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[Pyrpolizer]

The northern part of Cyprus is ALREADY EU territory Georgios. ALL EU decisions consider the administration in the north as subordinate to Turkey, even the recent decision for the compensation committe consider that as instrument of Turkey.
On what grounds do you think the TCs want direct trade with the EU? Because they are something special or because they know they are actually EU territory like the rest of Cyprus?

So the question is why should Turkey continue hold control of an EU territory, (don't even think of the possibility of Turkey to try annexation). The excuse the've been giving so far was for the safety of the TCs. This excuse goes away if the northern part is handled over to Brussels and the Anan Plan demilitarisation scheme is put on work.

Of course there are the stupid nationalistic masses in Turkey who think they "got Cyprus" and that can't be "lost". That's why the wole deal will be staged to appear as agreement between the TCs and the EU to which Turkey simply agreed.

[georgios100]

The northern part of Cyprus is ALREADY EU territory Georgios. ALL EU decisions consider the administration in the north as subordinate to Turkey, even the recent decision for the compensation committe consider that as instrument of Turkey.
On what grounds do you think the TCs want direct trade with the EU? Because they are something special or because they know they are actually EU territory like the rest of Cyprus?

So the question is why should Turkey continue hold control of an EU territory, (don't even think of the possibility of Turkey to try annexation). The excuse the've been giving so far was for the safety of the TCs. This excuse goes away if the northern part is handled over to Brussels and the Anan Plan demilitarisation scheme is put on work.

Of course there are the stupid nationalistic masses in Turkey who think they "got Cyprus" and that can't be "lost". That's why the wole deal will be staged to appear as agreement between the TCs and the EU to which Turkey simply agreed.

Geographically, the north is EU land, ONLY.
What if no solution if reached? What is EU going to do? What will Turkey do?

I know and you know, the TC "administration" will never submit to Brussels without Turkey's approval. Brussels cannot accept control of the north = recognition of occupied EU territory. The TCs "worry" about security, hence the troops. The Turks have been saying all along... no solution, no troop withdrawal. So, forget Brussels.

Turkey is good at "pazaria". EU give something to Turkey, so Turkey gives something to EU. End of story.

Have no illusions... Turkeys accession hopes are low... so is the solution.
Georgios100

[Pyrpolizer]

The northern part of Cyprus is ALREADY EU territory Georgios. ALL EU decisions consider the administration in the north as subordinate to Turkey, even the recent decision for the compensation committe consider that as instrument of Turkey.
On what grounds do you think the TCs want direct trade with the EU? Because they are something special or because they know they are actually EU territory like the rest of Cyprus?

So the question is why should Turkey continue hold control of an EU territory, (don't even think of the possibility of Turkey to try annexation). The excuse the've been giving so far was for the safety of the TCs. This excuse goes away if the northern part is handled over to Brussels and the Anan Plan demilitarisation scheme is put on work.

Of course there are the stupid nationalistic masses in Turkey who think they "got Cyprus" and that can't be "lost". That's why the wole deal will be staged to appear as agreement between the TCs and the EU to which Turkey simply agreed.

Geographically, the north is EU land, ONLY.
What if no solution if reached? What is EU going to do? What will Turkey do?

I know and you know, the TC "administration" will never submit to Brussels without Turkey's approval. Brussels cannot accept control of the north = recognition of occupied EU territory. The TCs "worry" about security, hence the troops. The Turks have been saying all along... no solution, no troop withdrawal. So, forget Brussels.

Turkey is good at "pazaria". EU give something to Turkey, so Turkey gives something to EU. End of story.

Have no illusions... Turkeys accession hopes are low... so is the solution.
Georgios100

Obviously someone has to push things if this path towards a solution materializes. The one who could push it is either the RoC or the EU or the TCs themselves.
Imo all this fuss in the EU for direct trade is actually an effort by them to take over the situation.The Roc will never consent to such development while there is an illegal regime in the north. So the only way out is for Brussels to take full control of the north, not just control of the direct trade. I beleive once the idea is spread among the TCs we will have a new wave of 80,000 people in the streets... Just imagine how would you react to such an idea if you were a TC, assuming of course Brussels would be determined to go forward.

Forget about the "trnc" administration. That administration can fall within a week if the TCs or Turkey wants it.

The no agreed solution is already a fact. And it will be cemented with Eroglu.
We have to take alternative paths if we are going to end up to a solution. And pushing for Brussels to take over the north is an alternative path with high possibility for success imo.

[Viewpoint]

Why should Turkey abandone us without an agreed solution?

You said it VP. Agreed solution impossible. And it will not really abandon you from one day to another.

Look at the facts:
The so called "trnc" is considered a puppet administration of Turkey.
By it's own nature this administration does not operate according to EU laws, in fact it is based on theft and exploitation of GC properties and appartheit. Replace this administration by some government appointed directly from Brussels and part of the problem gets solved. At first this government will deal with governing as per EU laws without touching the property/settlement issue.These issues will start getting resolved after the first year.

Then comes the matter of security.Turkish troops are here presumably for your safety. There will be a de-militarisation schedule as per Anan Plan that will provide enough security for the next 6 years or so. During this period the property and settlement issue will also be resolved. So when the de-militarisation gets complete there won't be any reason for any disputes/troubles.

