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[Paphitis]

At the risk of being labelled a pedant: -

"Another A Flight crew flying that night was captained by Sgt Baden Fereday. Sgt Fereday was an experienced pilot with 15 operational flights recorded in his log book. Sgt Kelvin Shoesmith, an Australian, manned his rear turret. His wireless operator, Sgt Glafkos Clerides, was a Greek Cypriot who had been educated at an English Public School"

Clerides flew as wireless operator in a Wellington Bomber.
http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafmarham/aboutus/memory7.cfm

Yes Jerry! I did read your link and found it very interesting.

Also, I have been told that as a POW in Germany, he had escaped along with some other Aussie, Kiwi and British Bomber crews. They some how made their way to France and from there they managed to get back to England. Some didn't make it and were re-captured.

Once in England, he was commissioned and underwent Pilot training. During a Mosquito raid over Germany, he was shot down, and was captured along with his crew!

Mr Clerides alone seems to be rising to the occasion. A former RAF bomber pilot shot down and held in chains by the Nazis, he is forever haunted by his role in the firebombing of Hamburg, an inferno that killed an estimated 50,000 civilians.

"When you have witnessed that, you begin to have a belief that problems should be solved by means other than war," he said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... stage.html

[DT.]

At the risk of being labelled a pedant: -

"Another A Flight crew flying that night was captained by Sgt Baden Fereday. Sgt Fereday was an experienced pilot with 15 operational flights recorded in his log book. Sgt Kelvin Shoesmith, an Australian, manned his rear turret. His wireless operator, Sgt Glafkos Clerides, was a Greek Cypriot who had been educated at an English Public School"

Clerides flew as wireless operator in a Wellington Bomber.
http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafmarham/aboutus/memory7.cfm

what english public school?

Just like the rest of us genius's he went to the English School in Nicosia.

[Paphitis]

At the risk of being labelled a pedant: -

"Another A Flight crew flying that night was captained by Sgt Baden Fereday. Sgt Fereday was an experienced pilot with 15 operational flights recorded in his log book. Sgt Kelvin Shoesmith, an Australian, manned his rear turret. His wireless operator, Sgt Glafkos Clerides, was a Greek Cypriot who had been educated at an English Public School"

Clerides flew as wireless operator in a Wellington Bomber.
http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafmarham/aboutus/memory7.cfm

Yes Jerry! I did read your link and found it very interesting.

Also, I have been told that as a POW in Germany, he had escaped along with some other Aussie, Kiwi and British Bomber crews. They some how made their way to France and from there they managed to get back to England. Some didn't make it and were re-captured.

Once in England, he was commissioned and underwent Pilot training. During a Mosquito raid over Germany, he was shot down, and was captured along with his crew!

Mr Clerides alone seems to be rising to the occasion. A former RAF bomber pilot shot down and held in chains by the Nazis, he is forever haunted by his role in the firebombing of Hamburg, an inferno that killed an estimated 50,000 civilians.

"When you have witnessed that, you begin to have a belief that problems should be solved by means other than war," he said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... stage.html

This article has him down as a Spitfire Pilot.....

The president is a decorated RAF Spitfire fighter pilot who was shot down twice by the Germans during the second world war.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... stage.html

[Liontaroui]

At the risk of being labelled a pedant: -

"Another A Flight crew flying that night was captained by Sgt Baden Fereday. Sgt Fereday was an experienced pilot with 15 operational flights recorded in his log book. Sgt Kelvin Shoesmith, an Australian, manned his rear turret. His wireless operator, Sgt Glafkos Clerides, was a Greek Cypriot who had been educated at an English Public School"

Clerides flew as wireless operator in a Wellington Bomber.
http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafmarham/aboutus/memory7.cfm

what english public school?

Just like the rest of us genius's he went to the English School in Nicosia.

The plural of genius is genii.

[denizaksulu]

And if the Ottomans' ships had sank, then we wouldn't have a Cyprus Problem in the first place!

If the Greek ships had sunk there would be no Greek colonies on the island either.

And if I had never been a sparkle in my mum and dad's eye ...

Too many 'if's'............

[denizaksulu]

At the risk of being labelled a pedant: -

"Another A Flight crew flying that night was captained by Sgt Baden Fereday. Sgt Fereday was an experienced pilot with 15 operational flights recorded in his log book. Sgt Kelvin Shoesmith, an Australian, manned his rear turret. His wireless operator, Sgt Glafkos Clerides, was a Greek Cypriot who had been educated at an English Public School"

Clerides flew as wireless operator in a Wellington Bomber.
http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafmarham/aboutus/memory7.cfm

Yes Jerry! I did read your link and found it very interesting.

