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[Get Real!]

Land/property in Cyprus can be used as collateral for the various types of loans (personal, commercial, mortgage, etc) and can swap hands with or without title deeds, so this “deed corruption” story has been blown out of proportion!

Basically, Cypriots gave up chasing after deeds because it did not impede them from enjoying or taking advantage of land/property and that’s why we’ve now got a huge pile of unprocessed deeds.

The dept of land & admin was happy with the public’s attitude because it meant less work for them and there was no pressure on them to process for transactions to take place, so the applications just kept piling up!

[Milo]

Sadly in the RoC many foreign buyers have been sold a lie, the Developers now being chastised in public are scrambling about looking for others to blame, the targets this week being dark forces in the north infiltrating the british/foreign buyers, yeh right

Google Is it safe to buy in Cyprus, and nearly as many now come up for the RoC as the north its being classed as one big no go area to purchase in, which is patently wrong. The British FO now give as big a warning to buying in the South with its inherent problems, as the illegal aspects of buying in the north.

That is why you have disgruntled British, who thank god are not about to go without a fight in courts, even though it is taking upto ten years to get their money back from unscrupulous people. Just google Leptos Developers one of the biggest on the island big problems, then look for at least fifteen more all with more clients in dire straights because the Developer don,t know how to stop being greedy. Tapes of conversations of death threats are in 'other' hands now as Police cannot be trusted to investigate these, as maybe they two are 'in' with the Developer/Lawyers I know far too many stories that are in the extreme all from the RoC, never mind those that just have minor problems like shoddy workmanship.

So yes, they are more than unhappy and many are trapped here and wish to go now and those that may have been unaffected will think twice about staying, hopefully not, but most cannot walk away from a lifetimes savings, its big, its widespread,its being published, and its polluting to an island that I agree does not deserve it. But its the TRUTH.

No help from the govt as yet although we have discussions on the Title Deeds in parliament as we speak, we shall see, the first EVER Lawyer in Cyprus has been finally sued by another Cypriot Lawyer for bad practice in the purchase of yet another British couple who bought way back in 1999. They have as yet to recieve the compensation

Do you think that those that 'moan' are just making it up?

They are angry, they are pissed off, and they wrongly believe imo that all of Cyprus is out to get them.

Not me, I have,nt had many property problems although I do some work for those that have, I am giving it up as its too distressing and there is NO help for these poor people. If Cypriots who are in the majority of buyers recently, start losing their properties things will hopefully change for the better, maybe at the moment they feel safer, but maybe not, many joined the CPAG as they too were experiencing problems, some unwilling to let the Developer know for fear of recriminations. Fact.

Many may have gone to the north once selling their properties here, I know of a couple, I beg them to rethink, but they don,t care, they are jumping from one problem never to be resolved, to another never to be resolved. They believe they were not protected here in the South, so have lost their belief in the Souths struggle. Its not difficult to lose faith in a country. We know that only too well.

Btw I live near the Green Line, take my numerous visitors over and go ourselves often, as its a stunningly unspoilt part of Cyprus without the Development that has scarred the South.

Maybe you should tell the GC,s who take numerous coachloads of tourists over daily in the season to cease, and then remind the large amounts of GC cars going over at night to maybe have a little dabble, to stay here, as I think they too will rightly tell you to push off.

You do not live here, you do not know.

Don,t expect people who have a gripe with Cyprus to not come on this Forum and speak their mind anymore than you and many others do on a daily basis. As they will and I predict it will be more. These are not those that have trouble with the exchange rate these are buyers who have been ripped off a much used expression in Cyprus lately, but ask yourself why, are maybe 30,000 plus people wrong or maybe a few thousand greedy suited and booted businessmen. Get rid of them and the problem properly addressed by the RoC govt, and we have harmony.

This has never been about dissing a country, its about dissing those in it that saw us a their ticket to the mercedes showroom. It was never like this in the 80,s, so maybe more than you had rose tinted specs on.

The British are able to see the wrong in their country and voice it without any trouble, unless racist comments, few would disagree on what is gone wrong with the UK but are not 'allowed' to voice their opinions on Cyprus. There are those on here who can never see the big picture and always use the trump card which few would argue with on the Cyprus problem, then resort to name calling and racist comments in order to cover up what is going wrong here. I find that a twisted form of patriotism that does,nt help Cyprus move forward. I,m just glad that many Cypriots do not think like you, they are fed up with others bismirching the previous good name of Cyprus, many know why and who is reponsible.

