The Best Cyprus Community

Skip to content


HOW CYPRUS CAN BE SAVED???

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Paphitis » Fri Apr 23, 2010 2:43 pm

Here is a story of an escape at Stalag Luft III.

http://www.argo.net.au/andre/greatescapeforwebENFIN.htm

Hitler ordered that they be executed.

By the end of March 1944 everything had been ready for escape: civic clothes, documents, money, food. 270 POWs were ready for a breakthrough. On the night from the 24th to the 25th of March the airmen began to come down the shaft. In the night time the guards of watch towers could not see the exit from the tunnel as the search lights were aimed at the camp barracks. However, the camp was also guarded by patrols, which walked the camp around the fence line. A patrol turned out near the exit every 5-6 minutes, that's why only 10 men per hour instead of planned 50-60 could get out of it and crawl up to the saving forest edge when a patrol was out of sight. Thus, a calculation mistake had led to the point when before the dawn only 76 men had managed to escape from the camp. At 4.55 a.m. it became lighter and a guard finally managed to see the exit from the tunnel. Two POWs who had not managed to get far from the camp, were re-captured almost immediately. Most of the escapees failed to find a railway station in the dark and catch night trains. Time was lost and nearly all of them were re-captured not far from Sagan.

Only three airmen managed to find freedom. They were Norwegians Per Bergsland and Jens Mueller and a Dutchman Bram van der Stock previously of RAF. The first two reached Sweden, the latter managed to have reached Gibraltar via Holland, Belgium, France and Spain.

The news about the Great Escape reached Hitler and drove him mad. He immediately demanded to shoot all re-captured escapees. Goering, Keitel and some other representatives of the German High Command tried to calm him down and called for common sense. The persuasion led to the pint where the head of the Third Reich "calmed down" and ordered to shoot and cremate "more than a half of the re-captured". A Directive with a list of 50 airmen subject to execution signed by Himmler reached the Gestapo. 23 airmen were returned to concentration camps.

Amongst the executed there were 22 British, 6 Canadians, 6 Polish, 3 South Africans, 2 New Zealanders, 2 Frenchmen, 1 Lithuanian, 1 Greek, 1 Czech. There were also 4 Australians amongst them:


76 Airmen escaped, only 4 found freedom, and 50 were executed. :shock:
Last edited by Paphitis on Fri Apr 23, 2010 2:56 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Paphitis
Leading Contributor
Leading Contributor
 
Posts: 32303
Joined: Sun May 21, 2006 2:06 pm

Re: HOW CYPRUS CAN BE SAVED???

Postby Get Real! » Fri Apr 23, 2010 2:49 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:HOW CYPRUS CAN BE SAVED???

Give me command of the CNG and the ministry of foreign affairs, and I will give you a 100% liberated Cyprus within a month.
User avatar
Get Real!
Forum Addict
Forum Addict
 
Posts: 48333
Joined: Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:25 am
Location: Nicosia

Re: HOW CYPRUS CAN BE SAVED???

Postby umit07 » Fri Apr 23, 2010 2:52 pm

Get Real! wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:HOW CYPRUS CAN BE SAVED???

Give me command of the CNG and the ministry of foreign affairs, and I will give you a 100% liberated Cyprus within a month.


That easy huh? :lol:

Any exit plan if it all backfires.
User avatar
umit07
Regular Contributor
Regular Contributor
 
Posts: 2075
Joined: Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:02 pm

Re: HOW CYPRUS CAN BE SAVED???

Postby Paphitis » Fri Apr 23, 2010 2:58 pm

umit07 wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:HOW CYPRUS CAN BE SAVED???

Give me command of the CNG and the ministry of foreign affairs, and I will give you a 100% liberated Cyprus within a month.


That easy huh? :lol:

Any exit plan if it all backfires.


A new suburb in Athens called Nea Kypros perhaps. Get Real! will be the towns first Mayor! :lol:
User avatar
Paphitis
Leading Contributor
Leading Contributor
 
Posts: 32303
Joined: Sun May 21, 2006 2:06 pm

Postby SKI-preo » Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:01 pm

CYprus can be saved if there is a great flood. Like Noah's flood. everyone needs to drown first.
User avatar
SKI-preo
Regular Contributor
Regular Contributor
 
Posts: 1361
Joined: Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:17 am
Location: New Zealand/Australia

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:12 pm

SKI-preo wrote:CYprus can be saved if there is a great flood. Like Noah's flood. everyone needs to drown first.


You should have been in Agios Athanasios yesterday afternoon. You nearly got your wish!
User avatar
Tim Drayton
Main Contributor
Main Contributor
 
Posts: 8799
Joined: Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:32 am
Location: Limassol/Lemesos

Postby Jerry » Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:12 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Jerry wrote:At the risk of being labelled a pedant: -

"Another A Flight crew flying that night was captained by Sgt Baden Fereday. Sgt Fereday was an experienced pilot with 15 operational flights recorded in his log book. Sgt Kelvin Shoesmith, an Australian, manned his rear turret. His wireless operator, Sgt Glafkos Clerides, was a Greek Cypriot who had been educated at an English Public School"

Clerides flew as wireless operator in a Wellington Bomber.
http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafmarham/aboutus/memory7.cfm


Yes Jerry! I did read your link and found it very interesting.