Also, I have been told that as a POW in Germany, he had escaped along with some other Aussie, Kiwi and British Bomber crews. They some how made their way to France and from there they managed to get back to England. Some didn't make it and were re-captured.

Once in England, he was commissioned and underwent Pilot training. During a Mosquito raid over Germany, he was shot down, and was captured along with his crew!

Mr Clerides alone seems to be rising to the occasion. A former RAF bomber pilot shot down and held in chains by the Nazis, he is forever haunted by his role in the firebombing of Hamburg, an inferno that killed an estimated 50,000 civilians.

"When you have witnessed that, you begin to have a belief that problems should be solved by means other than war," he said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... stage.html

I have printed the account but have not had time to read it yet. I have a personal interest in Clerides.
On his escape, he must have used his navigational skills together with his Cypriot upbringing.

[Tim Drayton]

And if the Ottomans' ships had sank, then we wouldn't have a Cyprus Problem in the first place!

If the Greek ships had sunk there would be no Greek colonies on the island either.

And if I had never been a sparkle in my mum and dad's eye ...

Too many 'if's'............

Let us speculate what would have been, had there been fewer 'if's'.

[YFred]

And if the Ottomans' ships had sank, then we wouldn't have a Cyprus Problem in the first place!

If the Greek ships had sunk there would be no Greek colonies on the island either.

And if I had never been a sparkle in my mum and dad's eye ...

Too many 'if's'............

Let us speculate what would have been, had there been fewer 'if's'.

What if Turkey took the whole of Cyprus? and istalled a puppet regime in the south?

[Paphitis]

At the risk of being labelled a pedant: -

"Another A Flight crew flying that night was captained by Sgt Baden Fereday. Sgt Fereday was an experienced pilot with 15 operational flights recorded in his log book. Sgt Kelvin Shoesmith, an Australian, manned his rear turret. His wireless operator, Sgt Glafkos Clerides, was a Greek Cypriot who had been educated at an English Public School"

Clerides flew as wireless operator in a Wellington Bomber.
http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafmarham/aboutus/memory7.cfm

Yes Jerry! I did read your link and found it very interesting.

Also, I have been told that as a POW in Germany, he had escaped along with some other Aussie, Kiwi and British Bomber crews. They some how made their way to France and from there they managed to get back to England. Some didn't make it and were re-captured.

Once in England, he was commissioned and underwent Pilot training. During a Mosquito raid over Germany, he was shot down, and was captured along with his crew!

Mr Clerides alone seems to be rising to the occasion. A former RAF bomber pilot shot down and held in chains by the Nazis, he is forever haunted by his role in the firebombing of Hamburg, an inferno that killed an estimated 50,000 civilians.

"When you have witnessed that, you begin to have a belief that problems should be solved by means other than war," he said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... stage.html

I have printed the account but have not had time to read it yet. I have a personal interest in Clerides.
On his escape, he must have used his navigational skills together with his Cypriot upbringing.

During the latter stages of WW2, allied pilots that were shot down over Nazi Germany were actively encouraged by British Intelligence to attempt escape. This was done because there was a massive shortage, due to attrition, of experienced flight crews.

British Intelligence went to extraordinary lengths. At some concentration camps, there were hidden radios, flight crews dug tunnels, and there were even some very brazen and bazaar attempts to escape. There were British agents in Germany, who were fluent in German, and there were also many informants. Even false ID cards and documents were created. They even obtained detailed maps and instructions on what to do from British Intelligence and other British informants. The idea was to assist these Flight Crews to make their way to France or Sweden. From there, they went to Britain. Many crews did escape, and many didn't make it and were re-captured or killed.

I'm not certain what his Cypriot upbringing has to do with it. Perhaps you can clarify.

[Oracle]

And if the Ottomans' ships had sank, then we wouldn't have a Cyprus Problem in the first place!

If the Greek ships had sunk there would be no Greek colonies on the island either.

And if I had never been a sparkle in my mum and dad's eye ...

Too many 'if's'............

Let us speculate what would have been, had there been fewer 'if's'.

And so with that, you have nullified the fundamental premise of BirKibrisli's thread!

" ... if this plane crashes ..."