The British did NOT build or buy land all over Cyprus, the Cypriots sold it, the Cypriots developed it, the Cypriots marketed abroad, and the Cypriot Lawyers etc etc etc joined in the feeding trough. Trouble is they needed buyers, thats where we all came in........

[CBBB]

Sadly in the RoC many foreign buyers have been sold a lie, the Developers now being chastised in public are scrambling about looking for others to blame, the targets this week being dark forces in the north infiltrating the british/foreign buyers, yeh right

Google Is it safe to buy in Cyprus, and nearly as many now come up for the RoC as the north its being classed as one big no go area to purchase in, which is patently wrong. The British FO now give as big a warning to buying in the South with its inherent problems, as the illegal aspects of buying in the north.

That is why you have disgruntled British, who thank god are not about to go without a fight in courts, even though it is taking upto ten years to get their money back from unscrupulous people. Just google Leptos Developers one of the biggest on the island big problems, then look for at least fifteen more all with more clients in dire straights because the Developer don,t know how to stop being greedy. Tapes of conversations of death threats are in 'other' hands now as Police cannot be trusted to investigate these, as maybe they two are 'in' with the Developer/Lawyers I know far too many stories that are in the extreme all from the RoC, never mind those that just have minor problems like shoddy workmanship.

So yes, they are more than unhappy and many are trapped here and wish to go now and those that may have been unaffected will think twice about staying, hopefully not, but most cannot walk away from a lifetimes savings, its big, its widespread,its being published, and its polluting to an island that I agree does not deserve it. But its the TRUTH.

No help from the govt as yet although we have discussions on the Title Deeds in parliament as we speak, we shall see, the first EVER Lawyer in Cyprus has been finally sued by another Cypriot Lawyer for bad practice in the purchase of yet another British couple who bought way back in 1999. They have as yet to recieve the compensation

Do you think that those that 'moan' are just making it up?

They are angry, they are pissed off, and they wrongly believe imo that all of Cyprus is out to get them.

Not me, I have,nt had many property problems although I do some work for those that have, I am giving it up as its too distressing and there is NO help for these poor people. If Cypriots who are in the majority of buyers recently, start losing their properties things will hopefully change for the better, maybe at the moment they feel safer, but maybe not, many joined the CPAG as they too were experiencing problems, some unwilling to let the Developer know for fear of recriminations. Fact.

Many may have gone to the north once selling their properties here, I know of a couple, I beg them to rethink, but they don,t care, they are jumping from one problem never to be resolved, to another never to be resolved. They believe they were not protected here in the South, so have lost their belief in the Souths struggle. Its not difficult to lose faith in a country. We know that only too well.

Btw I live near the Green Line, take my numerous visitors over and go ourselves often, as its a stunningly unspoilt part of Cyprus without the Development that has scarred the South.

Maybe you should tell the GC,s who take numerous coachloads of tourists over daily in the season to cease, and then remind the large amounts of GC cars going over at night to maybe have a little dabble, to stay here, as I think they too will rightly tell you to push off.

You do not live here, you do not know.

Don,t expect people who have a gripe with Cyprus to not come on this Forum and speak their mind anymore than you and many others do on a daily basis. As they will and I predict it will be more. These are not those that have trouble with the exchange rate these are buyers who have been ripped off a much used expression in Cyprus lately, but ask yourself why, are maybe 30,000 plus people wrong or maybe a few thousand greedy suited and booted businessmen. Get rid of them and the problem properly addressed by the RoC govt, and we have harmony.

This has never been about dissing a country, its about dissing those in it that saw us a their ticket to the mercedes showroom. It was never like this in the 80,s, so maybe more than you had rose tinted specs on.

The British are able to see the wrong in their country and voice it without any trouble, unless racist comments, few would disagree on what is gone wrong with the UK but are not 'allowed' to voice their opinions on Cyprus. There are those on here who can never see the big picture and always use the trump card which few would argue with on the Cyprus problem, then resort to name calling and racist comments in order to cover up what is going wrong here. I find that a twisted form of patriotism that does,nt help Cyprus move forward. I,m just glad that many Cypriots do not think like you, they are fed up with others bismirching the previous good name of Cyprus, many know why and who is reponsible.

