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[Pyrpolizer]

Why should Turkey abandone us without an agreed solution?

You said it VP. Agreed solution impossible. And it will not really abandon you from one day to another.

Look at the facts:
The so called "trnc" is considered a puppet administration of Turkey.
By it's own nature this administration does not operate according to EU laws, in fact it is based on theft and exploitation of GC properties and appartheit. Replace this administration by some government appointed directly from Brussels and part of the problem gets solved. At first this government will deal with governing as per EU laws without touching the property/settlement issue.These issues will start getting resolved after the first year.

Then comes the matter of security.Turkish troops are here presumably for your safety. There will be a de-militarisation schedule as per Anan Plan that will provide enough security for the next 6 years or so. During this period the property and settlement issue will also be resolved. So when the de-militarisation gets complete there won't be any reason for any disputes/troubles.

There are multiple merits for this "solution".
a)You don't get subject to GC control but directly to Brussels.
b)Turkey gets rid of the headache of Cyprus and heads towards her EU road without any problems.
c)You become 100% EU citizens immediately, with absolutely no restrictions. Direct Trade, direct flights you name it.
d)When everything gets completed, those functions of the 2 administrative parts (ROC administration + the Brussels appointed in the north) that are common and directly related to EU matters get joined easily in a common say "ministry" and that "ministry" forms the skeleton of the new Fed Government. Completing the skeleton will be a matter of agreement between the 2 communities, which at that point would rather be a matter of common sense rather than tough negotiations.

That's all.

SOLUTION!! 8)

Good effort but you forget that Turkey is in no real rush to enter the EU, thats what you have to understand.

I could answer each of the points you have raised individually but I think you will understand where I am coming from if I ask you why should I trust Brussels to do the right thing? the TCs do not trust them one iota they have failed them on many ocassions and never kept to their word. With Turkey out of the equation and the GC influence in the EU how do you think we would feel? exposed and very vunerable to indirect domination yet again by GCs hell bent on taking control of the whole island by getting rid of Turkey our only real ally to date.

So you do not trust the GCs while the majority of you hold RoC passports and IDs and voted yes to the "unification" plan WITH THEM.

You do not trust the EU yet you are hell bent in acomodating their experts to provide you with sanitary certificates for Exports. You do not trust them but still demand to send 2 TC MPs in Brussels. You do not trust them but want to have direct trade and direct flights to them.

[Pyrpolizer]

Now you tell me what's wrong with this solution. Do you prefer the Eroglu government or some government appointed directly from Brussels? Tony Blair might be your minister of Exterior..

I would be opposed to the idea, why cant the TCs adminster the north just as the GCs are adminstering the south, would you be prepared to hand over the south to Tony Blair?

a)Because on top level it is a subordinate administration to Turkey
b)Because its legal basis is not according to the Aquis

If the RoC was at the same mess like the pseudo, then yes I would accept.

[Acikgoz]

So you do not trust the GCs while the majority of you hold RoC passports and IDs and voted yes to the "unification" plan WITH THEM.

You do not trust the EU yet you are hell bent in acomodating their experts to provide you with sanitary certificates for Exports. You do not trust them but still demand to send 2 TC MPs in Brussels. You do not trust them but want to have direct trade and direct flights to them.

Pyro - you are obviously from another planet - you are not able to figure out that people take actions at various levels.
The majority of TCs do not hold RoC passports for a start, and those that do, how many of them took the time to vote in GC elections or insist they should be able to? Does that suggest they really care about the RoC or have they just used a piece of GC PR for practical purposes of direct travel that has been unjustly denied them?
The practicalities of trading direct agricultural products require EU certificates - why not work to get the administration to accept them?
If RoC is meant to represent the whole of Cyprus, then surely a representation needs to be made from the TC side also, this shows the hypocracy of RoC not actually representing TCs.

The bottom line is, that without all the priveledges of the integration into the global bodies, TCs have chosen leaders that likely distance them further from utilising RoC channels.

In addition, can you think of any examples of people voting to wipe out all their leaders for a body not culturally associated with them nor showing any interest in their well-being and ensuring their cultural integrity without the imminent threat of death and annihilation?

It's intersting to think in the abstract and work through ideas oft not thought about, so thanks for the idea, unfortunately on earth when dealing with humans, you probably have to weight a larger range of issues beyond the simple economic ones.

