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[YFred]

"Our history books say it was the retreating Greek Army... "

Forget the history books of each sides' ministry of education. Read some cables of third party diplomats and military officers and the picture is not at all flattering to either side.

Thank you Nikitas. Bafidobullo was under the impression that the Greeks were angels.

I was referring to Smyrna in 1922 and not the Greek Army!

Why did you sack and burn the entire city and send thousands of Greek civilians to their death?

Fred did that? I knew he was a bit naughty, but that comes as something of a surprise.

You as in the Turkish Army.

The Y-Fred clan killed Greek Cypriots in the 1960s as part of the TMT. This he confessed a while ago! Very naughty indeed!

Another TC that preaches empty words of empathy use to hide weapons in his mattress. These weapons were not used for hunting Ampellopoulia!

Really, I confessed what? you arsehole. Please show me where. I guess you believe that if you say it often enough people will believe it. You, DT Oracle and GR are absolute out and out arsehole wankers.

Wash your mouth with soap next time tou speak of YFred clan, if you please sunbeam, what?
Please join us at the lawyers office and repeat that, which is what DT is going to do. We may as well kill two gargas with one stone, what?
That is assuming that he will appear in the lawyers office and repeat what he has been saying.

Yeah funny deal that!

Come to my lawyers office DT! and give them your name, address and passport number and I promise to do the same with your lawyers after you've done that!!

yeah right...

Chicken? what are you afraid of? Does an innocent person have to supply their details to a criminal if they want to take action against them?
No, the lawyers do the necessary.
All that needs to be done at this stage is to prove that you are who you say you are. For what you are doing on the forum its prison for you my friend. Encouraging a person to kill themselves on the internet you'll find is a criminal offence not just a civil action.
You and the likes of you are the real Cyprus problem. It would have been my pleasure to remove just one of you from circulation for a little while, while you are spending time at her majesty's pleasure by your uncle Phillipo and aunty Liz

[DT.]

"Our history books say it was the retreating Greek Army... "

Forget the history books of each sides' ministry of education. Read some cables of third party diplomats and military officers and the picture is not at all flattering to either side.

Thank you Nikitas. Bafidobullo was under the impression that the Greeks were angels.

I was referring to Smyrna in 1922 and not the Greek Army!

Why did you sack and burn the entire city and send thousands of Greek civilians to their death?

Fred did that? I knew he was a bit naughty, but that comes as something of a surprise.

You as in the Turkish Army.

The Y-Fred clan killed Greek Cypriots in the 1960s as part of the TMT. This he confessed a while ago! Very naughty indeed!

Another TC that preaches empty words of empathy use to hide weapons in his mattress. These weapons were not used for hunting Ampellopoulia!

Really, I confessed what? you arsehole. Please show me where. I guess you believe that if you say it often enough people will believe it. You, DT Oracle and GR are absolute out and out arsehole wankers.

Wash your mouth with soap next time tou speak of YFred clan, if you please sunbeam, what?
Please join us at the lawyers office and repeat that, which is what DT is going to do. We may as well kill two gargas with one stone, what?
That is assuming that he will appear in the lawyers office and repeat what he has been saying.

Yeah funny deal that!

Come to my lawyers office DT! and give them your name, address and passport number and I promise to do the same with your lawyers after you've done that!!

yeah right...

Chicken? what are you afraid of? Does an innocent person have to supply their details to a criminal if they want to take action against them?
No, the lawyers do the necessary.
All that needs to be done at this stage is to prove that you are who you say you are. For what you are doing on the forum its prison for you my friend. Encouraging a person to kill themselves on the internet you'll find is a criminal offence not just a civil action.
You and the likes of you are the real Cyprus problem. It would have been my pleasure to remove just one of you from circulation for a little while, while you are spending time at her majesty's pleasure by your uncle Phillipo and aunty Liz

does this mean you decided against taking your own life?

[Paphitis]

"Our history books say it was the retreating Greek Army... "

Forget the history books of each sides' ministry of education. Read some cables of third party diplomats and military officers and the picture is not at all flattering to either side.

Thank you Nikitas. Bafidobullo was under the impression that the Greeks were angels.

