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[Oracle]

"If you want a nigger for a neighbour, vote Labour"

... This was the acceptable face of politics in the UK of 1964. And later, 74% of the electorate supported Enoch Powell's repatriation or ethnic cleansing policies. Still much worse happened.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/apr/27/race.world2

This was the civilised world of the 60's.

There's no way anyone would consider castigating the British public of today for their views and habits in the 60's

So why is this considered an acceptable argument for partitioning Cypriots of today?

[Piratis]

Come on,people...We are all capable of more than just black/white thinking...

There are no 2 Birs here...I am the same person who advocated a democratic Unitary State without any consideration of peoples ethnic backgrounds..I STILL believe that is the best the ideal solution,if we want to progress from two communities to One people,One nation...If it was upto me I would take a shortcut...i would forbid young Cypriots to marry someone from their own ethnic background...Imagine if every single marriage for the next 50 years were between people of dfiferent ethnic backgrounds..What would we have then??? A nation of Cypriots....

What I am trying to tell you now is this: If you want to have a unitary state,like I want to have a unitary state,we need to come to terms with our bloody history...The TCs have been deeply traumatised by the events between 1955 and 1974...They will not accept to put themselves in the same situation again...A situation where they would be at the mercy of the fanatical GCs who are still very prominent in forums like this......When I say that I get accused of supporting theives who want to gain at GC expense...Some even accuse ME of being a thief...That is a terrible insult for someone who have lost everything and lived in exile for over 40 years...On top I get accused of being a partitionist...

If we want a peaceful and lasting solution we must improve mutual respect and trust and understanding...These are not mere words..They represent tangible feelings and sates of mind which can be achieved if we try hard enough...To say lets forget the past ,just look at the future,lets all embrace democracy,human rights and EU principles,might make some here feel intelligent and morally superior,but it has no chance of success...

If you want your minority to trust you,do not tell them they are imagining things in the past,what they lived through didn't really happen...don't insult them,dont call them names like thieves or fascists or racists or partitionists...Try to understand where they are coming from,and show some empathy and compassion...If you consider me a partitionist,then there is really no hope for Cyprus,as Bananiot fully understands..Try to understand what I am telling you,and we might one day come to a point we can have True and permanent reunification...But the status quo have to end as soon as possible for us to have a chance...There will not be anybody left withing 25 years who will want to reunite with anyone...

Bir, we are also traumatised by the events between 1571 and 2010. You seem to support the Turkish propaganda which puts all the blame on GCs for what happened in the past, but an objective examination of history will show to you that it is the Turks and TCs who initiated the wars and conflicts and that it is the GCs who suffered for the longest periods and had the most casualties. These are just basic facts you finally need to accept. Nobody denies that TCs did suffer during that 1 decade, but it time for you to stop denying that GCs suffered not only during that one decade, but also before and after that decade also.

Therefore your belief that GCs should be the ones who should "pay" for what happened in the past is provocative to say the least. If you truly want a united Cyprus then you should stop trying to punish innocent people.

You say that we should stop calling TCs "thieves", "racists" etc. How about if we followed your approach and demanded the human rights violations of TCs as a punishment for what they did in the past (and what they continue doing today), would that be better approach? I believe not.

Personally I never called all TCs as being "thieves", "racists" etc. What makes somebody a racist is not his ethnicity, but what he supports. When somebody supports the segregation and discrimination of the citizens of a country based on their ethnicity this makes his a racist (and a partitionist) and I reserve my right to call such people what I believe they truly are.

Cyprus is not the only country which had conflicts between its ethnic groups. This happened in many countries. The solution for the future is not to try to punish any side. If that was the case then we would want to punish you, and you would want to punish us, and as a result the circle of blood and suffering would continue indefinitely.

These anachronistic divisions that plagued Cyprus from the time of the Ottomans and were also forced in to the 1960 Constitution should finally be replaced with a modern democratic system that is based on the citizens, and not based on religious or ethnic groups.

In the 21st century you can not divide citizens into Christians and Muslims or Greeks and Turks. The citizens of Cyprus can be of any religion (or no religion at all), and can be of any ethnic background, not necessarily Greek or Turkish.

The religion and ethnicity of each citizen should be seen as his own personal attributes or choice, in the same way that is the team he supports, his political views or his sexual orientation, and these personal attributes and choices should not affect in any way the rights that each Cypriot citizen can have.

So lets stop the lame excuses for keeping Cyprus in the past and lets move in the 21st century. Many other countries, with much worst problems between their ethnic or religious groups, managed to do so, and so can we if we agree that this is what we want. (if what you want is partition, like VP, then nothing will convince you of course)

[Paphitis]

Amazing statement!

