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[Viewpoint]

Why should Turkey abandone us without an agreed solution?

You said it VP. Agreed solution impossible. And it will not really abandon you from one day to another.

Look at the facts:
The so called "trnc" is considered a puppet administration of Turkey.
By it's own nature this administration does not operate according to EU laws, in fact it is based on theft and exploitation of GC properties and appartheit. Replace this administration by some government appointed directly from Brussels and part of the problem gets solved. At first this government will deal with governing as per EU laws without touching the property/settlement issue.These issues will start getting resolved after the first year.

Then comes the matter of security.Turkish troops are here presumably for your safety. There will be a de-militarisation schedule as per Anan Plan that will provide enough security for the next 6 years or so. During this period the property and settlement issue will also be resolved. So when the de-militarisation gets complete there won't be any reason for any disputes/troubles.

There are multiple merits for this "solution".
a)You don't get subject to GC control but directly to Brussels.
b)Turkey gets rid of the headache of Cyprus and heads towards her EU road without any problems.
c)You become 100% EU citizens immediately, with absolutely no restrictions. Direct Trade, direct flights you name it.
d)When everything gets completed, those functions of the 2 administrative parts (ROC administration + the Brussels appointed in the north) that are common and directly related to EU matters get joined easily in a common say "ministry" and that "ministry" forms the skeleton of the new Fed Government. Completing the skeleton will be a matter of agreement between the 2 communities, which at that point would rather be a matter of common sense rather than tough negotiations.

That's all.

SOLUTION!! 8)

Good effort but you forget that Turkey is in no real rush to enter the EU, thats what you have to understand.

I could answer each of the points you have raised individually but I think you will understand where I am coming from if I ask you why should I trust Brussels to do the right thing? the TCs do not trust them one iota they have failed them on many ocassions and never kept to their word. With Turkey out of the equation and the GC influence in the EU how do you think we would feel? exposed and very vunerable to indirect domination yet again by GCs hell bent on taking control of the whole island by getting rid of Turkey our only real ally to date.

So you do not trust the GCs while the majority of you hold RoC passports and IDs and voted yes to the "unification" plan WITH THEM.

You do not trust the EU yet you are hell bent in acomodating their experts to provide you with sanitary certificates for Exports. You do not trust them but still demand to send 2 TC MPs in Brussels. You do not trust them but want to have direct trade and direct flights to them.

You dont have trust them to benefit, its when your asked to throw your future in the refuge can when you say hold on I dont want this.

When has the EU made good on any of the shit they have promised, they are considered a joke in the TRNC and people dont take them seriously, we only deal with them out of common courtesy.

I wonder when you will ever stop speaking as if you are the total sum of TCs+Settlers.

TCs do not trust this, do not trust that, they only trust Turkey....

btw the EU never promised you anything.Some paid crooks like Verhoigen did and you were fools to beleive them. They had no authority to make promises anyway. EU is US the GCs too you know...

So the EU trying to remove the isolation is our imagination?

Why should we trust anyone other than Turkey, actions speak louder than unkept promises and hidden agendas.

[Viewpoint]

Now you tell me what's wrong with this solution. Do you prefer the Eroglu government or some government appointed directly from Brussels? Tony Blair might be your minister of Exterior..

I would be opposed to the idea, why cant the TCs adminster the north just as the GCs are adminstering the south, would you be prepared to hand over the south to Tony Blair?

a)Because on top level it is a subordinate administration to Turkey
b)Because its legal basis is not according to the Aquis

If the RoC was at the same mess like the pseudo, then yes I would accept.

You are the ones that consider us a mess because you are on the other side of the fence and this is only to be expected but the UN EU UK USA take us a bit more seriously than what you want to believe, the mere fact that we are the other side in any referendum and our yes or no carries just as much weight as yours must prove that we can also run the North in the interim period, if GCs are will to hand over power and control in the south then I would do the same in the north, do we have a deal?

You wished!

