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[BirKibrisli]

Time for us all to put on our thinking caps...

In 2004 Turkish Cypriots voted by an overwhelming majority of 65% FOR a solution to reunite Cyprus...In 2010 they voted,albeit by a slim majority,FOR a President who is well known for his wish for a 2 state solution...So,what happened,or what did not happen,during the ensuing 6 years to bring about such a different result??? Please spend at least a couple of minutes seriously pondering this issue before putting fingers to keyboard...Thanks...

[DT.]

Talat spent the past 2 years arguing whether he should get a 3/4 years rotation of Presidency rather than the 2/4 year proposed. If he had received this concession with the gratitude and pragmatism it warranted then he would have had a lot more results to show for now and might have been re-elected.

Had he also received the 50,000 settlers concession with the same attitude rather than argue about ALL "trnc" citizens being eligible for Cypriot citizenship....things might have been done.

Had Talat turned round to Erdogan and said, "Listen mate, this whole citizenship given to 70m Turks thing is a little off the scale...don't get me wrong I want 70m Turkish citizens of Cyprus as well but the fact is that thos Rums are funny bout these things...besides, the island might sink." He may have had some more results from the negotiations and might have been re-elected.


Instead of doing all this every time he received a concession he took his tie off and began a good old fashioned middle eastern bazarliki.

[BirKibrisli]

Talat spent the past 2 years arguing whether he should get a 3/4 years rotation of Presidency rather than the 2/4 year proposed. If he had received this concession with the gratitude and pragmatism it warranted then he would have had a lot more results to show for now and might have been re-elected.

Had he also received the 50,000 settlers concession with the same attitude rather than argue about ALL "trnc" citizens being eligible for Cypriot citizenship....things might have been done.

Had Talat turned round to Erdogan and said, "Listen mate, this whole citizenship given to 70m Turks thing is a little off the scale...don't get me wrong I want 70m Turkish citizens of Cyprus as well but the fact is that thos Rums are funny bout these things...besides, the island might sink." He may have had some more results from the negotiations and might have been re-elected.


Instead of doing all this every time he received a concession he took his tie off and began a good old fashioned middle eastern bazarliki.

So,you think the TCs were disappointed Talat could not achive much towards a solution...And that made them vote for Eroglu who has less chance than Talat to get anywhere with Christofias??? There is something wrong with that logic,DT...Thanks for giving it a shot though...

[CBBB]

Talat spent the past 2 years arguing whether he should get a 3/4 years rotation of Presidency rather than the 2/4 year proposed. If he had received this concession with the gratitude and pragmatism it warranted then he would have had a lot more results to show for now and might have been re-elected.

Had he also received the 50,000 settlers concession with the same attitude rather than argue about ALL "trnc" citizens being eligible for Cypriot citizenship....things might have been done.

Had Talat turned round to Erdogan and said, "Listen mate, this whole citizenship given to 70m Turks thing is a little off the scale...don't get me wrong I want 70m Turkish citizens of Cyprus as well but the fact is that thos Rums are funny bout these things...besides, the island might sink." He may have had some more results from the negotiations and might have been re-elected.


Instead of doing all this every time he received a concession he took his tie off and began a good old fashioned middle eastern bazarliki.

So,you think the TCs were disappointed Talat could not achive much towards a solution...And that made them vote for Eroglu who has less chance than Talat to get anywhere with Christofias??? There is something wrong with that logic,DT...Thanks for giving it a shot though...

What is your analysis of the situation Bir?

[DT.]

Talat spent the past 2 years arguing whether he should get a 3/4 years rotation of Presidency rather than the 2/4 year proposed. If he had received this concession with the gratitude and pragmatism it warranted then he would have had a lot more results to show for now and might have been re-elected.

Had he also received the 50,000 settlers concession with the same attitude rather than argue about ALL "trnc" citizens being eligible for Cypriot citizenship....things might have been done.

Had Talat turned round to Erdogan and said, "Listen mate, this whole citizenship given to 70m Turks thing is a little off the scale...don't get me wrong I want 70m Turkish citizens of Cyprus as well but the fact is that thos Rums are funny bout these things...besides, the island might sink." He may have had some more results from the negotiations and might have been re-elected.


Instead of doing all this every time he received a concession he took his tie off and began a good old fashioned middle eastern bazarliki.

So,you think the TCs were disappointed Talat could not achive much towards a solution...And that made them vote for Eroglu who has less chance than Talat to get anywhere with Christofias??? There is something wrong with that logic,DT...Thanks for giving it a shot though...

He promised he'd solve it at the expense of pursuing the recognition dream. He failed so they turned towards the recognition promises from eroglu. Its really not that hard Bir.

[BirKibrisli]

Talat spent the past 2 years arguing whether he should get a 3/4 years rotation of Presidency rather than the 2/4 year proposed. If he had received this concession with the gratitude and pragmatism it warranted then he would have had a lot more results to show for now and might have been re-elected.