Also, I have been told that as a POW in Germany, he had escaped along with some other Aussie, Kiwi and British Bomber crews. They some how made their way to France and from there they managed to get back to England. Some didn't make it and were re-captured.

Once in England, he was commissioned and underwent Pilot training. During a Mosquito raid over Germany, he was shot down, and was captured along with his crew!

Mr Clerides alone seems to be rising to the occasion. A former RAF bomber pilot shot down and held in chains by the Nazis, he is forever haunted by his role in the firebombing of Hamburg, an inferno that killed an estimated 50,000 civilians.

"When you have witnessed that, you begin to have a belief that problems should be solved by means other than war," he said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... stage.html


Paphitis, I have no doubt that Clerides was never a pilot, however according to my father he was an air gunner. I believe that on some aircraft air gunners and wireless operators performed dual functions.

From my late father's book; -

"It was here at Exeter Aerodrome that I met another Cypriot airman who was temporarily in charge of the armoury, pending a posting to a flying school in Scotland. he told me he was at a London University and had volunteered to serve with the RAF for the duration of the war, his aim like mine was to be a pilot. As I learned from him after the war he did become an aircrew member, not as a pilot but as an air gunner. The name of this man was none other than Glafcos Clerides .............. In July 1942 Mr Clerides aircraft was shot down over Germany and he was taken prisoner but the Air Ministry informed his parents that their son was missing presumed killed. It was not until October 1942 that word was received that he was well and had been made a POW.........For him as a prisoner of war, the war was over but for me it was just about to start in the malaria infested jungles of Burma."

Clerides did indeed escape but was recaptured.

see also - http://news.pseka.net/index.php?module=article&id=3159
http://www.kypros.org/UN/presiden.htm
Jerry
Main Contributor
Main Contributor
 
Posts: 4730
Joined: Mon May 29, 2006 12:29 pm
Location: UK

Postby Paphitis » Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:17 pm

Jerry wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Jerry wrote:At the risk of being labelled a pedant: -

"Another A Flight crew flying that night was captained by Sgt Baden Fereday. Sgt Fereday was an experienced pilot with 15 operational flights recorded in his log book. Sgt Kelvin Shoesmith, an Australian, manned his rear turret. His wireless operator, Sgt Glafkos Clerides, was a Greek Cypriot who had been educated at an English Public School"

Clerides flew as wireless operator in a Wellington Bomber.
http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafmarham/aboutus/memory7.cfm


Yes Jerry! I did read your link and found it very interesting.

Also, I have been told that as a POW in Germany, he had escaped along with some other Aussie, Kiwi and British Bomber crews. They some how made their way to France and from there they managed to get back to England. Some didn't make it and were re-captured.

Once in England, he was commissioned and underwent Pilot training. During a Mosquito raid over Germany, he was shot down, and was captured along with his crew!

Mr Clerides alone seems to be rising to the occasion. A former RAF bomber pilot shot down and held in chains by the Nazis, he is forever haunted by his role in the firebombing of Hamburg, an inferno that killed an estimated 50,000 civilians.

"When you have witnessed that, you begin to have a belief that problems should be solved by means other than war," he said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... stage.html


Paphitis, I have no doubt that Clerides was never a pilot, however according to my father he was an air gunner. I believe that on some aircraft air gunners and wireless operators performed dual functions.

From my late father's book; -

"It was here at Exeter Aerodrome that I met another Cypriot airman who was temporarily in charge of the armoury, pending a posting to a flying school in Scotland. he told me he was at a London University and had volunteered to serve with the RAF for the duration of the war, his aim like mine was to be a pilot. As I learned from him after the war he did become an aircrew member, not as a pilot but as an air gunner. The name of this man was none other than Glafcos Clerides .............. In July 1942 Mr Clerides aircraft was shot down over Germany and he was taken prisoner but the Air Ministry informed his parents that their son was missing presumed killed. It was not until October 1942 that word was received that he was well and had been made a POW.........For him as a prisoner of war, the war was over but for me it was just about to start in the malaria infested jungles of Burma."

Clerides did indeed escape but was recaptured.

see also -http://news.pseka.net/index.php?module=article&id=3159
http://www.kypros.org/UN/presiden.htm


This is not what his biography states.

It clearly states that he was a Pilot. How he became a pilot, I am not too certain. It is said that he completed RAF Pilot training after his escape.

He has also mentioned it many times when lecturing at Nicosia College and during interviews.

I am searching for any DoD references, because his initial escape was with some Aussie RAAF Airmen, who he befriended.

Watch this space, because I am going to get to the bottom of this once and for all.
User avatar
Paphitis
Leading Contributor
Leading Contributor
 
Posts: 32303
Joined: Sun May 21, 2006 2:06 pm

Postby B25 » Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:26 pm

Who gives a shit about Clerides, he was about to sell us down the swannie to the turks until Tpap came along and stopped him.

Anyway you guys are way off thread here, open another one in his 'honour' if you want.
User avatar
B25
Main Contributor
Main Contributor
 
Posts: 6543
Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:03 pm
Location: ** Classified **

Postby Jerry » Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:27 pm

The plot thickens Paphitis, I too will dig a little deeper.
Jerry
Main Contributor
Main Contributor
 
Posts: 4730
Joined: Mon May 29, 2006 12:29 pm
Location: UK

PreviousNext

Return to Cyprus Problem

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests