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[CBBB]

Off hand, I can think of three plausible explanations for the proportional overrepresentation of foreigners in the prison population in Cyprus:

1- Foreigners, proportionately, commit more crime.

2- The figures are skewed by large numbers of illegal immigrants or failed assylum seekers awaiting deportation included among these numbers.

3- The police target foreigners more, or the courts treat foreigners less leniently.

Perhaps there is some truth in all three of the above propositions, or maybe none of these is the true reason.

Without doing serious analysis into the reasons behind the statistics, it is absolutely meaningless to bandy such figures around.

PS - If there are only a couple of Brits, this means that the Brits are hugely underrepresented in relation to their share of the total population, so this figure actually paints the British residents of Cyprus in a glowing light. Thanks for that.

Prisoners in the Republic of Cyprus were housed in the Nicosia Central Prison. The prison population was very low. In 1990, of 260 inmates, 65 were aliens. Thus, although foreigners constituted only 1 percent of the population, they accounted for 25 percent of the prisoners. Most of these were Middle Easterners convicted of drug trafficking.

http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-3617.html

Actually, just a 5 minute search on British criminal behaviour in Cyprus uncovered the following links:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1 ... 62,6105787

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/artic ... _page_id=2

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/so ... 41577.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/aug/1 ... andalcohol

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/briti ... n/20100105

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... death.html

What is even more disturbing is that I also uncovered 2 instances where British Soldiers stationed in Cyprus were found guilty of murder.

Not to mention the fact that there are some 5,000 Brits who could be charged under RoC law for possessing GC owned land illegally in the non controlled occupied areas!

I would say that Britons committing crime in Cyprus is far disproportionate to the British expat population in Cyprus. Wouldn't you agree?

There are many more, and I am prepared to start a thread if you wish!

Perhaps we should deport them all to the prison colony of Australia like the old days!

[Paphitis]

Seems easy enough to work out does,nt it? If a third of the prison population are foreign then the rest are local or is it not that simple? Those on remand are included I suppose.

Thank you very much. Aside from the British soldiers who are incarcerated for murder, an additional 5,000 warrants can be issued for Brits possessing GC owned property in the non controlled occupied areas.

The RoC's prison system just wouldn't be able to cope!

And with only 260 inmates, crime is still low in Cyprus, so you should be overjoyed for being in Cyprus and not the UK!

Btw the nice group of men that attacked us when we asked them to point their shotguns away from our property which was 50m away, were also NOT charged. In any other country they would have been laid out flat with a squat team and a helicopter flying overhead, But this IS Cyprus

Sorry highjacking thread I,m off now.

Really?

So you are proposing that the RoC Police should unleash the Tactical Response Group with their Military Style Assault Rifles and automatic weapons, and deploy a helicopter just because a group of men, who were probably hunting, had a shotgun in close proximity to residential areas and displayed poor gunmanship skills?

Your own illusions of your self importance is just not important enough to warrant such misuse of Police resources over what is nothing more than a trivial matter.

The RoC Police did their job! They dispatched a patrol with 2 officers, who then probably questioned the individuals about their firearm, and why they were so close to residential areas and probably even gave them a good lecture about proper gunmanship after they checked their firearms licenses and what not.

No country in their right mind would dispatch a Tactical Response Group or Star Force with Chopper over such trivial matters. And quite frankly, if the RoC Police did do this, then you should be criticizing the Police for such a heavy handed response. You should be happy that the RoC Police are not so eager to deploy Tactical Response Teams so readily, because quite frankly, that is not responsible policing.

As to the matter of assault, it really is up to you to lay charges if there was an assault, but then it will also be your word against theirs, so unless you had some evidence, there is nothing much that could be done and I think you know that which is why you never pressed any charges over an alleged incident to begin with. For you, this was just another exaggerated opportunity for you to slander the RoC and its Police Force!

[Milo]

Seems easy enough to work out does,nt it? If a third of the prison population are foreign then the rest are local or is it not that simple? Those on remand are included I suppose.

Btw the nice group of men that attacked us when we asked them to point their shotguns away from our property which was 50m away, were also NOT charged. In any other country they would have been laid out flat with a squat team and a helicopter flying overhead, But this IS Cyprus

Sorry highjacking thread I,m off now.

Most Cypriot police are short?

Ooooops I meant SWAT of course, I am under 5ft myself so always think everyone is at my level

[cyprusgrump]

No country in their right mind would dispatch a Tactical Response Group or Star Force with Chopper over such trivial matters.

The UK does it on a regular basis....

[Tim Drayton]

Off hand, I can think of three plausible explanations for the proportional overrepresentation of foreigners in the prison population in Cyprus:

1- Foreigners, proportionately, commit more crime.

2- The figures are skewed by large numbers of illegal immigrants or failed assylum seekers awaiting deportation included among these numbers.

3- The police target foreigners more, or the courts treat foreigners less leniently.

Perhaps there is some truth in all three of the above propositions, or maybe none of these is the true reason.

Without doing serious analysis into the reasons behind the statistics, it is absolutely meaningless to bandy such figures around.

PS - If there are only a couple of Brits, this means that the Brits are hugely underrepresented in relation to their share of the total population, so this figure actually paints the British residents of Cyprus in a glowing light. Thanks for that.

