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[Piratis]

Certain small minded, arrogant, selfish and brainwashed people protest when the claim is made that the Cyprus problem started in 1974. There was a problem before that they claim. But they want to go as far back as it suits them, and they go back only until 1963.

Well my friend, maybe there was a problem before 1974, but there was a problem before 1963 also. In 1958 the TCs started the conflict by burning homes and shops of innocent people and massacring others.

It is obvious from your posts that what you want is to appropriate blame and try to "punish" the majority of the Cypriot people. Since this is your aim do not expect from us to allow you to falsify our history and help you to achieve your sick aims.

The inter-communal conflict started in 1958 by the TCs and not in 1963 as your propaganda is trying to show. 100s of people died in the late 50s and those people and those years can not be erased from our memory just because it doesn't suit your propaganda and your sick aims.

[BirKibrisli]

Certain small minded, arrogant, selfish and brainwashed people protest when the claim is made that the Cyprus problem started in 1974. There was a problem before that they claim. But they want to go as far back as it suits them, and they go back only until 1963.

Well my friend, maybe there was a problem before 1974, but there was a problem before 1963 also. In 1958 the TCs started the conflict by burning homes and shops of innocent people and massacring others.

It is obvious from your posts that what you want is to appropriate blame and try to "punish" the majority of the Cypriot people. Since this is your aim do not expect from us to allow you to falsify our history and help you to achieve your sick aims.

The inter-communal conflict started in 1958 by the TCs and not in 1963 as your propaganda is trying to show. 100s of people died in the late 50s and those people and those years can not be erased from our memory just because it doesn't suit your propaganda and your sick aims.

You are absolutley right,Piratis. The problem really started in 1571 with the Ottoman capture of Cyprus...Now if you can find a court or tribunal or any other commission you can appeal to,let us go and settle it there...We are not going to settle anything peacefully anywhere else,that is for sure...

[wyoming cowboy]

I give up Birkibrisli. My friend from America thinks I went for the booze and the grab (which was not) and the other geezer from your part of the world thinks that the tragic woman should have had her husband killed some years earlier, just to please his perverted sense of justice. Piratis has an issue with the name of an organisation. That is all they saw ...

My turn to remind you we cannot afford to give up,dear Bananiot...

These people live in their little worlds,and assume that everyone is like themselves...small-minded,arrogant,selfish,and brain washed...They are little more than automated creatures (that will do,to save me from insulting them!)whose minds cannot process emotions properly...Unless it relates to themselves or their "side"...

I wanted to ask you something,Bananiot...You live in the RoC...Can you tell me if this Forum is a near representative of the RoC society as I suspect it is...???Cast your mind over all the usual suspects here and tell me what you think...I will appreciate that...

Maybe you both could psychoanalyze all of us while you're drinking tea with cookies......

[BirKibrisli]

I give up Birkibrisli. My friend from America thinks I went for the booze and the grab (which was not) and the other geezer from your part of the world thinks that the tragic woman should have had her husband killed some years earlier, just to please his perverted sense of justice. Piratis has an issue with the name of an organisation. That is all they saw ...

My turn to remind you we cannot afford to give up,dear Bananiot...

These people live in their little worlds,and assume that everyone is like themselves...small-minded,arrogant,selfish,and brain washed...They are little more than automated creatures (that will do,to save me from insulting them!)whose minds cannot process emotions properly...Unless it relates to themselves or their "side"...

I wanted to ask you something,Bananiot...You live in the RoC...Can you tell me if this Forum is a near representative of the RoC society as I suspect it is...???Cast your mind over all the usual suspects here and tell me what you think...I will appreciate that...

Maybe you both could psychoanalyze all of us while you're drinking tea with cookies......

I don't know about Bananiot,but my prefered drink is red wine,WC...I am also partial to Jack Daniels and Bushmills black label Irish whisky...And we don't have cookies here,we have biscuits...

[wyoming cowboy]

If our leaders took a few shots of Jack Daniels straight, before going into the negotiation room, maybe we would have an agreement by now... hehehahah

[Paphitis]

Certain small minded, arrogant, selfish and brainwashed people protest when the claim is made that the Cyprus problem started in 1974. There was a problem before that they claim. But they want to go as far back as it suits them, and they go back only until 1963.

Well my friend, maybe there was a problem before 1974, but there was a problem before 1963 also. In 1958 the TCs started the conflict by burning homes and shops of innocent people and massacring others.

It is obvious from your posts that what you want is to appropriate blame and try to "punish" the majority of the Cypriot people. Since this is your aim do not expect from us to allow you to falsify our history and help you to achieve your sick aims.

The inter-communal conflict started in 1958 by the TCs and not in 1963 as your propaganda is trying to show. 100s of people died in the late 50s and those people and those years can not be erased from our memory just because it doesn't suit your propaganda and your sick aims.

Precisely!

I'm certain that there is not one single GC that does not feel sorrow for this tragedy.

But the issue is this. Why is there a Bi-Communal Initiative of Relatives of Missing Persons, Victims of massacres and other Victims of events 1963-74? Why are the GC Bi Communal victims of 1958 ignored?

Why not include all victims from 1958-1974? It would be much better if this was the case. Then we can eliminate any cynicism as to the politicisation of these organisations.

[Bananiot]

Birkibrisli

My turn to remind you we cannot afford to give up, dear Bananiot...

