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[Kikapu]

1) The "IPC" thing was the only negative development, but it is counterbalanced by the Orams case which gives the ability to Cyprus courts to convict any of you in a matter of a few weeks. When the negotiations will fail soon due to your intransigence expect our courts working overtime to deal with cases in occupied Cyprus.

2) For the "direct trade" thing you should celebrate when it happens, which of course will be never.

3) Eruglue chosen as the puppet of Turkey is the worst thing that could happen to you. The negotiations were going nowhere because Turkey was uncompromising, and now with Eroglue it will be much easier for the TCs and Turkey to take the blame for their intransigence.

4) RoC has nothing against the average TC and for years is doing everything possible to help them. Don't confuse our war against Turkey and their puppet regime in Cyprus with the will of RoC to serve all its citizens as much as possible.

Your answer at item 4) doesn't add up against:
http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/house ... y/20100423

Please re-read the article and tell me again how you've done "everything possible" to help TCs in the past. Or do you mean everything except this?

Relatively only few TCs will qualify for this, despite many TCs having left property in the south. The problem is, when many TCs were given GC properties in the north after 1974 and were told that Cyprus problem was solved, those TCs did nothing regarding their properties in the south, such as making sure that all their property documents were in order to pass it to their children either before the owners died or soon after. Such properties that would have gone to the owners children through a will or a court probate, which I'm sure it has not been carried out in many cases, therefore, there are no clear records as to who owns the property, other than the original owner, who may be dead now.

More than likely, even some of the children of the original owner are dead, which leaves their children to inherit their grandparents land and property. The only problem is, the original owners were the husband and wife (grandparents), then it was to be their children, and now to many, it is to be the grandchildren. It has gone from 2 persons to as many as 20 right now since 1963, which means, they will all have to agree on what to do with their parents and grandparents land. To complicate matters even more, many of the children of the original TC owners "exchanged" their parents properties in the south to GCs properties in the north, and have given their deeds to the "trnc". If they want to get their properties in the south after going through probate in the RoC courts, they will no doubt will need to give back the GCs properties back to the "trnc" in the north. The problem rises again, since the "trnc" does not want the TCs to gain and sell their properties in the south. The other problem for some of the TCs will also, if they had dealt in stolen GC properties, which is a crime in the RoC.

So, overall, the only TCs who are going to benefit from the new law, are

1. The ones who do not have any GC properties at all, either in "exchange" or direct purchase

2. The original owner is still alive

3. Original owner had passed on his property to his children in a RoC court documented legal way

4. All the remaining alive heirs to the original owner are all in an agreement in what to do with the property

5. Those who did not break the RoC's GCs property laws in the north

6. Need to pay all past taxes due on the properties

If there is any breakage in the chain of full agreement by all the surviving heirs, then it will be very difficult to solve the property issues for the TCs. It may be one of the reasons as to why they would rather keep the GCs property they are now occupying in the north and let their parents/grandparents properties be taken over by the GCs. Even that idea won't be too easy to fulfill for the TCs. In the meantime, I believe many GCs had done exactly what was needed to pass their properties to their children in a legal way through the RoC legal system. The "trnc" cannot be used by the TCs to have had done similarly of the properties in the south through the legal system in the north. There lies the whole problem for the TCs with property in the south.

You wish, believing your own shit again Kikapoooo?

Really.???

Has your mother applied to get her property in the south yet, all 100 Dönüms, and if not, why not.??

Also, where are all the TCs who have property in the south to go and get their land back using the recent changes in the RoC's laws if it's so easy. All they need to do, is to provide proof of ownership of their land..!!

Just by saying "that land over there belonged to my father who is dead now, it all belongs to me now without documents of transfer and so on, specially if you also have/had brothers and sisters, or their children, if they are now dead. All the living heirs will have a stake at the land once belonged to your father. The question is, do you have all the documents that the RoC requires as far as a will or probate hearing documents and the consent from all the living heirs.??

[Pyrpolizer]

You do not even need the documents/Kochans. They make a search in the computer and find everything for you. I think they did that for you Kikapu, didn't they?

All you need to prove is that you are one of the heirs. If there are 32 heirs each one gets a kochan saying he owns 1/32. To sell it all heirs must sign though...

[Kikapu]

You do not even need the documents/Kochans. They make a search in the computer and find everything for you. I think they did that for you Kikapu, didn't they?

All you need to prove is that you are one of the heirs. If there are 32 heirs each one gets a kochan saying he owns 1/32. To sell it all heirs must sign though...

You are correct with the computer search of the deeds, Pyro. My point is, every heir need to agree to what to do with their share of the property and this can only be done through the RoC's legal system. After such a long time since 1963, some of the heirs may well be in other countries and do not have contact with other members of their greater family and without their consent, the rest of the family cannot take ownership of any part of the property left to them by their parents/grandparents. Then you have those in the north who are holding onto GCs properties who do not wish to give it up, will also not agree to get the property back in the south on behalf of those family members who wishes to do so. Many TCs became very complacent with their property in the south and did very little about it in the legal sense to pass it on to the next generation, just because they were made to believe that the Cyprus problem was over and that the north was now their country with their own new land. Those TCs had no reason to do anything with their land in the south for the first 30 years. Now, they have a big mess on their hands. It's no wonder the RoC has changed the rules. Very few TCs will be able to get their land back without too many complications, complications that will arise from the TCs themselves and not from the RoC so much.

