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[Tim Drayton]

Halil, why didn't this young man and his Australian bride (is she a TC, Turk, or what, btw ?????) go and live in Turkey.?? After all, there are no economic isolation of the TCs in Turkey, and from what BigOz says, Turkey's economy is booming.?? Why did he need to go all the way to Australia, when he could have gone to any of the EU countries, since I'm sure he is eligible to a RoC passport if he is in fact a TC and not a Turk.?? He would have been much closer to Cyprus and his family had he done that, or was it the case, that he really didn't care if he went as far away as possible from Cyprus and his family, or that if his wife is a non "Turkish" origin, she did not like to live amongst the TCs or Turks or their way of life.? It may also be that he is a very conscience young man and that he does not want to live in a "corrupted society" created by the leaders in the north.???

A lot of questions, I know, but something just doesn't add up here.!

Kikapoo, why do Turks come to work in TRNC and do jobs that TC will not do?
You serve no purpose on this forum other than fan the flames of hatred.
Why don't you just fuck off.

So what you are saying, is that, it is not through a lack of jobs, but the TCs are so high almighty they don't want to do them???

Using VP's language, you have just hit YFred for SIX with your post, B25.!

Kiks;

Ofcourse you could also ask B25 why they have all the cheap labour from Sri Lanka and other far eastern countries; Cant the GCs look after their own elderly folk? ...and other menial duties?

Even in Turkey you come across this same paradox. Unemployment is estimated to run at 15% of the potential workforce, yet the country is full of illegal workers from Caucasia and Central Asia. Central Asians are now starting to make it to northern Cyprus as well.

Agreed Tim. I met my first Kirghiz in the north. A beatiful lady Estate agent.
The point I was making, was B25 claiming that TCs are beyond menial jobs, ignoring the fact that its the same in the RoC. Now I wonder if he has ever been to Cyprus; if he has, he wore blinkers.

I will not accuse others until I put my own house in order - or at least acknowledge our own shortcomings.

Sure, point taken. Just adding my own red herring, in good CF tradition.

[denizaksulu]

Halil, why didn't this young man and his Australian bride (is she a TC, Turk, or what, btw ?????) go and live in Turkey.?? After all, there are no economic isolation of the TCs in Turkey, and from what BigOz says, Turkey's economy is booming.?? Why did he need to go all the way to Australia, when he could have gone to any of the EU countries, since I'm sure he is eligible to a RoC passport if he is in fact a TC and not a Turk.?? He would have been much closer to Cyprus and his family had he done that, or was it the case, that he really didn't care if he went as far away as possible from Cyprus and his family, or that if his wife is a non "Turkish" origin, she did not like to live amongst the TCs or Turks or their way of life.? It may also be that he is a very conscience young man and that he does not want to live in a "corrupted society" created by the leaders in the north.???

A lot of questions, I know, but something just doesn't add up here.!

Kikapoo, why do Turks come to work in TRNC and do jobs that TC will not do?
You serve no purpose on this forum other than fan the flames of hatred.
Why don't you just fuck off.

So what you are saying, is that, it is not through a lack of jobs, but the TCs are so high almighty they don't want to do them???

Using VP's language, you have just hit YFred for SIX with your post, B25.!

Kiks;

Ofcourse you could also ask B25 why they have all the cheap labour from Sri Lanka and other far eastern countries; Cant the GCs look after their own elderly folk? ...and other menial duties?

Even in Turkey you come across this same paradox. Unemployment is estimated to run at 15% of the potential workforce, yet the country is full of illegal workers from Caucasia and Central Asia. Central Asians are now starting to make it to northern Cyprus as well.

Agreed Tim. I met my first Kirghiz in the north. A beatiful lady Estate agent.
The point I was making, was B25 claiming that TCs are beyond menial jobs, ignoring the fact that its the same in the RoC. Now I wonder if he has ever been to Cyprus; if he has, he wore blinkers.

I will not accuse others until I put my own house in order - or at least acknowledge our own shortcomings.