I was referring to Smyrna in 1922 and not the Greek Army!

Why did you sack and burn the entire city and send thousands of Greek civilians to their death?

Fred did that? I knew he was a bit naughty, but that comes as something of a surprise.

You as in the Turkish Army.

The Y-Fred clan killed Greek Cypriots in the 1960s as part of the TMT. This he confessed a while ago! Very naughty indeed!

Another TC that preaches empty words of empathy use to hide weapons in his mattress. These weapons were not used for hunting Ampellopoulia!

Really, I confessed what? you arsehole. Please show me where. I guess you believe that if you say it often enough people will believe it. You, DT Oracle and GR are absolute out and out arsehole wankers.

Wash your mouth with soap next time tou speak of YFred clan, if you please sunbeam, what?
Please join us at the lawyers office and repeat that, which is what DT is going to do. We may as well kill two gargas with one stone, what?
That is assuming that he will appear in the lawyers office and repeat what he has been saying.

Not a problem sunshine.

When you and DT agree on a time to meet up in London, I am happy to be video conferenced. I'm certain that repeating your very confessions on this forum is no offence....

Then you can agree to see DT's london Lawyer and my RoC Lawyer in Nicosia, so we can sue your pants off for being so stupid!

Just name the date and time!

All that's required is your real name and contact address to my lawyer and he'll be in touch, you asshole.
What do you need a video conference for? to see your ugly face? no thanks. Do you have the balls? I think not.

The only case that needs to be answered is how someone like you can be so stupid.

[YFred]

"Our history books say it was the retreating Greek Army... "

Forget the history books of each sides' ministry of education. Read some cables of third party diplomats and military officers and the picture is not at all flattering to either side.

Thank you Nikitas. Bafidobullo was under the impression that the Greeks were angels.

I was referring to Smyrna in 1922 and not the Greek Army!

Why did you sack and burn the entire city and send thousands of Greek civilians to their death?

Fred did that? I knew he was a bit naughty, but that comes as something of a surprise.

You as in the Turkish Army.

The Y-Fred clan killed Greek Cypriots in the 1960s as part of the TMT. This he confessed a while ago! Very naughty indeed!

Another TC that preaches empty words of empathy use to hide weapons in his mattress. These weapons were not used for hunting Ampellopoulia!

Really, I confessed what? you arsehole. Please show me where. I guess you believe that if you say it often enough people will believe it. You, DT Oracle and GR are absolute out and out arsehole wankers.

Wash your mouth with soap next time tou speak of YFred clan, if you please sunbeam, what?
Please join us at the lawyers office and repeat that, which is what DT is going to do. We may as well kill two gargas with one stone, what?
That is assuming that he will appear in the lawyers office and repeat what he has been saying.

Not a problem sunshine.

When you and DT agree on a time to meet up in London, I am happy to be video conferenced. I'm certain that repeating your very confessions on this forum is no offence....

Then you can agree to see DT's london Lawyer and my RoC Lawyer in Nicosia, so we can sue your pants off for being so stupid!

Just name the date and time!

All that's required is your real name and contact address to my lawyer and he'll be in touch, you asshole.
What do you need a video conference for? to see your ugly face? no thanks. Do you have the balls? I think not.

The only case that needs to be answered is how someone like you can be so stupid.

How did I know.

[YFred]

"Our history books say it was the retreating Greek Army... "

Forget the history books of each sides' ministry of education. Read some cables of third party diplomats and military officers and the picture is not at all flattering to either side.

Thank you Nikitas. Bafidobullo was under the impression that the Greeks were angels.

I was referring to Smyrna in 1922 and not the Greek Army!

Why did you sack and burn the entire city and send thousands of Greek civilians to their death?

Fred did that? I knew he was a bit naughty, but that comes as something of a surprise.

You as in the Turkish Army.

The Y-Fred clan killed Greek Cypriots in the 1960s as part of the TMT. This he confessed a while ago! Very naughty indeed!

Another TC that preaches empty words of empathy use to hide weapons in his mattress. These weapons were not used for hunting Ampellopoulia!

Really, I confessed what? you arsehole. Please show me where. I guess you believe that if you say it often enough people will believe it. You, DT Oracle and GR are absolute out and out arsehole wankers.

