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Postby intermoon » Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:44 pm

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intermoon wrote:It looks like we have more athiest brothers here on this forum and few believer brothers.

May I try to prove you the existance of God if you try to understand with open mind?



What difference will it make if I am a 'good' non-believer and not a muslim or a 'bad' person who is a muslim.

Please dont tell me my rewards are in the after-life.

I believe it is this life that matters.

Intermoon, please do can't wait. How about going to the moon and back. That will do it.



He has taken off on 'MERIH 1'


I do not need to take day off because as IT Professional, I am online 24X7 but I do need time to read the posts and write answers.

So be patient and I will try my best to prove you the existance of God
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Postby cyprusgrump » Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:46 pm

intermoon wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
YFred wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
intermoon wrote:It looks like we have more athiest brothers here on this forum and few believer brothers.

May I try to prove you the existance of God if you try to understand with open mind?



What difference will it make if I am a 'good' non-believer and not a muslim or a 'bad' person who is a muslim.

Please dont tell me my rewards are in the after-life.

I believe it is this life that matters.

Intermoon, please do can't wait. How about going to the moon and back. That will do it.



He has taken off on 'MERIH 1'


I do not need to take day off because as IT Professional, I am online 24X7 but I do need time to read the posts and write answers.

So be patient and I will try my best to prove you the existance of God


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Postby intermoon » Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:55 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
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intermoon wrote:It looks like we have more athiest brothers here on this forum and few believer brothers.

May I try to prove you the existance of God if you try to understand with open mind?



What difference will it make if I am a 'good' non-believer and not a muslim or a 'bad' person who is a muslim.

Please dont tell me my rewards are in the after-life.

I believe it is this life that matters.


It is compulsory to be good to be a Muslim. A bad person can not be a muslim because by defination Muslim is a person who submit his/her will to the will of God and God's will is not to be bad. right? It is as though you have to be human being to be a Cypriot, Turkish, Muslim, Christian, Athiest etc.

I too believe that life matters and there is purpose of our creation and this life where we have choice to choose between right and wrong.

Lets stick to the subject about the existence of God and then we can disscuss other topics



You have yet to return from Merih on your Merih ! project to prove the existence of God. How can we take up your offer until you prove his/her/its existence.

Are suicide bombers true believers that believe in God? Are they good people just because they claim it is gods will? I do not think so. These people have done a lot of harm in the name of religion. I hope they burn in hell. (if there is one)


God knows the intentions and the circumstances of everyone therefore I am not here to judge you or other muslims. I know the truth is that Killing innocent muslims or non muslims is forbiden in Islam and whoever is doing wheather muslim or non muslim will be punished.we can discuss it further later

Lets stick to the Topic The Existence of God
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Postby intermoon » Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:01 pm

cyprusgrump wrote:
intermoon wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
YFred wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
intermoon wrote:It looks like we have more athiest brothers here on this forum and few believer brothers.

May I try to prove you the existance of God if you try to understand with open mind?



What difference will it make if I am a 'good' non-believer and not a muslim or a 'bad' person who is a muslim.

Please dont tell me my rewards are in the after-life.

I believe it is this life that matters.

Intermoon, please do can't wait. How about going to the moon and back. That will do it.



He has taken off on 'MERIH 1'


I do not need to take day off because as IT Professional, I am online 24X7 but I do need time to read the posts and write answers.

So be patient and I will try my best to prove you the existance of God


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I like cyprusgrump because he is a wise man and really wants to know if God Exist or not.

Thank you for being patient cyprusgrump and I will request denizaksulu and others to give me chance to prove the existance of God.

As you all know that it will take some time to write down to prove the Existance of God because Answer is not always short as question.
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Postby georgios100 » Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:55 pm

While intermoon is searching for answers, here is a couple of points I want to make.

1. Is it true, if life is discovered in another planet, religion or God himself are automatically out the window?

2. There are 10 "major" religions and a myriad of others all over the world. Which one is the correct one? Which God(s) is the guy to follow? Let's assume Christianity is correct... does that mean the remaining 6 billion people who believe otherwise are wrong, stupid or mislead?

3. Religion and politics don't mix well. Power sharing never worked either. Which one is more powerful, religion or politics?