The British did NOT build or buy land all over Cyprus, the Cypriots sold it, the Cypriots developed it, the Cypriots marketed abroad, and the Cypriot Lawyers etc etc etc joined in the feeding trough. Trouble is they needed buyers, thats where we all came in........

You should have all done more research, not come here wearing blindfolds!

Two of my sons have bought property here with absolutely no problem at all. I know many others didn't have any problems, apart from having to wait to get their deeds. Things are slow, but they happen in the end! This is ONE of the great thing about Cyprus.

[apc2010]

Sadly in the RoC many foreign buyers have been sold a lie, the Developers now being chastised in public are scrambling about looking for others to blame, the targets this week being dark forces in the north infiltrating the british/foreign buyers, yeh right

Google Is it safe to buy in Cyprus, and nearly as many now come up for the RoC as the north its being classed as one big no go area to purchase in, which is patently wrong. The British FO now give as big a warning to buying in the South with its inherent problems, as the illegal aspects of buying in the north.

That is why you have disgruntled British, who thank god are not about to go without a fight in courts, even though it is taking upto ten years to get their money back from unscrupulous people. Just google Leptos Developers one of the biggest on the island big problems, then look for at least fifteen more all with more clients in dire straights because the Developer don,t know how to stop being greedy. Tapes of conversations of death threats are in 'other' hands now as Police cannot be trusted to investigate these, as maybe they two are 'in' with the Developer/Lawyers I know far too many stories that are in the extreme all from the RoC, never mind those that just have minor problems like shoddy workmanship.

So yes, they are more than unhappy and many are trapped here and wish to go now and those that may have been unaffected will think twice about staying, hopefully not, but most cannot walk away from a lifetimes savings, its big, its widespread,its being published, and its polluting to an island that I agree does not deserve it. But its the TRUTH.

No help from the govt as yet although we have discussions on the Title Deeds in parliament as we speak, we shall see, the first EVER Lawyer in Cyprus has been finally sued by another Cypriot Lawyer for bad practice in the purchase of yet another British couple who bought way back in 1999. They have as yet to recieve the compensation

Do you think that those that 'moan' are just making it up?

They are angry, they are pissed off, and they wrongly believe imo that all of Cyprus is out to get them.

Not me, I have,nt had many property problems although I do some work for those that have, I am giving it up as its too distressing and there is NO help for these poor people. If Cypriots who are in the majority of buyers recently, start losing their properties things will hopefully change for the better, maybe at the moment they feel safer, but maybe not, many joined the CPAG as they too were experiencing problems, some unwilling to let the Developer know for fear of recriminations. Fact.

Many may have gone to the north once selling their properties here, I know of a couple, I beg them to rethink, but they don,t care, they are jumping from one problem never to be resolved, to another never to be resolved. They believe they were not protected here in the South, so have lost their belief in the Souths struggle. Its not difficult to lose faith in a country. We know that only too well.

Btw I live near the Green Line, take my numerous visitors over and go ourselves often, as its a stunningly unspoilt part of Cyprus without the Development that has scarred the South.

Maybe you should tell the GC,s who take numerous coachloads of tourists over daily in the season to cease, and then remind the large amounts of GC cars going over at night to maybe have a little dabble, to stay here, as I think they too will rightly tell you to push off.

You do not live here, you do not know.

Don,t expect people who have a gripe with Cyprus to not come on this Forum and speak their mind anymore than you and many others do on a daily basis. As they will and I predict it will be more. These are not those that have trouble with the exchange rate these are buyers who have been ripped off a much used expression in Cyprus lately, but ask yourself why, are maybe 30,000 plus people wrong or maybe a few thousand greedy suited and booted businessmen. Get rid of them and the problem properly addressed by the RoC govt, and we have harmony.

This has never been about dissing a country, its about dissing those in it that saw us a their ticket to the mercedes showroom. It was never like this in the 80,s, so maybe more than you had rose tinted specs on.

The British are able to see the wrong in their country and voice it without any trouble, unless racist comments, few would disagree on what is gone wrong with the UK but are not 'allowed' to voice their opinions on Cyprus. There are those on here who can never see the big picture and always use the trump card which few would argue with on the Cyprus problem, then resort to name calling and racist comments in order to cover up what is going wrong here. I find that a twisted form of patriotism that does,nt help Cyprus move forward. I,m just glad that many Cypriots do not think like you, they are fed up with others bismirching the previous good name of Cyprus, many know why and who is reponsible.

