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[Kikapu]

Time for us all to put on our thinking caps...

In 2004 Turkish Cypriots voted by an overwhelming majority of 65% FOR a solution to reunite Cyprus...In 2010 they voted,albeit by a slim majority,FOR a President who is well known for his wish for a 2 state solution...So,what happened,or what did not happen,during the ensuing 6 years to bring about such a different result??? Please spend at least a couple of minutes seriously pondering this issue before putting fingers to keyboard...Thanks...

Hi Bir,

Sorry to have come late for the "party" of your thread, but to answer your question in just a few words, there is really NO difference between 2004 and the present time votes. The votes and the reasons for voting were and are the same. It only looks different when one reads your question to mean such as "voting for a solution in 2004" and "voting for a 2 state partition today".

Some people say "Tamato" and some people say "Tomato". It is the same damn thing, just said it differently by different people, that's all.!!

[DT.]

"Our history books say it was the retreating Greek Army... "

Forget the history books of each sides' ministry of education. Read some cables of third party diplomats and military officers and the picture is not at all flattering to either side.

Thank you Nikitas. Bafidobullo was under the impression that the Greeks were angels.

I was referring to Smyrna in 1922 and not the Greek Army!

Why did you sack and burn the entire city and send thousands of Greek civilians to their death?

Fred did that? I knew he was a bit naughty, but that comes as something of a surprise.

You as in the Turkish Army.

The Y-Fred clan killed Greek Cypriots in the 1960s as part of the TMT. This he confessed a while ago! Very naughty indeed!

Another TC that preaches empty words of empathy use to hide weapons in his mattress. These weapons were not used for hunting Ampellopoulia!

Really, I confessed what? you arsehole. Please show me where. I guess you believe that if you say it often enough people will believe it. You, DT Oracle and GR are absolute out and out arsehole wankers.

Wash your mouth with soap next time tou speak of YFred clan, if you please sunbeam, what?
Please join us at the lawyers office and repeat that, which is what DT is going to do. We may as well kill two gargas with one stone, what?
That is assuming that he will appear in the lawyers office and repeat what he has been saying.

Yeah funny deal that!

Come to my lawyers office DT! and give them your name, address and passport number and I promise to do the same with your lawyers after you've done that!!

yeah right...

[Nikitas]

"In 1922, there existed no entity that could possibly be referred to as the 'Turkish army'."

Tim, the forces led by Attaturk were not quite Ottoman and not yet Turkish since the republic had not been created. Failing a better name the word Turkish will do.

[BirKibrisli]

Time for us all to put on our thinking caps...

In 2004 Turkish Cypriots voted by an overwhelming majority of 65% FOR a solution to reunite Cyprus...In 2010 they voted,albeit by a slim majority,FOR a President who is well known for his wish for a 2 state solution...So,what happened,or what did not happen,during the ensuing 6 years to bring about such a different result??? Please spend at least a couple of minutes seriously pondering this issue before putting fingers to keyboard...Thanks...

Hi Bir,

Sorry to have come late for the "party" of your thread, but to answer your question in just a few words, there is really NO difference between 2004 and the present time votes. The votes and the reasons for voting were and are the same. It only looks different when one reads your question to mean such as "voting for a solution in 2004" and "voting for a 2 state partition today".

Some people say "Tamato" and some people say "Tomato". It is the same damn thing, just said it differently by different people, that's all.!!

Hi,Kikapu...Where have you been? I was getting worried about you...

So,you belong to the same school which says the AP was a partitionist plan...That may be the case,but the TCs who voted in that referandum in 2004 did not believe it was a partitionist plan...They were voting for reunification....Cypriots are emotional people as you know...They wear it on their sleeve and they wear it in their votes...The rejection by the GCs was a terrible slap from which the TCs have not recovered,in my opinion...

The percieved betrayal of the EU (re the isolations and direct trade etc) was considered another slap...There were a lot of other reasons,but the main one I believe is still the manipulation of the settlers vote by Erdogan...You are right there...No country should allow their numbers to be overtaken by foreigners with voting rights,Recognised or Unrecognised...I do feel sorry for the decent,moral,saltofthearth TCs,as they must now feel insignificant pieces on a geopolitical chess board played by the big boys...

[Paphitis]

"Our history books say it was the retreating Greek Army... "

Forget the history books of each sides' ministry of education. Read some cables of third party diplomats and military officers and the picture is not at all flattering to either side.

Thank you Nikitas. Bafidobullo was under the impression that the Greeks were angels.

I was referring to Smyrna in 1922 and not the Greek Army!

Why did you sack and burn the entire city and send thousands of Greek civilians to their death?

Fred did that? I knew he was a bit naughty, but that comes as something of a surprise.

You as in the Turkish Army.

The Y-Fred clan killed Greek Cypriots in the 1960s as part of the TMT. This he confessed a while ago! Very naughty indeed!

Another TC that preaches empty words of empathy use to hide weapons in his mattress. These weapons were not used for hunting Ampellopoulia!