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Postby cyprusgrump » Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:19 pm

georgios100 wrote:While intermoon is searching for answers, here is a couple of points I want to make.

1. Is it true, if life is discovered in another planet, religion or God himself are automatically out the window?

2. There are 10 "major" religions and a myriad of others all over the world. Which one is the correct one? Which God(s) is the guy to follow? Let's assume Christianity is correct... does that mean the remaining 6 billion people who believe otherwise are wrong, stupid or mislead?

3. Religion and politics don't mix well. Power sharing never worked either. Which one is more powerful, religion or politics?

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Postby T_C » Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:45 pm

God doesn't necessarily have to be connected to religion! The above points only refute religion and it's interpretation of a creator...

The following is probably the most convincing when it comes to the existance of a creator;

For many years British philosopher, Dr. Antony Flew, has been a leading spokesperson for atheism, actively involved in debate after debate. However, scientific discoveries within the last 30 years brought him to a conclusion he could not avoid. In a video interview in December 2004 he stated, "Super-intelligence is the only good explanation for the origin of life and the complexity of nature."1 Prominent in his conclusion were the discoveries of DNA. Here's why.

computer programming:
DNA code:


DNA in our cells is very similar to an intricate computer program. In the photo on the left, you see that a computer program is made up of a series of ones and zeros (called binary code). The sequencing and ordering of these ones and zeros is what makes the computer program work properly.

In the same way, DNA is made up of four chemicals, abbreviated as letters A, T, G, and C. Much like the ones and zeros, these letters are arranged in the human cell like this: CGTGTGACTCGCTCCTGAT and so on. The order in which they are arranged instructs the cell's actions.

What is amazing is that within the tiny space in every cell in your body, this code is three billion letters long!!2

To grasp the amount of DNA information in one cell, "a live reading of that code at a rate of three letters per second would take thirty-one years, even if reading continued day and night."3 Wait, there's more.

It has been determined that 99.9% of your DNA is similar to everyone's genetic makeup.4 What is uniquely you comes in the fractional difference in how those three billion letters are sequenced in your cells.

The U.S. government is able to identify everyone in our country by the arrangement of a nine-digit social security number. Yet, inside every cell in you is a three-billion-lettered DNA structure that belongs only to you. This code identifies you and continually instructs your cells' behavior.

Dr. Francis Collins, director of the Human Genome Project (that mapped the human DNA structure) said that one can "think of DNA as an instructional script, a software program, sitting in the nucleus of the cell."5

Perry Marshall, an information specialist, comments on the implications of this. "There has never existed a computer program that wasn't designed...[whether it is] a code, or a program, or a message given through a language, there is always an intelligent mind behind it."6

Just as former atheist Dr. Antony Flew questioned, it is legitimate to ask oneself regarding this three billion letter code instructing the cell...who wrote this script? Who placed this working code, inside the cell?

It's like walking along the beach and you see in the sand, "Mike loves Michelle." You know the waves rolling up on the beach didn't form that--a person wrote that. It is a precise message. It is clear communication. In the same way, the DNA structure is a complex, three-billion-lettered script, informing and directing the cell's process.

How can one explain this sophisticated messaging, coding, residing in our cells?

On June 26, 2000, President Clinton congratulated those who completed the human genome sequencing. President Clinton said, "Today we are learning the language in which God created life. We are gaining ever more awe for the complexity, the beauty, the wonder of God's most divine and sacred gift."7 Dr. Francis Collins, director of the Human Genome Project, followed Clinton to the podium stating, "It is humbling for me and awe inspiring to realize that we have caught the first glimpse of our own instruction book, previously known only to God."8

When looking at the DNA structure within the human body, we cannot escape the presence of intelligent (incredibly intelligent) design.


I'd like to hear Oracles take on the above....
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Postby denizaksulu » Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:02 pm

T_C wrote:God doesn't necessarily have to be connected to religion! The above points only refute religion and it's interpretation of a creator...