[Byron]

The northern part of Cyprus is ALREADY EU territory Georgios. ALL EU decisions consider the administration in the north as subordinate to Turkey, even the recent decision for the compensation committe consider that as instrument of Turkey.
On what grounds do you think the TCs want direct trade with the EU? Because they are something special or because they know they are actually EU territory like the rest of Cyprus?

So the question is why should Turkey continue hold control of an EU territory, (don't even think of the possibility of Turkey to try annexation). The excuse the've been giving so far was for the safety of the TCs. This excuse goes away if the northern part is handled over to Brussels and the Anan Plan demilitarisation scheme is put on work.

Of course there are the stupid nationalistic masses in Turkey who think they "got Cyprus" and that can't be "lost". That's why the wole deal will be staged to appear as agreement between the TCs and the EU to which Turkey simply agreed.

The Occupied North of Cyprus is for the time being excluded from EU !
Otherwise wht would the TC's want direct trade !
Anyway the EU is not interested at all in Cyprus.

[Get Real!]

Anyway the EU is not interested at all in Cyprus.

That's like saying "The US is not interested in Nebraska"!

[Tim Drayton]

Anyway the EU is not interested at all in Cyprus.

That's like saying "The US is not interested in Nebraska"!

Ne ... where?

[Viewpoint]

Why should Turkey abandone us without an agreed solution?

You said it VP. Agreed solution impossible. And it will not really abandon you from one day to another.

Look at the facts:
The so called "trnc" is considered a puppet administration of Turkey.
By it's own nature this administration does not operate according to EU laws, in fact it is based on theft and exploitation of GC properties and appartheit. Replace this administration by some government appointed directly from Brussels and part of the problem gets solved. At first this government will deal with governing as per EU laws without touching the property/settlement issue.These issues will start getting resolved after the first year.

Then comes the matter of security.Turkish troops are here presumably for your safety. There will be a de-militarisation schedule as per Anan Plan that will provide enough security for the next 6 years or so. During this period the property and settlement issue will also be resolved. So when the de-militarisation gets complete there won't be any reason for any disputes/troubles.

There are multiple merits for this "solution".
a)You don't get subject to GC control but directly to Brussels.
b)Turkey gets rid of the headache of Cyprus and heads towards her EU road without any problems.
c)You become 100% EU citizens immediately, with absolutely no restrictions. Direct Trade, direct flights you name it.
d)When everything gets completed, those functions of the 2 administrative parts (ROC administration + the Brussels appointed in the north) that are common and directly related to EU matters get joined easily in a common say "ministry" and that "ministry" forms the skeleton of the new Fed Government. Completing the skeleton will be a matter of agreement between the 2 communities, which at that point would rather be a matter of common sense rather than tough negotiations.

That's all.

SOLUTION!! 8)

Good effort but you forget that Turkey is in no real rush to enter the EU, thats what you have to understand.

I could answer each of the points you have raised individually but I think you will understand where I am coming from if I ask you why should I trust Brussels to do the right thing? the TCs do not trust them one iota they have failed them on many ocassions and never kept to their word. With Turkey out of the equation and the GC influence in the EU how do you think we would feel? exposed and very vunerable to indirect domination yet again by GCs hell bent on taking control of the whole island by getting rid of Turkey our only real ally to date.

So you do not trust the GCs while the majority of you hold RoC passports and IDs and voted yes to the "unification" plan WITH THEM.

You do not trust the EU yet you are hell bent in acomodating their experts to provide you with sanitary certificates for Exports. You do not trust them but still demand to send 2 TC MPs in Brussels. You do not trust them but want to have direct trade and direct flights to them.

You dont have trust them to benefit, its when your asked to throw your future in the refuge can when you say hold on I dont want this.

When has the EU made good on any of the shit they have promised, they are considered a joke in the TRNC and people dont take them seriously, we only deal with them out of common courtesy.

[Viewpoint]

Now you tell me what's wrong with this solution. Do you prefer the Eroglu government or some government appointed directly from Brussels? Tony Blair might be your minister of Exterior..

I would be opposed to the idea, why cant the TCs adminster the north just as the GCs are adminstering the south, would you be prepared to hand over the south to Tony Blair?

a)Because on top level it is a subordinate administration to Turkey
b)Because its legal basis is not according to the Aquis

If the RoC was at the same mess like the pseudo, then yes I would accept.