Had he also received the 50,000 settlers concession with the same attitude rather than argue about ALL "trnc" citizens being eligible for Cypriot citizenship....things might have been done.

Had Talat turned round to Erdogan and said, "Listen mate, this whole citizenship given to 70m Turks thing is a little off the scale...don't get me wrong I want 70m Turkish citizens of Cyprus as well but the fact is that thos Rums are funny bout these things...besides, the island might sink." He may have had some more results from the negotiations and might have been re-elected.


Instead of doing all this every time he received a concession he took his tie off and began a good old fashioned middle eastern bazarliki.

So,you think the TCs were disappointed Talat could not achive much towards a solution...And that made them vote for Eroglu who has less chance than Talat to get anywhere with Christofias??? There is something wrong with that logic,DT...Thanks for giving it a shot though...

He promised he'd solve it at the expense of pursuing the recognition dream. He failed so they turned towards the recognition promises from eroglu. Its really not that hard Bir.

I think most TCs know well full recognition is very difficult to achieve..
There must be other factors at work here...come on ,DT...Think outside the square...

[BirKibrisli]

Talat spent the past 2 years arguing whether he should get a 3/4 years rotation of Presidency rather than the 2/4 year proposed. If he had received this concession with the gratitude and pragmatism it warranted then he would have had a lot more results to show for now and might have been re-elected.

Had he also received the 50,000 settlers concession with the same attitude rather than argue about ALL "trnc" citizens being eligible for Cypriot citizenship....things might have been done.

Had Talat turned round to Erdogan and said, "Listen mate, this whole citizenship given to 70m Turks thing is a little off the scale...don't get me wrong I want 70m Turkish citizens of Cyprus as well but the fact is that thos Rums are funny bout these things...besides, the island might sink." He may have had some more results from the negotiations and might have been re-elected.


Instead of doing all this every time he received a concession he took his tie off and began a good old fashioned middle eastern bazarliki.

So,you think the TCs were disappointed Talat could not achive much towards a solution...And that made them vote for Eroglu who has less chance than Talat to get anywhere with Christofias??? There is something wrong with that logic,DT...Thanks for giving it a shot though...

What is your analysis of the situation Bir?

My own theory needs a bit more development...I will keep it for later..I am interested to hear what others think at this stage...

[Piratis]

Time for us all to put on our thinking caps...

In 2004 Turkish Cypriots voted by an overwhelming majority of 65% FOR a solution to reunite Cyprus...In 2010 they voted,albeit by a slim majority,FOR a President who is well known for his wish for a 2 state solution...So,what happened,or what did not happen,during the ensuing 6 years to bring about such a different result??? Please spend at least a couple of minutes seriously pondering this issue before putting fingers to keyboard...Thanks...

What TCs voted for in 2004 was for partition. Annan plan was a partition plan, not a unification plan. This is why the TCs who want partition voted for it, while the GCs who want unification rejected it.

Partition has been the aim of TCs since the 1950s, and this has never stopped being the case. The only reason why partition is not official today is that the Turks can not legalize their illegality, and not because they ever had second thoughts about what is an ideal "solution" for them.

After Cyprus entered EU the TCs thought "Hey, how about having partition and EU, both with one solution", and that "solution" was called Annan plan, a "solution" which would also solve the main problem of EU accession of Turkey. Or maybe you think it is a coincidence that the Annan plan came just months before the accession of Cyprus in EU?

After the TCs (and their Imperialist friends) have failed to fool us with the so called "unification" plan, apparently they decided that there is no need to keep pretending that they want unification and they reverted back to their usual ways of trying to achieve partition.

If the TCs truly wanted unification then we could come to an agreement within a day. But the so called "unification" that they want includes splitting everything in Cyprus in two.

Here is a quote from Sevgul Uludag that describes how TCs view "unification"

The main problem concerning `reunification` of the island for the mainstream Turkish Cypriot media is that it is subconsciously based on `two separate entities coming together`, not seeing that this is a remnant of `Taksim` policies… The focus is on `Bizonality` and with this, the `legitimization` of `the results of 1974`… No one is contesting that any future cooperation of our communities should be based on multiculturalism, rather than on the `hegemony` of the Greek Cypriot community in all fields… But how `bizonality` is perceived is a big problem because deep down, the ideology of `Taksim` is still there and has not been wiped out from the subconscious thinking of `duality` and `separatism` from the minds of some mainstream Turkish Cypriot journalists.

[BirKibrisli]

Time for us all to put on our thinking caps...

In 2004 Turkish Cypriots voted by an overwhelming majority of 65% FOR a solution to reunite Cyprus...In 2010 they voted,albeit by a slim majority,FOR a President who is well known for his wish for a 2 state solution...So,what happened,or what did not happen,during the ensuing 6 years to bring about such a different result??? Please spend at least a couple of minutes seriously pondering this issue before putting fingers to keyboard...Thanks...

