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[Pyrpolizer]

Regarding refugees, I guess the question must then be raised pyrpo, how's it working out for them as a whole 6 years on and for the forseable future? Pretty big gamble, and hey, don't ask a lawyer to advise you when his fees are at stake, there may be an element of self interest - but call me cynical.

It was not always a lawyer but someone well educated 99% of the times it was a co-villager, most propably half the villagers were his relatives, and there was absolutely no fee, just explanation of what the Anan Plan. A hope you understand what an association of refugees from say Assia village is...

Regarding your question as to how is it working now 6 years after, we feel we are better off than what we would be with the Anan Plan.

I'd venture not so good for the refugees specifically which was my point - GCs on the whole may feel better about the situation. I focused on the refugees given it is the most aggressive point made on this forum, justifiably, as they have had a tangible removed from their possession - not the political pariahs of partisan demands. If I am wrong on this front, and the refugees see themselves better off as you put it, then it really turns the issues we find ourselves facing on its head, the political standing of the RoC thus wholly becoming the dominant issue and property return secondary.

Can you therefore clarify further if you feel you have enough understanding of the majority view of the refugees.

I said they are better off because they haven't signed giving away their properties on exchange of some silly bonds (do you know anything about stock markets) and secondly they still have a healthy state and a healthy economy running.

With the Anan Plan refugees & non refugees would lose it all. That's what we thought and that's how we voted.For your information almost all families today are a mixture of refugees+non refugees. The decision was collective.

[Pyrpolizer]

the settlers were now in the position to screw the TCs Royally with their 2:1 advantage over them.

Hah, "excellent and detailed post" - he has no reliable reference for this quantitative statement. He'll just keep throwing the mud, however the only thing that is getting more dirty are his hands.

Talk about compromising your integrity by association with such an ignoramus Pyrpo.

So within a post of what 100 lines is this the only point you found inaccurate? What about the fact that you neither have a reliable reference. What about the fact than TCs participating in here confess the children of settlers in the childrens class room outnumber them not only by 2:1 but multiple times more.
What about the essense of the point that settlers started to erode the true will of the TCs. Have you followed the results of Eroglus win?

Who were the ones who voted en mass for him? Aren't the Karpas and the Nicosia within the walls ones? Aren't they all settlers?

Shesh... such a hate for Kiks why don't you all just stop and listen what he says for a moment? Maybe just maybe he is right

[boomerang]

it has been alleged there were 164,000 voters...if we take the view that 120,000 tcs remained on the island , including grownups and kids, then one can safely assumed more than half of the voting population were settlers...further more dektash stated if ankara hadn't meddled eroglu would have gotten 60% if not more voters voting for him...

so kiks wasn't that far out with his estimation...it could even be 3:1...

taking in mind a tc family with 2 kids...that would make 60,000 tc eligible voters or there about out of 164000....

[Pyrpolizer]

Hi boomers what's up man?
Once a Cyprus Forumer always a CFr huh?
Hmm I can't get myself completely out, i still spend some weekends here when i have nothing better to do

[YFred]

Of course haven't you heard the Anan Plan is dead and burried?

No matter what happens, any plan in the future will not deviate from any of the plans in the past. The sooner we realise that the sooner we'll get to some sort fo peace to be able to finally put one foot in front of the other. And if we are really clever, we may even be able to put the second foot forward while the first one is in its new place without falling over.

We already learned our lesson Yfred: Ask the foreigners to write a plan for us, and they will sell us at the highest bidder. NO THERE WON'T BE ANY PLAN FROM FOREIGNERS EVER AGAIN.

And i can assure you what Christofias and Talat have agreed so far, was much much different than the Anan Plan.

May I be so bold as to ask in what way was it that different?

[YFred]

it has been alleged there were 164,000 voters...if we take the view that 120,000 tcs remained on the island , including grownups and kids, then one can safely assumed more than half of the voting population were settlers...further more dektash stated if ankara hadn't meddled eroglu would have gotten 60% if not more voters voting for him...

so kiks wasn't that far out with his estimation...it could even be 3:1...

taking in mind a tc family with 2 kids...that would make 60,000 tc eligible voters or there about out of 164000....

What was that ratio again? Can I you write the equivalent in percentages please. I only understand percentages, anything above 2.5 % off my radar so go carefully.
2 kids average, fuck off. I have 18.

[boomerang]

Hi boomers what's up man?
Once a Cyprus Forumer always a CFr huh?
Hmm I can't get myself completely out, i still spend some weekends here when i have nothing better to do

hiya pyro, always a pleasure reading your posts...just been busy of late with lots of overseas travel and actually just got back today...with a massive cold...

there might be a chance of a 2-3 day stay in cyprus early next month, depending on workload...i need to be in new york for a couple of days and i was thinking of a world trip...

yeah, you can take the boy out of cyprus but can't take cyprus out of the boy...

[boomerang]

it has been alleged there were 164,000 voters...if we take the view that 120,000 tcs remained on the island , including grownups and kids, then one can safely assumed more than half of the voting population were settlers...further more dektash stated if ankara hadn't meddled eroglu would have gotten 60% if not more voters voting for him...

so kiks wasn't that far out with his estimation...it could even be 3:1...

taking in mind a tc family with 2 kids...that would make 60,000 tc eligible voters or there about out of 164000....

What was that ratio again? Can I you write the equivalent in percentages please. I only understand percentages, anything above 2.5 % off my radar so go carefully.

you can ask anything you want provided you get to write and ask in english...

anyway goodnight koumbare...

[YFred]

it has been alleged there were 164,000 voters...if we take the view that 120,000 tcs remained on the island , including grownups and kids, then one can safely assumed more than half of the voting population were settlers...further more dektash stated if ankara hadn't meddled eroglu would have gotten 60% if not more voters voting for him...

so kiks wasn't that far out with his estimation...it could even be 3:1...

taking in mind a tc family with 2 kids...that would make 60,000 tc eligible voters or there about out of 164000....

What was that ratio again? Can I you write the equivalent in percentages please. I only understand percentages, anything above 2.5 % off my radar so go carefully.

you can ask anything you want provided you get to write and ask in english...

anyway goodnight koumbare...

Assikdir ehasen da priluthga bale, mavro yerimo naminun.

[Pyrpolizer]

Of course haven't you heard the Anan Plan is dead and burried?

No matter what happens, any plan in the future will not deviate from any of the plans in the past. The sooner we realise that the sooner we'll get to some sort fo peace to be able to finally put one foot in front of the other. And if we are really clever, we may even be able to put the second foot forward while the first one is in its new place without falling over.

We already learned our lesson Yfred: Ask the foreigners to write a plan for us, and they will sell us at the highest bidder. NO THERE WON'T BE ANY PLAN FROM FOREIGNERS EVER AGAIN.

And i can assure you what Christofias and Talat have agreed so far, was much much different than the Anan Plan.

May I be so bold as to ask in what way was it that different?

Re theopelle ma enomises oti en na katso na grapso olokliro vivlio dame?

(hey you crazy man you think i will sit writting a whole book here?)
(thats pure GC!!)


Anyway In short Yfred: I agree 100% with what they agreed so far on the matter of Government, power sharing, voting with balanced votes, and EU matters.

The first 2 are quite different than the Anan Plan, the other 2 did not exist in the Anan Plan.

Of course the above are soft issues the real hot issues a)property b)security c)settlers d)% of land of each state have not been concluded, so one cannot compare fully.