There are multiple merits for this "solution".
a)You don't get subject to GC control but directly to Brussels.
b)Turkey gets rid of the headache of Cyprus and heads towards her EU road without any problems.
c)You become 100% EU citizens immediately, with absolutely no restrictions. Direct Trade, direct flights you name it.
d)When everything gets completed, those functions of the 2 administrative parts (ROC administration + the Brussels appointed in the north) that are common and directly related to EU matters get joined easily in a common say "ministry" and that "ministry" forms the skeleton of the new Fed Government. Completing the skeleton will be a matter of agreement between the 2 communities, which at that point would rather be a matter of common sense rather than tough negotiations.

That's all.

SOLUTION!! 8)

Good effort but you forget that Turkey is in no real rush to enter the EU, thats what you have to understand.

I could answer each of the points you have raised individually but I think you will understand where I am coming from if I ask you why should I trust Brussels to do the right thing? the TCs do not trust them one iota they have failed them on many ocassions and never kept to their word. With Turkey out of the equation and the GC influence in the EU how do you think we would feel? exposed and very vunerable to indirect domination yet again by GCs hell bent on taking control of the whole island by getting rid of Turkey our only real ally to date.

[Viewpoint]

Now you tell me what's wrong with this solution. Do you prefer the Eroglu government or some government appointed directly from Brussels? Tony Blair might be your minister of Exterior..

I would be opposed to the idea, why cant the TCs adminster the north just as the GCs are adminstering the south, would you be prepared to hand over the south to Tony Blair?

[Hatter]

Cy can insist that all permanent members of the UN SC participate. Then you will see the idea of "international conference" go down like a lead baloon.

Yes - Turkey might have stated that Cyprus is top of their Foreign Policy Agenda, but I doubt it tops anyone else's. Not least because no 'bloodshed' is involved in the problem.

I doesn't have to top a country's foreign policy agenda for said country to be strongly interested in participating in such a conference. Foreign policy agendas do not consist of only one item. There are vital geopolitical interests at play in the eastern mediterranean (for example oil off the coast of Cyprus, to mention only one of them).

[B25]

Now you tell me what's wrong with this solution. Do you prefer the Eroglu government or some government appointed directly from Brussels? Tony Blair might be your minister of Exterior..

Whilst you are at it, why don't you ask the EU to do the same for the Kurds and the Asians in Bradford in the UK and Taiwan and anywhere else in the world.

This is a ridiculous idea. Who the hell is brussels to be telling us what to do with our own country?

I am sick of all these compromises we are being offered as suggestions as a way forward.

Well, here is mine;

The UN, EU, UK, US get tough with Turkey.
Demand compliance with the outstanding UN resolutions.
Turkey to be tried for war crimes under the 4th geneva convention for coloniasation of northern cyprus.
Turkey be tried for crimes against humanity for the mass murders rapes and usurpation of GC properties.
Economic and trade sanctions on placed on Turkey. as they did to Iran/Iraq.
Failing compliance military options to be considered and executed.

This is what needs to happen according to the International laws we are all be asked to follow. Nevermind the bollocks about Brussells and playing softly softly arounf Turkey.

Now tell me I am wrong, with facts, links or real evidence as to why this should not happen.

[Acikgoz]

Now you tell me what's wrong with this solution. Do you prefer the Eroglu government or some government appointed directly from Brussels? Tony Blair might be your minister of Exterior..

Whilst you are at it, why don't you ask the EU to do the same for the Kurds and the Asians in Bradford in the UK and Taiwan and anywhere else in the world.

This is a ridiculous idea.

Nothing has transpired to believe that is a desirable outcome for anyone. You must be from another planet, humans are not quite wired in the way you believe they are, Pyro I think they are calling you back to your home planet - your skills are not applicable on earth.

[Viewpoint]

Now you tell me what's wrong with this solution. Do you prefer the Eroglu government or some government appointed directly from Brussels? Tony Blair might be your minister of Exterior..

Whilst you are at it, why don't you ask the EU to do the same for the Kurds and the Asians in Bradford in the UK and Taiwan and anywhere else in the world.

This is a ridiculous idea. Who the hell is brussels to be telling us what to do with our own country?

I am sick of all these compromises we are being offered as suggestions as a way forward.

Well, here is mine;

The UN, EU, UK, US get tough with Turkey.
Demand compliance with the outstanding UN resolutions.
Turkey to be tried for war crimes under the 4th geneva convention for coloniasation of northern cyprus.
Turkey be tried for crimes against humanity for the mass murders rapes and usurpation of GC properties.
Economic and trade sanctions on placed on Turkey. as they did to Iran/Iraq.
Failing compliance military options to be considered and executed.

This is what needs to happen according to the International laws we are all be asked to follow. Nevermind the bollocks about Brussells and playing softly softly arounf Turkey.

Now tell me I am wrong, with facts, links or real evidence as to why this should not happen.

When did pigs start flying?

[Pyrpolizer]

Now you tell me what's wrong with this solution. Do you prefer the Eroglu government or some government appointed directly from Brussels? Tony Blair might be your minister of Exterior..

Whilst you are at it, why don't you ask the EU to do the same for the Kurds and the Asians in Bradford in the UK and Taiwan and anywhere else in the world.

This is a ridiculous idea.

Nothing has transpired to believe that is a desirable outcome for anyone. You must be from another planet, humans are not quite wired in the way you believe they are, Pyro I think they are calling you back to your home planet - your skills are not applicable on earth.

Down to earth all i hear is an administration based on theft and human rights violations thinking it's part of Europe and asking to have direct trade and direct flights, to get out of it's own isolation.