What TCs voted for in 2004 was for partition. Annan plan was a partition plan, not a unification plan. This is why the TCs who want partition voted for it, while the GCs who want unification rejected it.

Partition has been the aim of TCs since the 1950s, and this has never stopped being the case. The only reason why partition is not official today is that the Turks can not legalize their illegality, and not because they ever had second thoughts about what is an ideal "solution" for them.

After Cyprus entered EU the TCs thought "Hey, how about having partition and EU, both with one solution", and that "solution" was called Annan plan, a "solution" which would also solve the main problem of EU accession of Turkey. Or maybe you think it is a coincidence that the Annan plan came just months before the accession of Cyprus in EU?

After the TCs (and their Imperialist friends) have failed to fool us with the so called "unification" plan, apparently they decided that there is no need to keep pretending that they want unification and they reverted back to their usual ways of trying to achieve partition.

If the TCs truly wanted unification then we could come to an agreement within a day. But the so called "unification" that they want includes splitting everything in Cyprus in two.

Here is a quote from Sevgul Uludag that describes how TCs view "unification"

The main problem concerning `reunification` of the island for the mainstream Turkish Cypriot media is that it is subconsciously based on `two separate entities coming together`, not seeing that this is a remnant of `Taksim` policies… The focus is on `Bizonality` and with this, the `legitimization` of `the results of 1974`… No one is contesting that any future cooperation of our communities should be based on multiculturalism, rather than on the `hegemony` of the Greek Cypriot community in all fields… But how `bizonality` is perceived is a big problem because deep down, the ideology of `Taksim` is still there and has not been wiped out from the subconscious thinking of `duality` and `separatism` from the minds of some mainstream Turkish Cypriot journalists.

Thank you,Piratis...Just to clarify one thing...Are you saying that you will always oppose a solution that would involve Bi-zonality and Bi-Communality??? Is there any BBF solution that you might consider acceptable???Or do they all intrinsically involve Taksim as far as you are concerned???

[Piratis]

Time for us all to put on our thinking caps...

In 2004 Turkish Cypriots voted by an overwhelming majority of 65% FOR a solution to reunite Cyprus...In 2010 they voted,albeit by a slim majority,FOR a President who is well known for his wish for a 2 state solution...So,what happened,or what did not happen,during the ensuing 6 years to bring about such a different result??? Please spend at least a couple of minutes seriously pondering this issue before putting fingers to keyboard...Thanks...

What TCs voted for in 2004 was for partition. Annan plan was a partition plan, not a unification plan. This is why the TCs who want partition voted for it, while the GCs who want unification rejected it.

Partition has been the aim of TCs since the 1950s, and this has never stopped being the case. The only reason why partition is not official today is that the Turks can not legalize their illegality, and not because they ever had second thoughts about what is an ideal "solution" for them.

After Cyprus entered EU the TCs thought "Hey, how about having partition and EU, both with one solution", and that "solution" was called Annan plan, a "solution" which would also solve the main problem of EU accession of Turkey. Or maybe you think it is a coincidence that the Annan plan came just months before the accession of Cyprus in EU?

After the TCs (and their Imperialist friends) have failed to fool us with the so called "unification" plan, apparently they decided that there is no need to keep pretending that they want unification and they reverted back to their usual ways of trying to achieve partition.

If the TCs truly wanted unification then we could come to an agreement within a day. But the so called "unification" that they want includes splitting everything in Cyprus in two.

Here is a quote from Sevgul Uludag that describes how TCs view "unification"

The main problem concerning `reunification` of the island for the mainstream Turkish Cypriot media is that it is subconsciously based on `two separate entities coming together`, not seeing that this is a remnant of `Taksim` policies… The focus is on `Bizonality` and with this, the `legitimization` of `the results of 1974`… No one is contesting that any future cooperation of our communities should be based on multiculturalism, rather than on the `hegemony` of the Greek Cypriot community in all fields… But how `bizonality` is perceived is a big problem because deep down, the ideology of `Taksim` is still there and has not been wiped out from the subconscious thinking of `duality` and `separatism` from the minds of some mainstream Turkish Cypriot journalists.

Thank you,Piratis...Just to clarify one thing...Are you saying that you will always oppose a solution that would involve Bi-zonality and Bi-Communality??? Is there any BBF solution that you might consider acceptable???Or do they all intrinsically involve Taksim as far as you are concerned???

A BBF would be acceptable (but still not desirable) if the "TC Zone" would include only lands where the TCs have been the majority before 1974 and it would be no more than 18%. Also the Federation should be a strong one, with a strong central government elected directly by the population as a whole, as is the case for example in the Russian Federation.