The British did NOT build or buy land all over Cyprus, the Cypriots sold it, the Cypriots developed it, the Cypriots marketed abroad, and the Cypriot Lawyers etc etc etc joined in the feeding trough. Trouble is they needed buyers, thats where we all came in........

You should have all done more research, not come here wearing blindfolds!

Two of my sons have bought property here with absolutely no problem at all. I know many others didn't have any problems, apart from having to wait to get their deeds. Things are slow, but they happen in the end! This is ONE of the great thing about Cyprus.

Have to agree , I know of people on a one week holiday (1st time) who have bought properties, I have spent longer researching buying a laptop.

[Svetlana]

I have documented previously my personal problems regarding the potential loss of my home - a situation I know another 100 owners are currently facing because of the lack of legal protection here.

I certainly did not regard myself as naive or rushing into things without research and consideration. Indeed, it was the third property I had bought and I used a well established lawyer, whom had been practising here for many years.

I have incurred costs of over €25,000 in an effort to retain what is mine - an incredible situation in a modern European country.

But....the good news is, I heard today, that I MAY be taking a trip to Land Registry in the next week or so; then i will just need to find a further €xx,xxx to pay my Property Transfer Tax - oh joy!

[CBBB]

I have documented previously my personal problems regarding the potential loss of my home - a situation I know another 100 owners are currently facing because of the lack of legal protection here.

I certainly did not regard myself as naive or rushing into things without research and consideration. Indeed, it was the third property I had bought and I used a well established lawyer, whom had been practising here for many years.

I have incurred costs of over €25,000 in an effort to retain what is mine - an incredible situation in a modern European country.

But....the good news is, I heard today, that I MAY be taking a trip to Land Registry in the next week or so; then i will just need to find a further €xx,xxx to pay my Property Transfer Tax - oh joy!

Sue the lawyer for your costs. It might take a few years, but what fun!

[Svetlana]

The fault lies not with the lawyer, but with the lengthy delay in the availability of Title Deeds. ( I bought a rice field in Sri Lanka, this week and TD were 'instant' - yet I would not advocate that country as a model of efficiency in the area of administration!).

So, while I waited years for my, developer goes out of business owing vast amounts of money - and his assets ie deeds are now being sought by his Creditors. The Law, is, plainly, an ass - or in this case, a donkey...

[Paphitis]

There are no 'quality' Brits in occupied Cyprus.

Do avoid sweeping statements. You may find one or two people in the north who:

1. Have no choice over holding a British passport.

2. Have worked hard to make a difference by helping Cypriots.

Now here is a quality Brit!

[Milo]

I know another 100 owners are currently facing because of the lack of legal protection here.

I certainly did not regard myself as naive or rushing into things without research and consideration. I have incurred costs of over €25,000 in an effort to retain what is mine - an incredible situation in a modern European country.

Good news Lana, but not right that you had to do so in the first place, fight and pay for that fight for what was already yours. Will the other owners be so lucky?

Its a frustrating and worrying situation for thousands now, more than many know, and thats only the ones that have been quantified.

To the other poster who accused me of not doing my homework, I did but when I came to sell my kind Developer who as we all know hang onto Deeds for devious reasons would not allow the sale to go thru until we had 'bunged' him £5k. Not the sort of thing thats widely known extortion is it? Perhaps they keep it quiet?? We had a capped amount in our contract too, made no difference. When the last cheque payment was paid by the new buyer, and passed onto me by my 'Lawyer' for £100k it was made out to the Developer, as it was my property, no mortgage, the paying of the bung was tantamount to recieving the cheque made out finally to me when I toed the line. Done all under the smiling eye of my then Lawyer. Who was independent, we just chose him to sell our property.

Good news though Lana, really I hope you retrieve your expenses, but the property is no doubt more important. Some are unable to wait for the courts process though, as there is a huge backlog of cases in the East.

[Milo]

Sadly in the RoC many foreign buyers have been sold a lie, the Developers now being chastised in public are scrambling about looking for others to blame, the targets this week being dark forces in the north infiltrating the british/foreign buyers, yeh right

Google Is it safe to buy in Cyprus, and nearly as many now come up for the RoC as the north its being classed as one big no go area to purchase in, which is patently wrong. The British FO now give as big a warning to buying in the South with its inherent problems, as the illegal aspects of buying in the north.