Wash your mouth with soap next time tou speak of YFred clan, if you please sunbeam, what?
Please join us at the lawyers office and repeat that, which is what DT is going to do. We may as well kill two gargas with one stone, what?
That is assuming that he will appear in the lawyers office and repeat what he has been saying.

Yeah funny deal that!

Come to my lawyers office DT! and give them your name, address and passport number and I promise to do the same with your lawyers after you've done that!!

yeah right...

Chicken? what are you afraid of? Does an innocent person have to supply their details to a criminal if they want to take action against them?
No, the lawyers do the necessary.
All that needs to be done at this stage is to prove that you are who you say you are. For what you are doing on the forum its prison for you my friend. Encouraging a person to kill themselves on the internet you'll find is a criminal offence not just a civil action.
You and the likes of you are the real Cyprus problem. It would have been my pleasure to remove just one of you from circulation for a little while, while you are spending time at her majesty's pleasure by your uncle Phillipo and aunty Liz

does this mean you decided against taking your own life?

What's the matter. Pentonville is not good enough for you, do not worry, it will be holloway for you.

[Pyrpolizer]

Time for us all to put on our thinking caps...

In 2004 Turkish Cypriots voted by an overwhelming majority of 65% FOR a solution to reunite Cyprus...In 2010 they voted,albeit by a slim majority,FOR a President who is well known for his wish for a 2 state solution...So,what happened,or what did not happen,during the ensuing 6 years to bring about such a different result??? Please spend at least a couple of minutes seriously pondering this issue before putting fingers to keyboard...Thanks...

Hi Bir,

Sorry to have come late for the "party" of your thread, but to answer your question in just a few words, there is really NO difference between 2004 and the present time votes. The votes and the reasons for voting were and are the same. It only looks different when one reads your question to mean such as "voting for a solution in 2004" and "voting for a 2 state partition today".

Some people say "Tamato" and some people say "Tomato". It is the same damn thing, just said it differently by different people, that's all.!!

Hi,Kikapu...Where have you been? I was getting worried about you...

So,you belong to the same school which says the AP was a partitionist plan...That may be the case,but the TCs who voted in that referandum in 2004 did not believe it was a partitionist plan...They were voting for reunification....Cypriots are emotional people as you know...They wear it on their sleeve and they wear it in their votes...The rejection by the GCs was a terrible slap from which the TCs have not recovered,in my opinion...

The percieved betrayal of the EU (re the isolations and direct trade etc) was considered another slap...There were a lot of other reasons,but the main one I believe is still the manipulation of the settlers vote by Erdogan...You are right there...No country should allow their numbers to be overtaken by foreigners with voting rights,Recognised or Unrecognised...I do feel sorry for the decent,moral,saltofthearth TCs,as they must now feel insignificant pieces on a geopolitical chess board played by the big boys...

The 40% pro-unification TCs only needed that "unification" slogan to get convinced and vote yes. So you are partly right in what you said Bir. In fact this what the majority among that 24% GCs who voted yes needed too.

However you have to think what the remaining 25% of TCs who voted yes really thought about the Anan Plan. It is clear the remaining 35% were definite partitionists who would not be satisfied by anything less crystal and clear. So it is THAT 25% THAT MADE AND STILL MAKES THE DIFFERENCE. Those people are not pro-unification.They are pro either crystal clear partition or a disguised one.

It is that 25% that switched sides today and joined the other 35% to bring Eroglu to power.

[BirKibrisli]

So,you belong to the same school which says the AP was a partitionist plan...That may be the case,but the TCs who voted in that referandum in 2004 did not believe it was a partitionist plan...They were voting for reunification....

How was it marketed to them by the politicians?

Certainly not as a partitionist plan...There was a lot of emphasis on the EU aspect from memory...There is something you and many others here do not understand,Oracle...TCs think that what they have NOW is partition...They have their own state,in which they can feel safe and secure at night...B ecause you dismiss or largely underestimate the trauma suffered by the TCs during 55-74,it doesn't mean they feel the same...For most TCs agreeing to AP was a big compromise...That is why they felt so rejected...I don't really expect you to understand....