Like it or not you are powerless pawns in the hands of Turkey. And you do not run anything, you just do as Turkey says. Even the letter Eroglu send to the UN was prepared by Bayis in advance. Read todays papers.

And yes you are in a mess, i jump over the fence very regularly and i see with my own eyes. Not admitting it does not make it go away.

The majority of the world is a mess, have you been on earth as it appears you have not noticed countries like Greece, Spain are crumbling with little GC south Cyprus in line for a rocky ride.

How can you be biased when you think in unision with Turkey, who has our and their best interests at heart. If they do anything detremental to the Tcs dont worry we will speak loud and clear but you are just jealous of the cooperation and close ties we enjoy. They have proven to be very strong and dependable allies unlike past unions.

[bigOz]

Why should Turkey abandone us without an agreed solution?

You said it VP. Agreed solution impossible. And it will not really abandon you from one day to another.

Look at the facts:
The so called "trnc" is considered a puppet administration of Turkey.
By it's own nature this administration does not operate according to EU laws, in fact it is based on theft and exploitation of GC properties and appartheit. Replace this administration by some government appointed directly from Brussels and part of the problem gets solved. At first this government will deal with governing as per EU laws without touching the property/settlement issue.These issues will start getting resolved after the first year.

Then comes the matter of security.Turkish troops are here presumably for your safety. There will be a de-militarisation schedule as per Anan Plan that will provide enough security for the next 6 years or so. During this period the property and settlement issue will also be resolved. So when the de-militarisation gets complete there won't be any reason for any disputes/troubles.

There are multiple merits for this "solution".
a)You don't get subject to GC control but directly to Brussels.
b)Turkey gets rid of the headache of Cyprus and heads towards her EU road without any problems.
c)You become 100% EU citizens immediately, with absolutely no restrictions. Direct Trade, direct flights you name it.
d)When everything gets completed, those functions of the 2 administrative parts (ROC administration + the Brussels appointed in the north) that are common and directly related to EU matters get joined easily in a common say "ministry" and that "ministry" forms the skeleton of the new Fed Government. Completing the skeleton will be a matter of agreement between the 2 communities, which at that point would rather be a matter of common sense rather than tough negotiations.

That's all.

SOLUTION!! 8)

Good effort but you forget that Turkey is in no real rush to enter the EU, thats what you have to understand.

I could answer each of the points you have raised individually but I think you will understand where I am coming from if I ask you why should I trust Brussels to do the right thing? the TCs do not trust them one iota they have failed them on many ocassions and never kept to their word. With Turkey out of the equation and the GC influence in the EU how do you think we would feel? exposed and very vunerable to indirect domination yet again by GCs hell bent on taking control of the whole island by getting rid of Turkey our only real ally to date.

So you do not trust the GCs while the majority of you hold RoC passports and IDs and voted yes to the "unification" plan WITH THEM.

You do not trust the EU yet you are hell bent in acomodating their experts to provide you with sanitary certificates for Exports. You do not trust them but still demand to send 2 TC MPs in Brussels. You do not trust them but want to have direct trade and direct flights to them.

You dont have trust them to benefit, its when your asked to throw your future in the refuge can when you say hold on I dont want this.

When has the EU made good on any of the shit they have promised, they are considered a joke in the TRNC and people dont take them seriously, we only deal with them out of common courtesy.

I wonder when you will ever stop speaking as if you are the total sum of TCs+Settlers.

TCs do not trust this, do not trust that, they only trust Turkey....

btw the EU never promised you anything.Some paid crooks like Verhoigen did and you were fools to beleive them. They had no authority to make promises anyway. EU is US the GCs too you know...

So the EU trying to remove the isolation is our imagination?

Why should we trust anyone other than Turkey, actions speak louder than unkept promises and hidden agendas.

Am I wrong in thinking that; considering the economic state Greece is in at the moment, not even the EU trusts anything that is Greek!
Also how can TCs trust EU now that the GCs have joined forces with Greece to make sure nothing passes in favor of the TCs - economically or politically?

