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Postby Get Real! » Sat May 08, 2010 9:45 am

cyprusgrump wrote:This thread is about proving god exists...

Since it is in question why can't god prove he exists?

Why can't he do something that would convince non-non-believers like myself?

It keeps going over your head but, the presence of the universe is 100% ROCK SOLID EVIDENCE of the existence of God!

That you and countless other fools, choose to ignore the mother of all miracles, and are looking for petty terrestrial trickery to be convinced of the existence of God, has more to do with an intellectual shortcoming.
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Postby Get Real! » Sat May 08, 2010 9:53 am

cyprusgrump wrote:Why doesn't he do something spectacular - like curing cancer for instance?

What could possibly be more spectacular than all the things that are happening all over the universe at any given moment, that we unfortunately can't see with the naked eye because we're so small and pitiful…

I presume he must have created cancer on an off day or something? perhaps he did it late at night when he was tired or spilt a glass of wine on his plans or something?

Cancer cells are part of the eco-package of this planet, and for them to be here they must have a valid purpose.

I mean, surely, if you were creating the universe and all the amazing and wonderful creatures in it you wouldn't think "I know, I'll add cancer for a bit of fun so millions of them can die a prolonged and agonising death - just for a laugh"....

You assume Cancer cells are bad because you only associate them with human death but what makes you think humans are meant to live forever or that these cells have no other function?
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Postby cyprusgrump » Sat May 08, 2010 10:04 am

Get Real! wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:This thread is about proving god exists...

Since it is in question why can't god prove he exists?

Why can't he do something that would convince non-non-believers like myself?

It keeps going over your head but, the presence of the universe is 100% ROCK SOLID EVIDENCE of the existence of God!

That you and countless other fools, choose to ignore the mother of all miracles, and are looking for petty terrestrial trickery to be convinced of the existence of God, has more to do with an intellectual shortcoming.


All these 'miracles' can easily be explained by science... :roll:
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Postby Oracle » Sat May 08, 2010 10:05 am

Unfortunately, cancer cells do live forever (relatively speaking). It is the healthy cells which are mortal.
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Postby cyprusgrump » Sat May 08, 2010 10:07 am

Get Real! wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:Why doesn't he do something spectacular - like curing cancer for instance?

What could possibly be more spectacular than all the things that are happening all over the universe at any given moment, that we unfortunately can't see with the naked eye because we're so small and pitiful…

I presume he must have created cancer on an off day or something? perhaps he did it late at night when he was tired or spilt a glass of wine on his plans or something?

Cancer cells are part of the eco-package of this planet, and for them to be here they must have a valid purpose.

I mean, surely, if you were creating the universe and all the amazing and wonderful creatures in it you wouldn't think "I know, I'll add cancer for a bit of fun so millions of them can die a prolonged and agonising death - just for a laugh"....

You assume Cancer cells are bad because you only associate them with human death but what makes you think humans are meant to live forever or that these cells have no other function?


I'm sure the cells have a purpose - mostly a slow agonising death for millions.... :roll:

I wish I'd known that god has a sense of humour when my mum was dying of cancer - it would have been a great comfort to her I'm sure...
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Postby Oracle » Sat May 08, 2010 10:12 am

Get Real! wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:This thread is about proving god exists...

Since it is in question why can't god prove he exists?

Why can't he do something that would convince non-non-believers like myself?

It keeps going over your head but, the presence of the universe is 100% ROCK SOLID EVIDENCE of the existence of God!

That you and countless other fools, choose to ignore the mother of all miracles, and are looking for petty terrestrial trickery to be convinced of the existence of God, has more to do with an intellectual shortcoming.


Just because you see and appreciate the beauty of the universe, it does not mean it was created for your pleasure by a God.

Some live and die and never see this beauty, only its pain. Is God (if he exists) any less real for them in that case?

God (if he exists) cannot exist only for some and not others. God cannot exist to be good to some and not others. The presence or absence of a God is not dependent on our feelings. You cannot use your perception of the universe as evidence that God exists. Your feelings are fallible.

Your feelings evolved to make sense of the universe as it is, not the other way around.
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Postby Get Real! » Sat May 08, 2010 10:15 am

cyprusgrump wrote:All these 'miracles' can easily be explained by science... :roll:

Earthly science has seen next to nothing! :lol: We’ll be lucky to have witnessed 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000001% of what’s happening out there! :roll:

But even if we had witnessed every possible occurrence in the universe, would that undermine how spectacular and miraculous it is? That's strange logic… :?
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Postby Oracle » Sat May 08, 2010 10:22 am

Get Real! wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:All these 'miracles' can easily be explained by science... :roll:

Earthly science has seen next to nothing! :lol: We’ll be lucky to have witnessed 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000001% of what’s happening out there! :roll:

But even if we had witnessed every possible occurrence in the universe, would that undermine how spectacular and miraculous it is? That's strange logic… :?


This isn't because of the limitations of science.

You can never hope to know even a fraction of what science has already discovered let alone the more there is to find. So it's your own limited capacity which is at fault for how little you are able to know and not science's ability to unravel the rest of the universe.
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Postby denizaksulu » Sat May 08, 2010 10:26 am

Oracle wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:All these 'miracles' can easily be explained by science... :roll:

Earthly science has seen next to nothing! :lol: We’ll be lucky to have witnessed 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000001% of what’s happening out there! :roll:

But even if we had witnessed every possible occurrence in the universe, would that undermine how spectacular and miraculous it is? That's strange logic… :?


This isn't because of the limitations of science.

You can never hope to know even a fraction of what science has already discovered let alone the more there is to find. So it's your own limited capacity which is at fault for how little you are able to know and not science's ability to unravel the rest of the universe.



Selam Oracle. Mar God have mercy upon our soles. :lol:
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Postby Oracle » Sat May 08, 2010 10:31 am

denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:All these 'miracles' can easily be explained by science... :roll:

Earthly science has seen next to nothing! :lol: We’ll be lucky to have witnessed 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000001% of what’s happening out there! :roll:

But even if we had witnessed every possible occurrence in the universe, would that undermine how spectacular and miraculous it is? That's strange logic… :?


This isn't because of the limitations of science.

You can never hope to know even a fraction of what science has already discovered let alone the more there is to find. So it's your own limited capacity which is at fault for how little you are able to know and not science's ability to unravel the rest of the universe.



Selam Oracle. Mar God have mercy upon our soles. :lol:


Hmm ... "selam" is "males" backwards :)

Anyway, I see GR! is unable to counter my logical responses above, so I shall retire undefeated, once again ...
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