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[cyprusgrump]

A simplified diagrammatic representation of a portion of the universe…

If it was possible to have a Google Earth like representation of the universe and we were to zoom in by a magnitude of one trillion to the relevant section so as to center planet Earth, this is what it would look like…

NB: The black area is a miniscule portion of the universe and the white area is us! You can click on your zoom button repeatedly to take a better look!

So god did all that but can't cure cancer...?

Bit of an idiot if you ask me...

Is it any wonder God hasn’t come here to perform a couple of microscopic miracles to impress the earthlings… he can’t find the frickin place!

Didn't he invent Sat Nav as well then...?

[intermoon]

Why doesn't he do something spectacular - like curing cancer for instance?

What could possibly be more spectacular than all the things that are happening all over the universe at any given moment, that we unfortunately can't see with the naked eye because we're so small and pitiful…

I presume he must have created cancer on an off day or something? perhaps he did it late at night when he was tired or spilt a glass of wine on his plans or something?

Cancer cells are part of the eco-package of this planet, and for them to be here they must have a valid purpose.

I mean, surely, if you were creating the universe and all the amazing and wonderful creatures in it you wouldn't think "I know, I'll add cancer for a bit of fun so millions of them can die a prolonged and agonising death - just for a laugh"....

You assume Cancer cells are bad because you only associate them with human death but what makes you think humans are meant to live forever or that these cells have no other function?

I'm sure the cells have a purpose - mostly a slow agonising death for millions....

I wish I'd known that god has a sense of humour when my mum was dying of cancer - it would have been a great comfort to her I'm sure...

I am sorry to hear about you Mother.

If God wants, he can cure the cancer also and you will find many examples in the world that people were cured after they were diagnosed of cancer. There is treatment of every disease except death. Science has not discovered yet but may be in future there will cure for cancer even in the last stages.

But we have to remember that every soul shall taste death. There can be different reasons of death but we all will die one day to return to Our Creator.

Some times people die without any disease like my Father who woke up in the morning and went for walk and came back home, had breakfast with his own hands and Laid down on the bed and Passed away without complaining of any pain then I learnt the lesson that it is not necessary to have reason for death but when the time approaches, People die therefore we should be always ready.

Our bodies are not perfect to live forever as they are designed to live just for short time period but after death there is life forever, that is why there are lot of diseases which some time cause death which is the destination for every living creature in this world.

This is another sign from our Creator to believe in him and obey him to pass the test. Choice is yours.

Do you know that there are some things that even God cannot do and there are some things that God let them happen to test us?
May God have Peace on your Mother

[denizaksulu]

Why doesn't he do something spectacular - like curing cancer for instance?

What could possibly be more spectacular than all the things that are happening all over the universe at any given moment, that we unfortunately can't see with the naked eye because we're so small and pitiful…

I presume he must have created cancer on an off day or something? perhaps he did it late at night when he was tired or spilt a glass of wine on his plans or something?

Cancer cells are part of the eco-package of this planet, and for them to be here they must have a valid purpose.

I mean, surely, if you were creating the universe and all the amazing and wonderful creatures in it you wouldn't think "I know, I'll add cancer for a bit of fun so millions of them can die a prolonged and agonising death - just for a laugh"....

You assume Cancer cells are bad because you only associate them with human death but what makes you think humans are meant to live forever or that these cells have no other function?

I'm sure the cells have a purpose - mostly a slow agonising death for millions....

I wish I'd known that god has a sense of humour when my mum was dying of cancer - it would have been a great comfort to her I'm sure...

I am sorry to hear about you Mother.

If God wants, he can cure the cancer also and you will find many examples in the world that people were cured after they were diagnosed of cancer. There is treatment of every disease except death. Science has not discovered yet but may be in future there will cure for cancer even in the last stages.

But we have to remember that every soul shall taste death. There can be different reasons of death but we all will die one day to return to Our Creator.

Some times people die without any disease like my Father who woke up in the morning and went for walk and came back home, had breakfast with his own hands and Laid down on the bed and Passed away without complaining of any pain then I learnt the lesson that it is not necessary to have reason for death but when the time approaches, People die therefore we should be always ready.

Our bodies are not perfect to live forever as they are designed to live just for short time period but after death there is life forever, that is why there are lot of diseases which some time cause death which is the destination for every living creature in this world.