As for the TRNC (not "so called" but sooo existing!) and the TCs, I assure you most are now saying "fuck EU and fuck any deals that will force us to live together with GCs, many of whom are brainwashed against TCs"

Any deals will become even harder while Turkiye's economy keeps growing and overtaking most of the collapsing economies of the EU states! It is fast heading towards EU needing Turkey than Turkey needing EU.

Yassou re DT - Remember we talked about an investment by your company in Turkey some 2-3 years ago. I hope you are earning good money now!
I hope you alsoı remember what I predicted about the Turkish economy growing fast and why they were better off staying out of EU!

EU removing isolation? Who gives a fuck? EU will soon be bankrupt and begging for foreign trade - while the economies East of Europe will improve. The only reason TCs want to hold an EU passport (which is their birth right just like any GC) is to be able to travel to UK with the least of trouble and no visas. So please get over yourselves about TCs owning Cyprus Republic passports...

[boomerang]

the econoimic state of turkey largely depends on the EU buying their output...if and when the EU is sliding towards the bakrupt path surely that can't be good for turkey...

further more the reason the EU purchases from turkey is purely distance...sooner or later the EU will have no other choice, as the standard of living increases in turkey, but to look elsewhere, ie. China...

to think that turkey can in the long term compete with china is ludicrous...

[Pyrpolizer]

Now you tell me what's wrong with this solution. Do you prefer the Eroglu government or some government appointed directly from Brussels? Tony Blair might be your minister of Exterior..

I would be opposed to the idea, why cant the TCs adminster the north just as the GCs are adminstering the south, would you be prepared to hand over the south to Tony Blair?

a)Because on top level it is a subordinate administration to Turkey
b)Because its legal basis is not according to the Aquis

If the RoC was at the same mess like the pseudo, then yes I would accept.

You are the ones that consider us a mess because you are on the other side of the fence and this is only to be expected but the UN EU UK USA take us a bit more seriously than what you want to believe, the mere fact that we are the other side in any referendum and our yes or no carries just as much weight as yours must prove that we can also run the North in the interim period, if GCs are will to hand over power and control in the south then I would do the same in the north, do we have a deal?

On second though yes I accept, therefore tokka, we have a deal.Both the RoC controlled area, and the Occupied area to be handled over to Brussels for administration, while all military is disolved.

Would you reconfirm your acceptance?

[Pyrpolizer]

Why should Turkey abandone us without an agreed solution?

You said it VP. Agreed solution impossible. And it will not really abandon you from one day to another.

Look at the facts:
The so called "trnc" is considered a puppet administration of Turkey.
By it's own nature this administration does not operate according to EU laws, in fact it is based on theft and exploitation of GC properties and appartheit. Replace this administration by some government appointed directly from Brussels and part of the problem gets solved. At first this government will deal with governing as per EU laws without touching the property/settlement issue.These issues will start getting resolved after the first year.

Then comes the matter of security.Turkish troops are here presumably for your safety. There will be a de-militarisation schedule as per Anan Plan that will provide enough security for the next 6 years or so. During this period the property and settlement issue will also be resolved. So when the de-militarisation gets complete there won't be any reason for any disputes/troubles.

There are multiple merits for this "solution".
a)You don't get subject to GC control but directly to Brussels.
b)Turkey gets rid of the headache of Cyprus and heads towards her EU road without any problems.
c)You become 100% EU citizens immediately, with absolutely no restrictions. Direct Trade, direct flights you name it.
d)When everything gets completed, those functions of the 2 administrative parts (ROC administration + the Brussels appointed in the north) that are common and directly related to EU matters get joined easily in a common say "ministry" and that "ministry" forms the skeleton of the new Fed Government. Completing the skeleton will be a matter of agreement between the 2 communities, which at that point would rather be a matter of common sense rather than tough negotiations.

That's all.

SOLUTION!! 8)

Good effort but you forget that Turkey is in no real rush to enter the EU, thats what you have to understand.