You are the ones that consider us a mess because you are on the other side of the fence and this is only to be expected but the UN EU UK USA take us a bit more seriously than what you want to believe, the mere fact that we are the other side in any referendum and our yes or no carries just as much weight as yours must prove that we can also run the North in the interim period, if GCs are will to hand over power and control in the south then I would do the same in the north, do we have a deal?

[Pyrpolizer]

Why should Turkey abandone us without an agreed solution?

You said it VP. Agreed solution impossible. And it will not really abandon you from one day to another.

Look at the facts:
The so called "trnc" is considered a puppet administration of Turkey.
By it's own nature this administration does not operate according to EU laws, in fact it is based on theft and exploitation of GC properties and appartheit. Replace this administration by some government appointed directly from Brussels and part of the problem gets solved. At first this government will deal with governing as per EU laws without touching the property/settlement issue.These issues will start getting resolved after the first year.

Then comes the matter of security.Turkish troops are here presumably for your safety. There will be a de-militarisation schedule as per Anan Plan that will provide enough security for the next 6 years or so. During this period the property and settlement issue will also be resolved. So when the de-militarisation gets complete there won't be any reason for any disputes/troubles.

There are multiple merits for this "solution".
a)You don't get subject to GC control but directly to Brussels.
b)Turkey gets rid of the headache of Cyprus and heads towards her EU road without any problems.
c)You become 100% EU citizens immediately, with absolutely no restrictions. Direct Trade, direct flights you name it.
d)When everything gets completed, those functions of the 2 administrative parts (ROC administration + the Brussels appointed in the north) that are common and directly related to EU matters get joined easily in a common say "ministry" and that "ministry" forms the skeleton of the new Fed Government. Completing the skeleton will be a matter of agreement between the 2 communities, which at that point would rather be a matter of common sense rather than tough negotiations.

That's all.

SOLUTION!! 8)

Good effort but you forget that Turkey is in no real rush to enter the EU, thats what you have to understand.

I could answer each of the points you have raised individually but I think you will understand where I am coming from if I ask you why should I trust Brussels to do the right thing? the TCs do not trust them one iota they have failed them on many ocassions and never kept to their word. With Turkey out of the equation and the GC influence in the EU how do you think we would feel? exposed and very vunerable to indirect domination yet again by GCs hell bent on taking control of the whole island by getting rid of Turkey our only real ally to date.

So you do not trust the GCs while the majority of you hold RoC passports and IDs and voted yes to the "unification" plan WITH THEM.

You do not trust the EU yet you are hell bent in acomodating their experts to provide you with sanitary certificates for Exports. You do not trust them but still demand to send 2 TC MPs in Brussels. You do not trust them but want to have direct trade and direct flights to them.

You dont have trust them to benefit, its when your asked to throw your future in the refuge can when you say hold on I dont want this.

When has the EU made good on any of the shit they have promised, they are considered a joke in the TRNC and people dont take them seriously, we only deal with them out of common courtesy.

I wonder when you will ever stop speaking as if you are the total sum of TCs+Settlers.

TCs do not trust this, do not trust that, they only trust Turkey....

btw the EU never promised you anything.Some paid crooks like Verhoigen did and you were fools to beleive them. They had no authority to make promises anyway. EU is US the GCs too you know...

[Pyrpolizer]

Now you tell me what's wrong with this solution. Do you prefer the Eroglu government or some government appointed directly from Brussels? Tony Blair might be your minister of Exterior..

I would be opposed to the idea, why cant the TCs adminster the north just as the GCs are adminstering the south, would you be prepared to hand over the south to Tony Blair?

a)Because on top level it is a subordinate administration to Turkey
b)Because its legal basis is not according to the Aquis

If the RoC was at the same mess like the pseudo, then yes I would accept.

You are the ones that consider us a mess because you are on the other side of the fence and this is only to be expected but the UN EU UK USA take us a bit more seriously than what you want to believe, the mere fact that we are the other side in any referendum and our yes or no carries just as much weight as yours must prove that we can also run the North in the interim period, if GCs are will to hand over power and control in the south then I would do the same in the north, do we have a deal?

You wished!

Like it or not you are powerless pawns in the hands of Turkey. And you do not run anything, you just do as Turkey says. Even the letter Eroglu send to the UN was prepared by Bayis in advance. Read todays papers.

And yes you are in a mess, i jump over the fence very regularly and i see with my own eyes. Not admitting it does not make it go away.