This is another sign from our Creator to believe in him and obey him to pass the test. Choice is yours.

Do you know that there are some things that even God cannot do and there are some things that God let them happen to test us?
May God have Peace on your Mother

If it was Gods will that we die of cancer, who are we poor immortals to find cure for it. Or is that Gods will to? BTW, death is not a disease.

[cyprusgrump]

Why doesn't he do something spectacular - like curing cancer for instance?

What could possibly be more spectacular than all the things that are happening all over the universe at any given moment, that we unfortunately can't see with the naked eye because we're so small and pitiful…

I presume he must have created cancer on an off day or something? perhaps he did it late at night when he was tired or spilt a glass of wine on his plans or something?

Cancer cells are part of the eco-package of this planet, and for them to be here they must have a valid purpose.

I mean, surely, if you were creating the universe and all the amazing and wonderful creatures in it you wouldn't think "I know, I'll add cancer for a bit of fun so millions of them can die a prolonged and agonising death - just for a laugh"....

You assume Cancer cells are bad because you only associate them with human death but what makes you think humans are meant to live forever or that these cells have no other function?

I'm sure the cells have a purpose - mostly a slow agonising death for millions....

I wish I'd known that god has a sense of humour when my mum was dying of cancer - it would have been a great comfort to her I'm sure...

I am sorry to hear about you Mother.

If God wants, he can cure the cancer also and you will find many examples in the world that people were cured after they were diagnosed of cancer. There is treatment of every disease except death. Science has not discovered yet but may be in future there will cure for cancer even in the last stages.

But we have to remember that every soul shall taste death. There can be different reasons of death but we all will die one day to return to Our Creator.

Some times people die without any disease like my Father who woke up in the morning and went for walk and came back home, had breakfast with his own hands and Laid down on the bed and Passed away without complaining of any pain then I learnt the lesson that it is not necessary to have reason for death but when the time approaches, People die therefore we should be always ready.

Our bodies are not perfect to live forever as they are designed to live just for short time period but after death there is life forever, that is why there are lot of diseases which some time cause death which is the destination for every living creature in this world.

This is another sign from our Creator to believe in him and obey him to pass the test. Choice is yours.

Do you know that there are some things that even God cannot do and there are some things that God let them happen to test us?
May God have Peace on your Mother

You said: -

If God wants, he can cure the cancer also and you will find many examples in the world that people were cured after they were diagnosed of cancer.

Then you said: -

Do you know that there are some things that even God cannot do and there are some things that God let them happen to test us?

So god created everything, decided a painful, agonising death by cancer would be good for many and can or cannot cure it depending on which sentence I choose to read of yours...?

It is all a bit of a mess isn't it...?

[intermoon]

Why doesn't he do something spectacular - like curing cancer for instance?

What could possibly be more spectacular than all the things that are happening all over the universe at any given moment, that we unfortunately can't see with the naked eye because we're so small and pitiful…

I presume he must have created cancer on an off day or something? perhaps he did it late at night when he was tired or spilt a glass of wine on his plans or something?

Cancer cells are part of the eco-package of this planet, and for them to be here they must have a valid purpose.

I mean, surely, if you were creating the universe and all the amazing and wonderful creatures in it you wouldn't think "I know, I'll add cancer for a bit of fun so millions of them can die a prolonged and agonising death - just for a laugh"....

You assume Cancer cells are bad because you only associate them with human death but what makes you think humans are meant to live forever or that these cells have no other function?

I'm sure the cells have a purpose - mostly a slow agonising death for millions....

I wish I'd known that god has a sense of humour when my mum was dying of cancer - it would have been a great comfort to her I'm sure...

I am sorry to hear about you Mother.

If God wants, he can cure the cancer also and you will find many examples in the world that people were cured after they were diagnosed of cancer. There is treatment of every disease except death. Science has not discovered yet but may be in future there will cure for cancer even in the last stages.

But we have to remember that every soul shall taste death. There can be different reasons of death but we all will die one day to return to Our Creator.

Some times people die without any disease like my Father who woke up in the morning and went for walk and came back home, had breakfast with his own hands and Laid down on the bed and Passed away without complaining of any pain then I learnt the lesson that it is not necessary to have reason for death but when the time approaches, People die therefore we should be always ready.

