam, given that it is derived from judaism and christiantity ? Like them there are different concepts of god in islam and different traditions in allthose religions would and do claim that religion is "a complete way of life." This is not peculiar to Islam.

All religions teach to do good things but unlike other religions, Islam also teaches how achieve that state of goodness. For example all religions teach not to rob but Islam beside teaches not to rob also guide us what laws should be implemented in the society to stop it.

This is also nonsense. Islam more than christianity and judaism teaches obedience, that is submission, to god. They do not teach to do 'good things',they teach to fulfil the word of god (whatever that is). Go back to your paragraph 1, intermoon, where you said "Only God alone knows the truth and only he can be judge between good and bad." If that is the case then human beings can't knowingly do good (or bad).

I said only God knows the truth what is in the hearts of people and he is the one who can judge. You and me can know the truth but we can also make mistakes but God almighty cannot make mistake that is why I said he is only one who knows the truth. Don’t take the meaning literally.

You may know how to play with words but I am here to expose the truth not to play with words. No one of you has answered a single sciencetific facts found in the Quran. It was impossible any human being had known those facts 1400 years ago.

It is a misconception that Islam is a new religion and Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) was the founder of this religion, infact Islam is there since the time in memorial; Prophet Muhammad was not the founder but the last and final prophet of Islam. If you study Bible, you will not find any religion by the name of Christianity or Judaism but it was the names given by people to followers of Moses and Jesus Christ (Peace be upon them)
Muslim is a person who submits his will to God.
Jesus (pbuh) said, "not my will but thy will be done." i.e. Muslim.
John 5:30
Al-Qur'an 5:82


Both Jews and Christians misunderstood the position of Jesus Christ(Peace be upon him).
Find me a single statement of Jesus (PBUH) from the complete Bible where he himself says I am God and worship me but yet all Christians worship him.
In the other hands Jews are still waiting for Christ to come who already came in the world as Jesus(PBUH)
In short Jews believe all the prophets except Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them)
Christians believe all the Prophets except the last prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)
Muslims believe in all the prophets of Christians and Jews and the last and final Prophet who is also prophesized in the Old Testament and New Testament.
As I said human beings can make mistake to understand the difference between good and bad and you are the perfect example if you rejects Islam which is only acceptable way of life in the sight of God and Islam is a logical believe not a blind believe. There is no compulsion in religion. You should study all the religions from the root sources not by followers. I am a student of Islam and comparative religions, you can see that I have quoted a lot of verses from Bible in this forum and no Christian or Jew quoted a single verse from Bible. I assume most of the atheists in this forum are from Christian background. There must be no one who has tried to learn Islam from the right source but from anti Islamic websites.

Why don’t you give a try to learn about Islam? Don't be afraid that someone will brainwash you but may purify you

No thanks!

Atheists are pure enough and already know the truth!

You are Welcome Paphitis

There is no compulsion in Religion.

Bare witness that I have conveyed you the message to believe in One and only God and worship him alone and do not associate partner with him.

May God almighty guide us all to the right path.

Intermoon, I can prove to you that "God" does not exist.

Do you promise to drop Islam if I point you to the path of righteous Atheism?

Yes sure Paphitis

I always welcome others to correct me if I am wrong.

[intermoon]

[Paphitis]

I think that it is not mess but needs explanation.

When I said that God can cure the cancer if he wants means it is something he can do and we find many examples around us. Whenever there is calamity in this world, it can be either punishment or test for people, it can be Punishment for bad people and test for good people. Only God alone knows the truth and only he can be judge between good and bad.

Was that an explanation ? So only god knows,and human beings can't know. Therefore, logically, human beings cannot know whether their illness is a punishment or a test. Human beings can't know what is a good action or a bad action nor can they know which of their actions is to be punished or tested. The jealous arbitrary god that you've just presented here is therefore an irrational god. Well done intermoon. where

When I said that there are something even God Almighty cannot do, for Example he cannot create another God because by definition God is un created therefore how can he create an uncreated, another example is that he cannot kick you out of his kingdom because whole universe belongs to him. He may evaporates you but you will be still in his Kingdom.

This is nonsense on stilts.

Concept of God in Islam not like other religions and Islam is not like other religion just a set of beliefs but it is a complete way of life.

What is the concept of god in islam, given that it is derived from judaism and christiantity ? Like them there are different concepts of god in islam and different traditions in allthose religions would and do claim that religion is "a complete way of life." This is not peculiar to Islam.