Sure, point taken. Just adding my own red herring, in good CF tradition.

Most appreciated as usual Tim.

[cymart]

It has annoyed me for a long time on this side of Cyprus when I see Greek-Cypriots hiring people from third-world countries to do not only manual jobs which they nowadays consider are below them as they have become so well-off materially,,but also to look after their children and old people and often act as what are effectively slaves six days per week!It is repulsive and hypocritical enough in itself but even more so when they keep telling the world that the island is under occupation and there are refugees etc!Even in the early 80's I can remember someone from Scandinavia who worked for a humanitarian organisation telling me he was puzzled when he came here to see at first hand what he had been told was a serious situation in Cyprus...he was shocked to find not only new cars and houses being built everywhere but also well-dressed and over-fed people,rather than ragged inhabitants in shacks living in abject poverty,as he had expected!If he saw the island today,he would have a fit!!
In addition to all the corruption,lies and hypocrisy in society here in general which has become worse over the years I find the blatant consumerism and indifference towards the future shown by most Cypriots to be a tragic reflection of the islands plight...perhaps it is even more obvious to an outsider?Mind you when most of the politicians have generally been telling everyone crap for so many years,perhaps it is only to be expected?

[Kikapu]

Can anybody show me where in Halil's original post, or any subsequent ones in this thread, he has stated that the bride was Australian?

Halil stated that she was from Australia, Tim.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=30

[Tim Drayton]

Can anybody show me where in Halil's original post, or any subsequent ones in this thread, he has stated that the bride was Australian?

Halil stated that she was from Australia, Tim.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=30

Thanks. Top marks for keeping your eye on the ball. That does put a different spin on the whole story.

[Kikapu]

[Kikapu]

Halil, why didn't this young man and his Australian bride (is she a TC, Turk, or what, btw ?????) go and live in Turkey.?? After all, there are no economic isolation of the TCs in Turkey, and from what BigOz says, Turkey's economy is booming.?? Why did he need to go all the way to Australia, when he could have gone to any of the EU countries, since I'm sure he is eligible to a RoC passport if he is in fact a TC and not a Turk.?? He would have been much closer to Cyprus and his family had he done that, or was it the case, that he really didn't care if he went as far away as possible from Cyprus and his family, or that if his wife is a non "Turkish" origin, she did not like to live amongst the TCs or Turks or their way of life.? It may also be that he is a very conscience young man and that he does not want to live in a "corrupted society" created by the leaders in the north.???

A lot of questions, I know, but something just doesn't add up here.!

Kikapoo, why do Turks come to work in TRNC and do jobs that TC will not do?
You serve no purpose on this forum other than fan the flames of hatred.
Why don't you just fuck off.

So what you are saying, is that, it is not through a lack of jobs, but the TCs are so high almighty they don't want to do them???

Using VP's language, you have just hit YFred for SIX with your post, B25.!

Kiks;

Of Course you could also ask B25 why they have all the cheap labour from Sri Lanka and other far eastern countries; Cant the GCs look after their own elderly folk? ...and other menial duties?

Hi Deniz,

Of course every country brings in immigrants to do jobs locals do not want, specially by countries who's living standards are quiet high.

There's a little difference here however. The north gets money from Turkey to survive, and yet, the young from the north are not willing to do any kind of menial jobs, just because they see it beneath themselves, so they bring in workers for those jobs from the very country who is supporting them financially, which their own people, the Turks, live on less than what the TCs do. It has become the case of "Beggars can be choosers" here. The danger is, the young in the north have become/will become bunch of "primadonnas" if they think doing any kind of menial job will make them ashamed, in which case, the educated TCs will rather leave the north for other countries to find work than do something less than they want until they can find a better job, or live at home on their parents money, if they should have any. The not so educated will also leave, just because they too will not want to be seen as "not making it in life" and have all the social pressures brought upon them, just because no TC should do such menial jobs for a while. The TCs are attaching shame on themselves for doing any kind of menial jobs. There is a fundamental danger here that the north will lose most of their young one way or another with this kind of mentality. As I've said, you cannot have more "Chiefs than Indians", or else everything will become upside down, and the north will be without TCs in no time at all. For many TCs, they will either become professional or be doing menial jobs abroad, but not in the "trnc".!!