Our bodies are not perfect to live forever as they are designed to live just for short time period but after death there is life forever, that is why there are lot of diseases which some time cause death which is the destination for every living creature in this world.

This is another sign from our Creator to believe in him and obey him to pass the test. Choice is yours.

Do you know that there are some things that even God cannot do and there are some things that God let them happen to test us?
May God have Peace on your Mother

You said: -

If God wants, he can cure the cancer also and you will find many examples in the world that people were cured after they were diagnosed of cancer.

Then you said: -

Do you know that there are some things that even God cannot do and there are some things that God let them happen to test us?

So god created everything, decided a painful, agonising death by cancer would be good for many and can or cannot cure it depending on which sentence I choose to read of yours...?

It is all a bit of a mess isn't it...?

I think that it is not mess but needs explanation.

When I said that God can cure the cancer if he wants means it is something he can do and we find many examples around us. Whenever there is calamity in this world, it can be either punishment or test for people, it can be Punishment for bad people and test for good people. Only God alone knows the truth and only he can be judge between good and bad.

When I said that there are something even God Almighty cannot do, for Example he cannot create another God because by definition God is un created therefore how can he create an uncreated, another example is that he cannot kick you out of his kingdom because whole universe belongs to him. He may evaporates you but you will be still in his Kingdom.

Concept of God in Islam not like other religions and Islam is not like other religion just a set of beliefs but it is a complete way of life.

All religions teach to do good things but unlike other religions, Islam also teaches how achieve that state of goodness. For example all religions teach not to rob but Islam beside teaches not to rob also guide us what laws should be implemented in the society to stop it.
Have a good rest of the day!

[CopperLine]

I think that it is not mess but needs explanation.

When I said that God can cure the cancer if he wants means it is something he can do and we find many examples around us. Whenever there is calamity in this world, it can be either punishment or test for people, it can be Punishment for bad people and test for good people. Only God alone knows the truth and only he can be judge between good and bad.

Was that an explanation ? So only god knows,and human beings can't know. Therefore, logically, human beings cannot know whether their illness is a punishment or a test. Human beings can't know what is a good action or a bad action nor can they know which of their actions is to be punished or tested. The jealous arbitrary god that you've just presented here is therefore an irrational god. Well done intermoon. where

When I said that there are something even God Almighty cannot do, for Example he cannot create another God because by definition God is un created therefore how can he create an uncreated, another example is that he cannot kick you out of his kingdom because whole universe belongs to him. He may evaporates you but you will be still in his Kingdom.

This is nonsense on stilts.

Concept of God in Islam not like other religions and Islam is not like other religion just a set of beliefs but it is a complete way of life.

What is the concept of god in islam, given that it is derived from judaism and christiantity ? Like them there are different concepts of god in islam and different traditions in allthose religions would and do claim that religion is "a complete way of life." This is not peculiar to Islam.

All religions teach to do good things but unlike other religions, Islam also teaches how achieve that state of goodness. For example all religions teach not to rob but Islam beside teaches not to rob also guide us what laws should be implemented in the society to stop it.

This is also nonsense. Islam more than christianity and judaism teaches obedience, that is submission, to god. They do not teach to do 'good things',they teach to fulfil the word of god (whatever that is). Go back to your paragraph 1, intermoon, where you said "Only God alone knows the truth and only he can be judge between good and bad." If that is the case then human beings can't knowingly do good (or bad).

[intermoon]

I think that it is not mess but needs explanation.

When I said that God can cure the cancer if he wants means it is something he can do and we find many examples around us. Whenever there is calamity in this world, it can be either punishment or test for people, it can be Punishment for bad people and test for good people. Only God alone knows the truth and only he can be judge between good and bad.

Was that an explanation ? So only god knows,and human beings can't know. Therefore, logically, human beings cannot know whether their illness is a punishment or a test. Human beings can't know what is a good action or a bad action nor can they know which of their actions is to be punished or tested. The jealous arbitrary god that you've just presented here is therefore an irrational god. Well done intermoon. where

When I said that there are something even God Almighty cannot do, for Example he cannot create another God because by definition God is un created therefore how can he create an uncreated, another example is that he cannot kick you out of his kingdom because whole universe belongs to him. He may evaporates you but you will be still in his Kingdom.

This is nonsense on stilts.

Concept of God in Islam not like other religions and Islam is not like other religion just a set of beliefs but it is a complete way of life.