[Pyrpolizer]

You've hit the nail on the head on why a party such as DISY supported the Annan Plan. Regardless of how Bananiot supports people like Anastasiades, he should know that their goal has always been to have a pure Greek state in Cyprus. Whether this is with 100% of the land or 63% of the land is a minor setback for them.

The Annan Plan would have given them the confederal structure to finally fullfill the double union they've dreamed of. What they didn't count on was that Turkey was given rights over the south of the island with that mosntrous plan which made them think a little.....just a little cause they still supported it.

I mentioned the same things 100s of times in this forum. Very glad you have the same thoughts.
My beleif is also that the scope of the coup and the invasion that followed was to achieve double Enosis.

[Pyrpolizer]

@Yfred

What is it with you man, what? I hear they would take you to court, and you take it seriously...
Those Latins must have been more irritating to the Greeks than the Ottomans me thinks, what?

[BirKibrisli]

Time for us all to put on our thinking caps...

In 2004 Turkish Cypriots voted by an overwhelming majority of 65% FOR a solution to reunite Cyprus...In 2010 they voted,albeit by a slim majority,FOR a President who is well known for his wish for a 2 state solution...So,what happened,or what did not happen,during the ensuing 6 years to bring about such a different result??? Please spend at least a couple of minutes seriously pondering this issue before putting fingers to keyboard...Thanks...

Hi Bir,

Sorry to have come late for the "party" of your thread, but to answer your question in just a few words, there is really NO difference between 2004 and the present time votes. The votes and the reasons for voting were and are the same. It only looks different when one reads your question to mean such as "voting for a solution in 2004" and "voting for a 2 state partition today".

Some people say "Tamato" and some people say "Tomato". It is the same damn thing, just said it differently by different people, that's all.!!

Hi,Kikapu...Where have you been? I was getting worried about you...

So,you belong to the same school which says the AP was a partitionist plan...That may be the case,but the TCs who voted in that referandum in 2004 did not believe it was a partitionist plan...They were voting for reunification....Cypriots are emotional people as you know...They wear it on their sleeve and they wear it in their votes...The rejection by the GCs was a terrible slap from which the TCs have not recovered,in my opinion...

The percieved betrayal of the EU (re the isolations and direct trade etc) was considered another slap...There were a lot of other reasons,but the main one I believe is still the manipulation of the settlers vote by Erdogan...You are right there...No country should allow their numbers to be overtaken by foreigners with voting rights,Recognised or Unrecognised...I do feel sorry for the decent,moral,saltofthearth TCs,as they must now feel insignificant pieces on a geopolitical chess board played by the big boys...

The 40% pro-unification TCs only needed that "unification" slogan to get convinced and vote yes. So you are partly right in what you said Bir. In fact this what the majority among that 35% GCs who voted yes needed too.

However you have to think what the remaining 25% of TCs who voted yes really thought about the Anan Plan. It is clear the remaining 35% were definite partitionists who would not be satisfied by anything less crystal and clear. So it is THAT 25% THAT MADE AND STILL MAKES THE DIFFERENCE. Those people are not pro-unification.They are pro either crystal clear partition or a disguised one.

It is that 25% that switched sides today and joined the other 35% to bring Eroglu to power.

Hello,dear Pyro...You might well be right...I know there was a lot of euphoria amongst the TCs at the time....People just got carried away with their emotions...Not many of them would've read the whole thing,let alone think about it deeply...I was amazed by one thing at the time...Morphou area,which was to be returned,also voted overwhelmingly for the AP...There were a lot of people happy to be made refugees for the second or third time...Was it you who said only the town would be returned but not the surrounding fields...???That was news to me...To be honest i hadnt read the whole plan carefully...I depended a lot on the TC newspapers for my information...The progressive ones were for it,the conservative ones against...I assumed it was a good plan...since Denktas too was opposing it...One thing I still insist on,it was better than the status quo for both sides,at least it gave us a chance to move on a little bit and see what the future would bring...As we are,we are slowly inching our way to certain partition...If you people are worried about partition,you must also worry about keeping the status quo for much longer,because soon Partition will be the only possible solution...The population in the North will vote for nothing else...