[Jerry]

I applied for my late father's property in Bogazi to be transferred to me according to the terms of his will. The application has been made through a lawyer (a relative) in Limassol. After almost two years I am still waiting so I wonder what sort of delay a TC would encounter in transferring inherited property.

[denizaksulu]

I applied for my late father's property in Bogazi to be transferred to me according to the terms of his will. The application has been made through a lawyer (a relative) in Limassol. After almost two years I am still waiting so I wonder what sort of delay a TC would encounter in transferring inherited property.

Three years at easter Jerry. I began almost exactly three years ago. The papers were ready two years ago. It took a year for the land registry to 'rubber-stamp' them. That was in spite of Mr Iacovou personal intervention. (then the High Commisioner of the RoC, London later Foreign minister).

I am sole heir to my father so it was 'easy'!!! We have more properties, which are 'under dispute between uncles and aunts, that will take longer. One a double dipping crook twice over.(complicating matters).

[Bananiot]

If I were a football manager and Piratis was my player I would have sold him for nothing to my arch rival team.

[Jerry]

I applied for my late father's property in Bogazi to be transferred to me according to the terms of his will. The application has been made through a lawyer (a relative) in Limassol. After almost two years I am still waiting so I wonder what sort of delay a TC would encounter in transferring inherited property.

Three years at easter Jerry. I began almost exactly three years ago. The papers were ready two years ago. It took a year for the land registry to 'rubber-stamp' them. That was in spite of Mr Iacovou personal intervention. (then the High Commisioner of the RoC, London later Foreign minister).

I am sole heir to my father so it was 'easy'!!! We have more properties, which are 'under dispute between uncles and aunts, that will take longer. One a double dipping crook twice over.(complicating matters).

So, have you now got possession of your property Deniz? Even if I get my deeds they will be of no use for years pending an agreement or IPC restitution (some hope!). This is what makes me really angry about this property business, I'm a British citizen with a cockney mother and a GC father and so a Greek surname. Whilst I have very strong GC sympathies I cannot by any stretch of the imagination be called a Greek Cypriot but I am not allowed to live in my father's property in Bogazi whereas a cheapskate Brit can.

My cousins inherited a lot of land around Komi Kebir but they appear to have given up on it, I doubt if their British born offspring will be interested in getting it back when their parents have passed on. Turkey has deliberately dragged out a solution to the Cyprus problem with this in mind. I hope many TCs can reclaim what is rightfully theirs and we can show the world what a farce the recent ECHR ruling is.

[denizaksulu]

I applied for my late father's property in Bogazi to be transferred to me according to the terms of his will. The application has been made through a lawyer (a relative) in Limassol. After almost two years I am still waiting so I wonder what sort of delay a TC would encounter in transferring inherited property.

Three years at easter Jerry. I began almost exactly three years ago. The papers were ready two years ago. It took a year for the land registry to 'rubber-stamp' them. That was in spite of Mr Iacovou personal intervention. (then the High Commisioner of the RoC, London later Foreign minister).

I am sole heir to my father so it was 'easy'!!! We have more properties, which are 'under dispute between uncles and aunts, that will take longer. One a double dipping crook twice over.(complicating matters).

So, have you now got possession of your property Deniz? Even if I get my deeds they will be of no use for years pending an agreement or IPC restitution (some hope!). This is what makes me really angry about this property business, I'm a British citizen with a cockney mother and a GC father and so a Greek surname. Whilst I have very strong GC sympathies I cannot by any stretch of the imagination be called a Greek Cypriot but I am not allowed to live in my father's property in Bogazi whereas a cheapskate Brit can.

My cousins inherited a lot of land around Komi Kebir but they appear to have given up on it, I doubt if their British born offspring will be interested in getting it back when their parents have passed on. Turkey has deliberately dragged out a solution to the Cyprus problem with this in mind. I hope many TCs can reclaim what is rightfully theirs and we can show the world what a farce the recent ECHR ruling is.

I am sorry for your problems Jerry. This is what I point out often. TCs can get their own land back in the south, but the same doesnot apply to the GCs in spite of the IPC. Yes I have full rights over the land I have my deeds for. I wish you the best of luck Jerry. Its going to be a long wait. There is no justice, as you say.

[wyoming cowboy]

3) Eruglue chosen as the puppet of Turkey is the worst thing that could happen to you. The negotiations were going nowhere because Turkey was uncompromising, and now with Eroglue it will be much easier for the TCs and Turkey to take the blame for their intransigence.


Exactly my point Piratis, Turkey does not want a solution, if it did the Turks would have compromised, within those two years of negotiations with Christofias.....The ROC is so eager to see something positive out of Turkey that we miss the warning signals that what they really want is a stalemate, and partition.....