That is why you have disgruntled British, who thank god are not about to go without a fight in courts, even though it is taking upto ten years to get their money back from unscrupulous people. Just google Leptos Developers one of the biggest on the island big problems, then look for at least fifteen more all with more clients in dire straights because the Developer don,t know how to stop being greedy. Tapes of conversations of death threats are in 'other' hands now as Police cannot be trusted to investigate these, as maybe they two are 'in' with the Developer/Lawyers I know far too many stories that are in the extreme all from the RoC, never mind those that just have minor problems like shoddy workmanship.

So yes, they are more than unhappy and many are trapped here and wish to go now and those that may have been unaffected will think twice about staying, hopefully not, but most cannot walk away from a lifetimes savings, its big, its widespread,its being published, and its polluting to an island that I agree does not deserve it. But its the TRUTH.

No help from the govt as yet although we have discussions on the Title Deeds in parliament as we speak, we shall see, the first EVER Lawyer in Cyprus has been finally sued by another Cypriot Lawyer for bad practice in the purchase of yet another British couple who bought way back in 1999. They have as yet to recieve the compensation

Do you think that those that 'moan' are just making it up?

They are angry, they are pissed off, and they wrongly believe imo that all of Cyprus is out to get them.

Not me, I have,nt had many property problems although I do some work for those that have, I am giving it up as its too distressing and there is NO help for these poor people. If Cypriots who are in the majority of buyers recently, start losing their properties things will hopefully change for the better, maybe at the moment they feel safer, but maybe not, many joined the CPAG as they too were experiencing problems, some unwilling to let the Developer know for fear of recriminations. Fact.

Many may have gone to the north once selling their properties here, I know of a couple, I beg them to rethink, but they don,t care, they are jumping from one problem never to be resolved, to another never to be resolved. They believe they were not protected here in the South, so have lost their belief in the Souths struggle. Its not difficult to lose faith in a country. We know that only too well.

Btw I live near the Green Line, take my numerous visitors over and go ourselves often, as its a stunningly unspoilt part of Cyprus without the Development that has scarred the South.

Maybe you should tell the GC,s who take numerous coachloads of tourists over daily in the season to cease, and then remind the large amounts of GC cars going over at night to maybe have a little dabble, to stay here, as I think they too will rightly tell you to push off.

You do not live here, you do not know.

Don,t expect people who have a gripe with Cyprus to not come on this Forum and speak their mind anymore than you and many others do on a daily basis. As they will and I predict it will be more. These are not those that have trouble with the exchange rate these are buyers who have been ripped off a much used expression in Cyprus lately, but ask yourself why, are maybe 30,000 plus people wrong or maybe a few thousand greedy suited and booted businessmen. Get rid of them and the problem properly addressed by the RoC govt, and we have harmony.

This has never been about dissing a country, its about dissing those in it that saw us a their ticket to the mercedes showroom. It was never like this in the 80,s, so maybe more than you had rose tinted specs on.

The British are able to see the wrong in their country and voice it without any trouble, unless racist comments, few would disagree on what is gone wrong with the UK but are not 'allowed' to voice their opinions on Cyprus. There are those on here who can never see the big picture and always use the trump card which few would argue with on the Cyprus problem, then resort to name calling and racist comments in order to cover up what is going wrong here. I find that a twisted form of patriotism that does,nt help Cyprus move forward. I,m just glad that many Cypriots do not think like you, they are fed up with others bismirching the previous good name of Cyprus, many know why and who is reponsible.

The British did NOT build or buy land all over Cyprus, the Cypriots sold it, the Cypriots developed it, the Cypriots marketed abroad, and the Cypriot Lawyers etc etc etc joined in the feeding trough. Trouble is they needed buyers, thats where we all came in........

You should have all done more research, not come here wearing blindfolds!

Two of my sons have bought property here with absolutely no problem at all. I know many others didn't have any problems, apart from having to wait to get their deeds. Things are slow, but they happen in the end! This is ONE of the great thing about Cyprus.

No problem until you come to sell maybe?

No problem as long as the Developer who still has the Deeds remains solvent?

And of course saying some come here wearing blindfolds or buy whilst on holiday, surely does,nt mean that they DO come up against unscrupulous Developers and Lawyers does it? As that would be admitting that there ARE many of them here lying in wait. I find it strange to actually accuse people who just buy a property in a sunny island that THEY are in the wrong for buying. You will be telling me next that Cyprus is no different to any other country to buy in at least in the Med You can at least get them prosecuted and unlicenced elsewhere