[denizaksulu]

Halil, why didn't this young man and his Australian bride (is she a TC, Turk, or what, btw ?????) go and live in Turkey.?? After all, there are no economic isolation of the TCs in Turkey, and from what BigOz says, Turkey's economy is booming.?? Why did he need to go all the way to Australia, when he could have gone to any of the EU countries, since I'm sure he is eligible to a RoC passport if he is in fact a TC and not a Turk.?? He would have been much closer to Cyprus and his family had he done that, or was it the case, that he really didn't care if he went as far away as possible from Cyprus and his family, or that if his wife is a non "Turkish" origin, she did not like to live amongst the TCs or Turks or their way of life.? It may also be that he is a very conscience young man and that he does not want to live in a "corrupted society" created by the leaders in the north.???

A lot of questions, I know, but something just doesn't add up here.!

Kikapoo, why do Turks come to work in TRNC and do jobs that TC will not do?
You serve no purpose on this forum other than fan the flames of hatred.
Why don't you just fuck off.

So what you are saying, is that, it is not through a lack of jobs, but the TCs are so high almighty they don't want to do them???

Using VP's language, you have just hit YFred for SIX with your post, B25.!

Kiks;

Of Course you could also ask B25 why they have all the cheap labour from Sri Lanka and other far eastern countries; Cant the GCs look after their own elderly folk? ...and other menial duties?

Hi Deniz,

Of course every country brings in immigrants to do jobs locals do not want, specially by countries who's living standards are quiet high.

There's a little difference here however. The north gets money from Turkey to survive, and yet, the young from the north are not willing to do any kind of menial jobs, just because they see it beneath themselves, so they bring in workers for those jobs from the very country who is supporting them financially, which their own people, the Turks, live on less than what the TCs do. It has become the case of "Beggars can be choosers" here. The danger is, the young in the north have become/will become bunch of "primadonnas" if they think doing any kind of menial job will make them ashamed, in which case, the educated TCs will rather leave the north for other countries to find work than do something less than they want until they can find a better job, or live at home on their parents money, if they should have any. The not so educated will also leave, just because they too will not want to be seen as "not making it in life" and have all the social pressures brought upon them, just because no TC should do such menial jobs for a while. The TCs are attaching shame on themselves for doing any kind of menial jobs. There is a fundamental danger here that the north will lose most of their young one way or another with this kind of mentality. As I've said, you cannot have more "Chiefs than Indians", or else everything will become upside down, and the north will be without TCs in no time at all. For many TCs, they will either become professional or be doing menial jobs abroad, but not in the "trnc".!!

One thing you forgot to mention is the fact that it was the RoC who made the deal with the Sri Lankan goverment to import the slave labour. They have also legalised that too. I am so glad you are happy with that.

[humanist]

halil

humanist,

I didn't created any scenario ..... their my family !

it is not easy as u are saying they can stay in ''ROC'' some one sits in their home in south.

there is lots of differences between south and north Andrea. It is not that much easy for a new life in south... First of all person has to feel that they can make a life at south. By going daily trips or working over there are not same as u settle down and live. Thats what i hear from the peoples Andrea.

It is not easy as u imagine. These comunities are seperated more than 40 years now. they have uneasiness ........They need to trust........They need time. It cant be just like that u clamp your hands. how they can come and sit over their most of u see them as thief. most of u thinking, they never lost anything..... no one thinks that their life was like hell since 1963.

ofcourse they know around 165000 GC's left their homes too. I will remind u again those people of Morpho said yes to annan plan....all GC's from Morpho was returning back to their homes.

First of all our leaders are talking BBF system at talks...not confederation !