The following is probably the most convincing when it comes to the existance of a creator;

For many years British philosopher, Dr. Antony Flew, has been a leading spokesperson for atheism, actively involved in debate after debate. However, scientific discoveries within the last 30 years brought him to a conclusion he could not avoid. In a video interview in December 2004 he stated, "Super-intelligence is the only good explanation for the origin of life and the complexity of nature."1 Prominent in his conclusion were the discoveries of DNA. Here's why.

computer programming:
DNA code:


DNA in our cells is very similar to an intricate computer program. In the photo on the left, you see that a computer program is made up of a series of ones and zeros (called binary code). The sequencing and ordering of these ones and zeros is what makes the computer program work properly.

In the same way, DNA is made up of four chemicals, abbreviated as letters A, T, G, and C. Much like the ones and zeros, these letters are arranged in the human cell like this: CGTGTGACTCGCTCCTGAT and so on. The order in which they are arranged instructs the cell's actions.

What is amazing is that within the tiny space in every cell in your body, this code is three billion letters long!!2

To grasp the amount of DNA information in one cell, "a live reading of that code at a rate of three letters per second would take thirty-one years, even if reading continued day and night."3 Wait, there's more.

It has been determined that 99.9% of your DNA is similar to everyone's genetic makeup.4 What is uniquely you comes in the fractional difference in how those three billion letters are sequenced in your cells.

The U.S. government is able to identify everyone in our country by the arrangement of a nine-digit social security number. Yet, inside every cell in you is a three-billion-lettered DNA structure that belongs only to you. This code identifies you and continually instructs your cells' behavior.

Dr. Francis Collins, director of the Human Genome Project (that mapped the human DNA structure) said that one can "think of DNA as an instructional script, a software program, sitting in the nucleus of the cell."5

Perry Marshall, an information specialist, comments on the implications of this. "There has never existed a computer program that wasn't designed...[whether it is] a code, or a program, or a message given through a language, there is always an intelligent mind behind it."6

Just as former atheist Dr. Antony Flew questioned, it is legitimate to ask oneself regarding this three billion letter code instructing the cell...who wrote this script? Who placed this working code, inside the cell?

It's like walking along the beach and you see in the sand, "Mike loves Michelle." You know the waves rolling up on the beach didn't form that--a person wrote that. It is a precise message. It is clear communication. In the same way, the DNA structure is a complex, three-billion-lettered script, informing and directing the cell's process.

How can one explain this sophisticated messaging, coding, residing in our cells?

On June 26, 2000, President Clinton congratulated those who completed the human genome sequencing. President Clinton said, "Today we are learning the language in which God created life. We are gaining ever more awe for the complexity, the beauty, the wonder of God's most divine and sacred gift."7 Dr. Francis Collins, director of the Human Genome Project, followed Clinton to the podium stating, "It is humbling for me and awe inspiring to realize that we have caught the first glimpse of our own instruction book, previously known only to God."8

When looking at the DNA structure within the human body, we cannot escape the presence of intelligent (incredibly intelligent) design.


I'd like to hear Oracles take on the above....



Şükür elhamdüllilah!!!


What a great Biochemist God/Allah İs :shock: :shock:
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Postby intermoon » Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:05 pm

georgios100 wrote:While intermoon is searching for answers, here is a couple of points I want to make.

1. Is it true, if life is discovered in another planet, religion or God himself are automatically out the window?

2. There are 10 "major" religions and a myriad of others all over the world. Which one is the correct one? Which God(s) is the guy to follow? Let's assume Christianity is correct... does that mean the remaining 6 billion people who believe otherwise are wrong, stupid or mislead?

3. Religion and politics don't mix well. Power sharing never worked either. Which one is more powerful, religion or politics?

Georgios100


1- Islam is not against the life present on the other planets. (Quran)

2 There is only one God without any partners and there is only one way (religion). It is about what is right (Truth) and what is wrong (Falsehood) not to prove others wrong and prove ourselves right but for the benefit of all us as we are all brothers and sisters in the humanity. Out goal should be to be successful in this life and the life hereafter.

3- Religion (a complete way of life) is from our Creator and Politics is all about worldly business and some time way to mislead common people. You may have your own definition of Politics.

In the religion all human beings are equal where in the politics are not.

Religion provides the universal mission of all human being as a whole where Politics divide us.

Don’t worry I am still working on Existence of God :)
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Postby apc2010 » Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:15 pm

I like cyprusgrump because he is a wise man

Now i know this person is nuts......
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