If you do not support a true BBF then you are a partitionist. Anything less then a true BBf will eventually lead to a partition.

GR, are you a supporter of true BBF or a partitionist?
I think the late Papadopoulos supported BBF with the "right content".
Somehow, I do not believe that Papadopoulos and GR had any differences. Simply, one is a silly forumer (like the rest of us) and the other one was a politician, President of the RoC, and he needed to be careful. He was a lying politician who manipulated words to c.h.a.

After so many years and the disaster that struck we still find it difficult to be honest with ourselves and others. We are prepared to use all sorts of lies which we end up believing in them at the end. EOKA B' for example, did not exist in the 60's yet, people are prepared to lay the blame for crimes committed by GC's in 1963 and later, on the shoulders of an organisation that did not exist. I suppose, we need to pin point the culprit because the crimes are there to be seen by everyone, and since we do not have the guts to admit our guilt, we quite happily shift the blame on perpetrators that do not exist. We therefore come out clean and, just to add insult to injury, even members of this fascist organisation that was created by Grivas later on, use the same argument to explain atrocities by GC's. In Aloa, it was EOKA B' that committed the crimes and in Maratha and Sandalaris the same. Koshi got the same treatment from EOKA B', according to these jokers, but at the time there was no EOKA B'. There were paramilitary organisations, headed by warlords appointed and financed by the state.

If we can come to terms with our past and stop feeding tales to the people we may get another chance at salvaging something. If not, we do not deserve BBF let alone a unitary state.

What would you know about Koshi?

[Piratis]

Amazing statement!

If you do not support a true BBF then you are a partitionist. Anything less then a true BBf will eventually lead to a partition.

GR, are you a supporter of true BBF or a partitionist?
I think the late Papadopoulos supported BBF with the "right content".
Somehow, I do not believe that Papadopoulos and GR had any differences. Simply, one is a silly forumer (like the rest of us) and the other one was a politician, President of the RoC, and he needed to be careful. He was a lying politician who manipulated words to c.h.a.

After so many years and the disaster that struck we still find it difficult to be honest with ourselves and others. We are prepared to use all sorts of lies which we end up believing in them at the end. EOKA B' for example, did not exist in the 60's yet, people are prepared to lay the blame for crimes committed by GC's in 1963 and later, on the shoulders of an organisation that did not exist. I suppose, we need to pin point the culprit because the crimes are there to be seen by everyone, and since we do not have the guts to admit our guilt, we quite happily shift the blame on perpetrators that do not exist. We therefore come out clean and, just to add insult to injury, even members of this fascist organisation that was created by Grivas later on, use the same argument to explain atrocities by GC's. In Aloa, it was EOKA B' that committed the crimes and in Maratha and Sandalaris the same. Koshi got the same treatment from EOKA B', according to these jokers, but at the time there was no EOKA B'. There were paramilitary organisations, headed by warlords appointed and financed by the state.

If we can come to terms with our past and stop feeding tales to the people we may get another chance at salvaging something. If not, we do not deserve BBF let alone a unitary state.

And during WWII the Allies bombed German cities and even nuked 2 Japanese ones. Are we now going to blame the allies for WWII? Or maybe the people that died in those German and Japanese cities were all guilty?

Cyprus deserves nothing less than its freedom. We are the ones who have been invaded, we didn't leave our island to invade anybody. Yes, in the wars that others initiated against us we participated. In those wars we had 1000s of casualness and the TCs had some 100s. Do you know any war where the casualties come only from one side?

I wish that the Turks had not started those wars so nobody would die, but that was not up to me. There is no justification for the death of innocent TCs, but similarly there is no justification for the death of 1000s of GCs. Once you use some lame excuse to start a conflict or a war and start killing innocent people then you should expect that some innocent people will die from your side as well. That is how wars are. The one to be blamed is the invader/aggressor and not the one being attacked, just because the other side had some casualties as well.

[Get Real!]

Amazing statement!

If you do not support a true BBF then you are a partitionist. Anything less then a true BBf will eventually lead to a partition.

GR, are you a supporter of true BBF or a partitionist?

Bananiot, you and that other idiot "wyoming cowboy" should take your computers back to the shop and just tell them you're too stupid to own one.

[Bananiot]

Almost funny, too dry! You can do better. Had a look under the bed?

[Paphitis]

Almost funny, too dry! You can do better. Had a look under the bed?

Erm Koshi... What do you know about him? I'm curious!

[denizaksulu]

Almost funny, too dry! You can do better. Had a look under the bed?

Erm Koshi... What do you know about him? I'm curious!

Is that the village of Goshi/Koshi(Koçyatağı)? or something else?

[denizaksulu]

http://goshi-community-cultural-heritage.blogspot.com/

[denizaksulu]

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