New president of TRNC letter to UN SG said other day that he is ready to talk what Talat and Christofias agreed on 23rd May 2008. ı hope u knew what was all about.

_________________

I think there may be a little misunderstanding ... I never suggested you fabricated the story you told us. I ac appreciate that this people are within your family.

I also understand that there could be people living in their homes. I think that there is a department that should advocate on their behalf to reclaim their home, and resettle the refugee in a government house.

I also understand that its hard to resettle after 40 years and that it is different. But if nobody does anything because we are all scared then nothing will change and your community will lose more of its young people. Minority in your own country.

Best thing is for Cypriots to reclaim their properties and move back, rather than seeking compensation form Turkey, but become under european/ Cyptiot law and jurisdiction.

dunno how this will go in the ECHR .... perhaps a lawyer can coment

[Kikapu]

Halil, why didn't this young man and his Australian bride (is she a TC, Turk, or what, btw ?????) go and live in Turkey.?? After all, there are no economic isolation of the TCs in Turkey, and from what BigOz says, Turkey's economy is booming.?? Why did he need to go all the way to Australia, when he could have gone to any of the EU countries, since I'm sure he is eligible to a RoC passport if he is in fact a TC and not a Turk.?? He would have been much closer to Cyprus and his family had he done that, or was it the case, that he really didn't care if he went as far away as possible from Cyprus and his family, or that if his wife is a non "Turkish" origin, she did not like to live amongst the TCs or Turks or their way of life.? It may also be that he is a very conscience young man and that he does not want to live in a "corrupted society" created by the leaders in the north.???

A lot of questions, I know, but something just doesn't add up here.!

Kikapoo, why do Turks come to work in TRNC and do jobs that TC will not do?
You serve no purpose on this forum other than fan the flames of hatred.
Why don't you just fuck off.

So what you are saying, is that, it is not through a lack of jobs, but the TCs are so high almighty they don't want to do them???

Using VP's language, you have just hit YFred for SIX with your post, B25.!

Kiks;

Of Course you could also ask B25 why they have all the cheap labour from Sri Lanka and other far eastern countries; Cant the GCs look after their own elderly folk? ...and other menial duties?

Hi Deniz,

Of course every country brings in immigrants to do jobs locals do not want, specially by countries who's living standards are quiet high.

There's a little difference here however. The north gets money from Turkey to survive, and yet, the young from the north are not willing to do any kind of menial jobs, just because they see it beneath themselves, so they bring in workers for those jobs from the very country who is supporting them financially, which their own people, the Turks, live on less than what the TCs do. It has become the case of "Beggars can be choosers" here. The danger is, the young in the north have become/will become bunch of "primadonnas" if they think doing any kind of menial job will make them ashamed, in which case, the educated TCs will rather leave the north for other countries to find work than do something less than they want until they can find a better job, or live at home on their parents money, if they should have any. The not so educated will also leave, just because they too will not want to be seen as "not making it in life" and have all the social pressures brought upon them, just because no TC should do such menial jobs for a while. The TCs are attaching shame on themselves for doing any kind of menial jobs. There is a fundamental danger here that the north will lose most of their young one way or another with this kind of mentality. As I've said, you cannot have more "Chiefs than Indians", or else everything will become upside down, and the north will be without TCs in no time at all. For many TCs, they will either become professional or be doing menial jobs abroad, but not in the "trnc".!!

One thing you forgot to mention is the fact that it was the RoC who made the deal with the Sri Lankan goverment to import the slave labour. They have also legalised that too. I am so glad you are happy with that.

I don't know what you are referring to exactly with the above, Deniz..

As I've said, most countries will import cheap labour. It would be ironic, would it not, if Sri Lanka was supporting the RoC financially to survive, and yet the people of the RoC were importing Sri Lankans to do their menial jobs. This is what is happening with the "trnc" and Turkey. Lets not lose focus here in the difference between the north and the south. They are two different cases all together. The south produces wealth and can afford to bring in cheap labour, while the north receives welfare from Turkey, and yet brings cheaper labour from Turkey!