These people live in their little worlds, and assume that everyone is like themselves...small-minded, arrogant, selfish and brain washed...They are little more than automated creatures (that will do, to save me from insulting them!) whose minds cannot process emotions properly...Unless it relates to themselves or their "side"...

I wanted to ask you something, Bananiot...You live in the RoC...Can you tell me if this Forum is a near representative of the RoC society as I suspect it is...??? Cast your mind over all the usual suspects here and tell me what you think...I will appreciate that...

Thank you Birkibrisli for putting me back on track. You are so right, we must not give up. To your question now.

Generally speaking the left has a sound position on this and we must not forget that the left has never harmed Turkish Cypriots. In fact, members of leftist organisations, be it parties or trade unions, were brutally murdered by right wing extremists from both communities because of their burning desire to bring peace and friendship for our communities. Thus, within the leftist circles you will not find the fanatical views expressed here by the zealots of hate. There is one notable exemption though. The small socialist party of EDEK, which probably has financial and other bonds with the Archbishop, has become the main voice of reaction, hiding behind nice slogans of democracy and human rights.

On the right now. The leadership of DISI has maintained a sound stand on the issue. There are some enlighten people whom I greatly admire, such as the party leader Anastasiades and MP Christos Stylianides. However, the base of this party is much divided on the Cyprus issue and I would say that only about half will follow the leadership, just as it happened in 2004, under different circumstance of course.

DIKO, Papadopoulos's party has also two fractions. One made up of hardliners and the other of people adopting a more moderate approach. Presently they seem to be engaged in an internal struggle for supremacy.

The smallest parties are EVROKO, made up of hardliners, the Greens who are more yellow and EDI which is my party and I need to say no more.

In my everyday encounters with people I come across all sorts, but as you know, my world is one of like minded people. These are people with passion for fraternity, respect and friendship. These are people who held these views way before 1974 and the eldest ones before 1958 (the favoured year of Piratis when he thinks 100's of people were murdered and some imbeciles believe him!).

[halil]

here is the both ladies story ! from www.megavideo.com

http://www.megavideo.com/?v=AWNDM9UB

[denizaksulu]

Birkibrisli

My turn to remind you we cannot afford to give up, dear Bananiot...

These people live in their little worlds, and assume that everyone is like themselves...small-minded, arrogant, selfish and brain washed...They are little more than automated creatures (that will do, to save me from insulting them!) whose minds cannot process emotions properly...Unless it relates to themselves or their "side"...

I wanted to ask you something, Bananiot...You live in the RoC...Can you tell me if this Forum is a near representative of the RoC society as I suspect it is...??? Cast your mind over all the usual suspects here and tell me what you think...I will appreciate that...

Thank you Birkibrisli for putting me back on track. You are so right, we must not give up. To your question now.

Generally speaking the left has a sound position on this and we must not forget that the left has never harmed Turkish Cypriots. In fact, members of leftist organisations, be it parties or trade unions, were brutally murdered by right wing extremists from both communities because of their burning desire to bring peace and friendship for our communities. Thus, within the leftist circles you will not find the fanatical views expressed here by the zealots of hate. There is one notable exemption though. The small socialist party of EDEK, which probably has financial and other bonds with the Archbishop, has become the main voice of reaction, hiding behind nice slogans of democracy and human rights.

On the right now. The leadership of DISI has maintained a sound stand on the issue. There are some enlighten people whom I greatly admire, such as the party leader Anastasiades and MP Christos Stylianides. However, the base of this party is much divided on the Cyprus issue and I would say that only about half will follow the leadership, just as it happened in 2004, under different circumstance of course.

DIKO, Papadopoulos's party has also two fractions. One made up of hardliners and the other of people adopting a more moderate approach. Presently they seem to be engaged in an internal struggle for supremacy.

The smallest parties are EVROKO, made up of hardliners, the Greens who are more yellow and EDI which is my party and I need to say no more.

In my everyday encounters with people I come across all sorts, but as you know, my world is one of like minded people. These are people with passion for fraternity, respect and friendship. These are people who held these views way before 1974 and the eldest ones before 1958 (the favoured year of Piratis when he thinks 100's of people were murdered and some imbeciles believe him!).

I often wondered about the figure of 100's murdered before 1958. Apart from those killed near Geunielli/Gonyeli, I would like some credible evidence.

[Piratis]

The video I posted talks about 100 victims, and this is supported by the evidence.

In addition to the video here is a good article to start:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... -2,00.html

And here are some evidence from the official British records about the murders and about how broadcasts from Turkey were inciting the TCs to start the inter-communal conflict:

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... 10_HOC_103

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... 617_HOC_12

And here is how the TCs started to lie about their own casualties from the very beginning of the conflict they started. If we go with what Kucuk was saying, in the late 50s there were 1000s of casualties, not just 100.

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... 24_HOC_223


And the above is just from June 1958.

If you want next week I will post a lot more facts and evidence. But since you are asking for me to go in this trouble, I would also like to see independent evidence for the casualties of TCs during the conflict, particularly for the period 1968 until July 1974. It is obvious to me that in those years there was much less conflict and casualties than in 1958. And still you want to include those years in the inter-communal conflict while you want to exclude 1958 when you started the conflict.

It is time for the Turkish propagandists to stop lying that the inter-communal conflict started in 1963 and that there was no problem until then. The conflict started in the late 50s by the TCs themselves because conflict and division is what served their aim of partition.