All religions teach to do good things but unlike other religions, Islam also teaches how achieve that state of goodness. For example all religions teach not to rob but Islam beside teaches not to rob also guide us what laws should be implemented in the society to stop it.

This is also nonsense. Islam more than christianity and judaism teaches obedience, that is submission, to god. They do not teach to do 'good things',they teach to fulfil the word of god (whatever that is). Go back to your paragraph 1, intermoon, where you said "Only God alone knows the truth and only he can be judge between good and bad." If that is the case then human beings can't knowingly do good (or bad).

I said only God knows the truth what is in the hearts of people and he is the one who can judge. You and me can know the truth but we can also make mistakes but God almighty cannot make mistake that is why I said he is only one who knows the truth. Don’t take the meaning literally.

You may know how to play with words but I am here to expose the truth not to play with words. No one of you has answered a single sciencetific facts found in the Quran. It was impossible any human being had known those facts 1400 years ago.

It is a misconception that Islam is a new religion and Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) was the founder of this religion, infact Islam is there since the time in memorial; Prophet Muhammad was not the founder but the last and final prophet of Islam. If you study Bible, you will not find any religion by the name of Christianity or Judaism but it was the names given by people to followers of Moses and Jesus Christ (Peace be upon them)
Muslim is a person who submits his will to God.
Jesus (pbuh) said, "not my will but thy will be done." i.e. Muslim.
John 5:30
Al-Qur'an 5:82


Both Jews and Christians misunderstood the position of Jesus Christ(Peace be upon him).
Find me a single statement of Jesus (PBUH) from the complete Bible where he himself says I am God and worship me but yet all Christians worship him.
In the other hands Jews are still waiting for Christ to come who already came in the world as Jesus(PBUH)
In short Jews believe all the prophets except Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them)
Christians believe all the Prophets except the last prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)
Muslims believe in all the prophets of Christians and Jews and the last and final Prophet who is also prophesized in the Old Testament and New Testament.
As I said human beings can make mistake to understand the difference between good and bad and you are the perfect example if you rejects Islam which is only acceptable way of life in the sight of God and Islam is a logical believe not a blind believe. There is no compulsion in religion. You should study all the religions from the root sources not by followers. I am a student of Islam and comparative religions, you can see that I have quoted a lot of verses from Bible in this forum and no Christian or Jew quoted a single verse from Bible. I assume most of the atheists in this forum are from Christian background. There must be no one who has tried to learn Islam from the right source but from anti Islamic websites.

Why don’t you give a try to learn about Islam? Don't be afraid that someone will brainwash you but may purify you

No thanks!

Atheists are pure enough and already know the truth!

You are Welcome Paphitis

There is no compulsion in Religion.

Bare witness that I have conveyed you the message to believe in One and only God and worship him alone and do not associate partner with him.

May God almighty guide us all to the right path.

Intermoon, I can prove to you that "God" does not exist.

Do you promise to drop Islam if I point you to the path of righteous Atheism?

Yes sure Paphitis

I always welcome others to correct me if I am wrong.

I am pleased for you Intermoon. Soon you will come to understand how wrong you have been all along.

Just be patient and I will lead you to the right path!

[intermoon]

[cyprusgrump]

Why don’t you give a try to learn about Islam? Don't be afraid that someone will brainwash you but may purify you

Strangely you and I are very similar!

We were both born atheists - neither of us knew 'god' or the existence of science or an afterlife or anything other than that which surrounded us...

Yet those which brought us into the world taught us everything we know and at some point introduced us to religion...

Be honest... apart from what hast been taught to you there is no proof of the existence of any form of 'god'...?

You have chosen to believe everything that was told to you - about god and the creation of the universe...

At some point I started to question the things that were being taught to me... When you question and examine things you begin to see that there are other ways... other reasons for the things around you...

Having questioned and examined and seen the scientific evidence I can see there is no 'god' just science... sometimes just shit... you live... you do your best... you die... sometimes life gives you a good set of cards and sometimes you suffer...

If you wish to believe that there is a 'god' that controls you, plans your life. looks after you when you are dead I have no problem with that... I believe that science and experience proves your beliefs to be wrong but I don't begrudge you your belief or have any desire to change what you think...

It is strange (to me) that only god freaks like yourself feel the need to preach to non believers (like me)... those that have evaluated the science seem happy in their understanding of their place in the world...

I really feel sorry for you...