Prisoners in the Republic of Cyprus were housed in the Nicosia Central Prison. The prison population was very low. In 1990, of 260 inmates, 65 were aliens. Thus, although foreigners constituted only 1 percent of the population, they accounted for 25 percent of the prisoners. Most of these were Middle Easterners convicted of drug trafficking.

http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-3617.html

Actually, just a 5 minute search on British criminal behaviour in Cyprus uncovered the following links:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1 ... 62,6105787

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/artic ... _page_id=2

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/so ... 41577.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/aug/1 ... andalcohol

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/briti ... n/20100105

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... death.html

What is even more disturbing is that I also uncovered 2 instances where British Soldiers stationed in Cyprus were found guilty of murder.

Not to mention the fact that there are some 5,000 Brits who could be charged under RoC law for possessing GC owned land illegally in the non controlled occupied areas!

I would say that Britons committing crime in Cyprus is far disproportionate to the British expat population in Cyprus. Wouldn't you agree?

There are many more, and I am prepared to start a thread if you wish!

Start a thread if it makes you happy. I live here and know full well that the suggestion that British permanent residents commit a disproportionate amount of crime in Cyprus is totally ludicrous.

[Tim Drayton]

Off hand, I can think of three plausible explanations for the proportional overrepresentation of foreigners in the prison population in Cyprus:

1- Foreigners, proportionately, commit more crime.

2- The figures are skewed by large numbers of illegal immigrants or failed assylum seekers awaiting deportation included among these numbers.

3- The police target foreigners more, or the courts treat foreigners less leniently.

Perhaps there is some truth in all three of the above propositions, or maybe none of these is the true reason.

Without doing serious analysis into the reasons behind the statistics, it is absolutely meaningless to bandy such figures around.

PS - If there are only a couple of Brits, this means that the Brits are hugely underrepresented in relation to their share of the total population, so this figure actually paints the British residents of Cyprus in a glowing light. Thanks for that.

Prisoners in the Republic of Cyprus were housed in the Nicosia Central Prison. The prison population was very low. In 1990, of 260 inmates, 65 were aliens. Thus, although foreigners constituted only 1 percent of the population, they accounted for 25 percent of the prisoners. Most of these were Middle Easterners convicted of drug trafficking.

http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-3617.html

Actually, just a 5 minute search on British criminal behaviour in Cyprus uncovered the following links:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1 ... 62,6105787

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/artic ... _page_id=2

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/so ... 41577.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/aug/1 ... andalcohol

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/briti ... n/20100105

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... death.html

What is even more disturbing is that I also uncovered 2 instances where British Soldiers stationed in Cyprus were found guilty of murder.

Not to mention the fact that there are some 5,000 Brits who could be charged under RoC law for possessing GC owned land illegally in the non controlled occupied areas!

I would say that Britons committing crime in Cyprus is far disproportionate to the British expat population in Cyprus. Wouldn't you agree?

There are many more, and I am prepared to start a thread if you wish!

PS The last two links in your list refer to the same incident.

[Tim Drayton]

Just checked the first of Paphitis' links purportedly referring to criminal activity by British residents of the Republic of Cyprus, with the shock headline:

"Cypriot slain by Britons"

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1 ... 62,6105787

If you check the article, you will see that it dates from 1956 and refers to a killing committed by the British army at the time of the EOKA campaign. If you are you including such incidents among your data, you had better precisely define the scope of your allegations, because the RoC did not exist in 1956. Better still, maybe you should attend a basic literacy course first and come back to this forum once you have learned to read properly.

[Tim Drayton]

Just checked all of Paphitis' links. The first one refers to an incident from the time of the EOKA campaig in the 1950's, the second, fourth, fifth and sixth to offences committed by British tourists (the fifth and sixth being different articles about the same incident) and number three to a crime committed by British soldiers stationed in Cyprus.

So go on then, champ, dig up some dirt on British permanent residents of the RoC, or else do us a favour and devote you efforts to something that better suits your talents. Start a thread if you will, and make an ever bigger fool of yourself.

[Tim Drayton]

Just done a quick search on Australians who get arrested while holidaying abroad. Shock ... horror ... it seems some of these sqeaky clean people do naughty things while on holiday (note for the mentally challenged: this sentence involves irony). Just look at the figures:

http://www.news.com.au/more-aussie-tour ... 5713844463

THE number of Australians arrested overseas is expected to surpass 1000 this year, say experts.

And merely the headline of the following article says it all:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/au ... 5692836512

Aussies abroad: it's an ugly picture

The simple truth is that there exist criminal and socially deviant elements in all societies, and any country that experiences mass foreign tourism is going to find that some of its citizens fall foul of the law in the countries to which they travel. So relax. I am not going to start some half-brained thread full of lurid examples of Aussie excess and misbehaviour in foreign lands.

[YFred]

Just done a quick search on Australians who get arrested while holidaying abroad. Shock ... horror ... it seems some of these sqeaky clean people do naughty things while on holiday (note for the mentally challenged: this sentence involves irony). Just look at the figures:

http://www.news.com.au/more-aussie-tour ... 5713844463

THE number of Australians arrested overseas is expected to surpass 1000 this year, say experts.

And merely the headline of the following article says it all:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/au ... 5692836512

Aussies abroad: it's an ugly picture

The simple truth is that there exist criminal and socially deviant elements in all societies, and any country that experiences mass foreign tourism is going to find that some of its citizens fall foul of the law in the countries to which they travel. So relax. I am not going to start some half-brained thread full of lurid examples of Aussie excess and misbehaviour in foreign lands.

Tim, tell Puffidobullo to get stuffed. That's the only language he understands.