What is the concept of god in islam, given that it is derived from judaism and christiantity ? Like them there are different concepts of god in islam and different traditions in allthose religions would and do claim that religion is "a complete way of life." This is not peculiar to Islam.

All religions teach to do good things but unlike other religions, Islam also teaches how achieve that state of goodness. For example all religions teach not to rob but Islam beside teaches not to rob also guide us what laws should be implemented in the society to stop it.

This is also nonsense. Islam more than christianity and judaism teaches obedience, that is submission, to god. They do not teach to do 'good things',they teach to fulfil the word of god (whatever that is). Go back to your paragraph 1, intermoon, where you said "Only God alone knows the truth and only he can be judge between good and bad." If that is the case then human beings can't knowingly do good (or bad).

I said only God knows the truth what is in the hearts of people and he is the one who can judge. You and me can know the truth but we can also make mistakes but God almighty cannot make mistake that is why I said he is only one who knows the truth. Don’t take the meaning literally.

You may know how to play with words but I am here to expose the truth not to play with words. No one of you has answered a single sciencetific facts found in the Quran. It was impossible any human being had known those facts 1400 years ago.

It is a misconception that Islam is a new religion and Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) was the founder of this religion, infact Islam is there since the time in memorial; Prophet Muhammad was not the founder but the last and final prophet of Islam. If you study Bible, you will not find any religion by the name of Christianity or Judaism but it was the names given by people to followers of Moses and Jesus Christ (Peace be upon them)
Muslim is a person who submits his will to God.
Jesus (pbuh) said, "not my will but thy will be done." i.e. Muslim.
John 5:30
Al-Qur'an 5:82


Both Jews and Christians misunderstood the position of Jesus Christ(Peace be upon him).
Find me a single statement of Jesus (PBUH) from the complete Bible where he himself says I am God and worship me but yet all Christians worship him.
In the other hands Jews are still waiting for Christ to come who already came in the world as Jesus(PBUH)
In short Jews believe all the prophets except Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them)
Christians believe all the Prophets except the last prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)
Muslims believe in all the prophets of Christians and Jews and the last and final Prophet who is also prophesized in the Old Testament and New Testament.
As I said human beings can make mistake to understand the difference between good and bad and you are the perfect example if you rejects Islam which is only acceptable way of life in the sight of God and Islam is a logical believe not a blind believe. There is no compulsion in religion. You should study all the religions from the root sources not by followers. I am a student of Islam and comparative religions, you can see that I have quoted a lot of verses from Bible in this forum and no Christian or Jew quoted a single verse from Bible. I assume most of the atheists in this forum are from Christian background. There must be no one who has tried to learn Islam from the right source but from anti Islamic websites.

Why don’t you give a try to learn about Islam? Don't be afraid that someone will brainwash you but may purify you

[Me Ed]

The quran invalidates itself.

By applying some simple logic, If you believe the quran is the unerring word of God and you can find a single scientific error in it, then this renders the whole book invalid ...

The open post in this thread proves this and thus renders the whole of the quran invalid.

[repulsewarrior]

...by the same logic, the Bible and Torah are also invalid.

...big difference between Religions and Faith.

...Love is Grace, Religions preach

[CopperLine]

There are different arguments against the existence of god, broadly speaking those that come from outside the given religion and those that come from within the given religion. Intermoon won't even consider those that come from outside the religion of Islam because he assumes that Islam is true (after all, he thinks, there is no god but allah).

But intermoon can't even take the first step from an external critique to an internal affirmation. Contradiction number 1 :

"As I said human beings can make mistake to understand the difference between good and bad and you are the perfect example if you rejects Islam which is only acceptable way of life in the sight of God and Islam is a logical believe not a blind believe." If human beings can make mistakes (I agree) then it is a logical possibility that they can make mistakes as to (a) whether a god exists, (b) how they might properly identify the existence of god, and (c) which is the true god. That is a lot of room for mistakes. Add to this that intermoon tells us that human beings can't know the truth, only god can, and you have a guaranteed recipe for human beings simply being incapable of even identifying the right god.

There's only one way out for intermoon and his fellow obscurantists, he has to stop people asking these basic question and accept on faith i.e, without evidence and without argument,that god exists and that there is only one god, allah. In other words it is only the preservation of ignorance that can hope to preserve religion.