I could answer each of the points you have raised individually but I think you will understand where I am coming from if I ask you why should I trust Brussels to do the right thing? the TCs do not trust them one iota they have failed them on many ocassions and never kept to their word. With Turkey out of the equation and the GC influence in the EU how do you think we would feel? exposed and very vunerable to indirect domination yet again by GCs hell bent on taking control of the whole island by getting rid of Turkey our only real ally to date.

So you do not trust the GCs while the majority of you hold RoC passports and IDs and voted yes to the "unification" plan WITH THEM.

You do not trust the EU yet you are hell bent in acomodating their experts to provide you with sanitary certificates for Exports. You do not trust them but still demand to send 2 TC MPs in Brussels. You do not trust them but want to have direct trade and direct flights to them.

You dont have trust them to benefit, its when your asked to throw your future in the refuge can when you say hold on I dont want this.

When has the EU made good on any of the shit they have promised, they are considered a joke in the TRNC and people dont take them seriously, we only deal with them out of common courtesy.

I wonder when you will ever stop speaking as if you are the total sum of TCs+Settlers.

TCs do not trust this, do not trust that, they only trust Turkey....

btw the EU never promised you anything.Some paid crooks like Verhoigen did and you were fools to beleive them. They had no authority to make promises anyway. EU is US the GCs too you know...

So the EU trying to remove the isolation is our imagination?

Why should we trust anyone other than Turkey, actions speak louder than unkept promises and hidden agendas.

Am I wrong in thinking that; considering the economic state Greece is in at the moment, not even the EU trusts anything that is Greek!
Also how can TCs trust EU now that the GCs have joined forces with Greece to make sure nothing passes in favor of the TCs - economically or politically?

As for the TRNC (not "so called" but sooo existing!) and the TCs, I assure you most are now saying "fuck EU and fuck any deals that will force us to live together with GCs, many of whom are brainwashed against TCs"

Any deals will become even harder while Turkiye's economy keeps growing and overtaking most of the collapsing economies of the EU states! It is fast heading towards EU needing Turkey than Turkey needing EU.

Yassou re DT - Remember we talked about an investment by your company in Turkey some 2-3 years ago. I hope you are earning good money now!
I hope you alsoı remember what I predicted about the Turkish economy growing fast and why they were better off staying out of EU!

EU removing isolation? Who gives a fuck? EU will soon be bankrupt and begging for foreign trade - while the economies East of Europe will improve. The only reason TCs want to hold an EU passport (which is their birth right just like any GC) is to be able to travel to UK with the least of trouble and no visas. So please get over yourselves about TCs owning Cyprus Republic passports...

I hope you are prepared to feel a real hard pain by the minute the EU or the GCs lose their patience and say "fuck you too idiots"

[cymart]

After more than 35 years any Turkish leader would even dare to suggest that they just give up north Cyprus???Even if he did try to convince people it was in his countries best interests to do that so they could join the E.U. there are far too many nationalists in Turkey who would never accept what they consider to be total humiliation,without even considering those in the military and business world who have major interests in northern Cyprus-Kaya Hotels for example???
Much as it seems an ideal way out of the impasse,I also could never see the E.U. taking on such a commitment anyway,especially with the mess things are in now internationally and within the Union itself..

[YFred]

After more than 35 years any Turkish leader would even dare to suggest that they just give up north Cyprus???Even if he did try to convince people it was in his countries best interests to do that so they could join the E.U. there are far too many nationalists in Turkey who would never accept what they consider to be total humiliation,without even considering those in the military and business world who have major interests in northern Cyprus-Kaya Hotels for example???
Much as it seems an ideal way out of the impasse,I also could never see the E.U. taking on such a commitment anyway,especially with the mess things are in now internationally and within the Union itself..

EU thinks it was a mistake just taking one without solving the problem, hardly likely they will make the same mistake twice and have double the headache.

[Byron]

Anyway the EU is not interested at all in Cyprus.

That's like saying "The US is not interested in Nebraska"!

If it were interested it would have solved the so called Cyprus problem and that would have put an end to your silly remarks.