Really, I confessed what? you arsehole. Please show me where. I guess you believe that if you say it often enough people will believe it. You, DT Oracle and GR are absolute out and out arsehole wankers.

Wash your mouth with soap next time tou speak of YFred clan, if you please sunbeam, what?
Please join us at the lawyers office and repeat that, which is what DT is going to do. We may as well kill two gargas with one stone, what?
That is assuming that he will appear in the lawyers office and repeat what he has been saying.

Not a problem sunshine.

When you and DT agree on a time to meet up in London, I am happy to be video conferenced. I'm certain that repeating your very confessions on this forum is no offence....

Then you can agree to see DT's london Lawyer and my RoC Lawyer in Nicosia, so we can sue your pants off for being so stupid!

Just name the date and time!

[Tim Drayton]

"In 1922, there existed no entity that could possibly be referred to as the 'Turkish army'."

Tim, the forces led by Attaturk were not quite Ottoman and not yet Turkish since the republic had not been created. Failing a better name the word Turkish will do.

But, my dear Nikitas, a better and more accurate term does exist:

http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/tango/turkey1919.htm

In 1919, he [Mustafa Kemal] gained an official post in Anatolia (Asian Turkey), from which he led a national resistance movement against both the sultan's armies and Greek occupying forces.

In my book, 'national resistance movement' makes far more sense.

[miltiades]

Time for us all to put on our thinking caps...

In 2004 Turkish Cypriots voted by an overwhelming majority of 65% FOR a solution to reunite Cyprus...In 2010 they voted,albeit by a slim majority,FOR a President who is well known for his wish for a 2 state solution...So,what happened,or what did not happen,during the ensuing 6 years to bring about such a different result??? Please spend at least a couple of minutes seriously pondering this issue before putting fingers to keyboard...Thanks...

Hi Bir,

Sorry to have come late for the "party" of your thread, but to answer your question in just a few words, there is really NO difference between 2004 and the present time votes. The votes and the reasons for voting were and are the same. It only looks different when one reads your question to mean such as "voting for a solution in 2004" and "voting for a 2 state partition today".

Some people say "Tamato" and some people say "Tomato". It is the same damn thing, just said it differently by different people, that's all.!!

Hi,Kikapu...Where have you been? I was getting worried about you...

So,you belong to the same school which says the AP was a partitionist plan...That may be the case,but the TCs who voted in that referandum in 2004 did not believe it was a partitionist plan...They were voting for reunification....Cypriots are emotional people as you know...They wear it on their sleeve and they wear it in their votes...The rejection by the GCs was a terrible slap from which the TCs have not recovered,in my opinion...

The percieved betrayal of the EU (re the isolations and direct trade etc) was considered another slap...There were a lot of other reasons,but the main one I believe is still the manipulation of the settlers vote by Erdogan...You are right there...No country should allow their numbers to be overtaken by foreigners with voting rights,Recognised or Unrecognised...I do feel sorry for the decent,moral,saltofthearth TCs,as they must now feel insignificant pieces on a geopolitical chess board played by the big boys...

I have consistently supported and still do the re- unification of our common homeland and the reconciliation of our people , those that are still living in the passed refusing to move on.
I also vehemently opposed the AP . Re-unification was not part of the AP. Permanent division was! Why on earth should I as a Cypriot have to accept that the legal instruments of my island are half Greek and half Turkish. Why on earth should I as a Cypriot walk into a Police station flying either a Greek or a Turkish flag. The Plan was diabolical since it merely legalized the division of our island.
The core of the problem is twofold. Turkey and Greece the cancers eating away at our people, get shot of them and perhaps we may have a reasonable chance as Cypriots to get on as I indeed do with the T/Cs who share my devotion to our common homeland. Embrace one or the other of these two foreign relations and you repudiate your true homeland becoming either a Turk or a Greek with the "Cypriot" tugged in as a mere habit.

[DT.]

Time for us all to put on our thinking caps...

In 2004 Turkish Cypriots voted by an overwhelming majority of 65% FOR a solution to reunite Cyprus...In 2010 they voted,albeit by a slim majority,FOR a President who is well known for his wish for a 2 state solution...So,what happened,or what did not happen,during the ensuing 6 years to bring about such a different result??? Please spend at least a couple of minutes seriously pondering this issue before putting fingers to keyboard...Thanks...

Hi Bir,

Sorry to have come late for the "party" of your thread, but to answer your question in just a few words, there is really NO difference between 2004 and the present time votes. The votes and the reasons for voting were and are the same. It only looks different when one reads your question to mean such as "voting for a solution in 2004" and "voting for a 2 state partition today".

Some people say "Tamato" and some people say "Tomato". It is the same damn thing, just said it differently by different people, that's all.!!

Hi,Kikapu...Where have you been? I was getting worried about you...

So,you belong to the same school which says the AP was a partitionist plan...That may be the case,but the TCs who voted in that referandum in 2004 did not believe it was a partitionist plan...They were voting for reunification....Cypriots are emotional people as you know...They wear it on their sleeve and they wear it in their votes...The rejection by the GCs was a terrible slap from which the TCs have not recovered,in my opinion...

The percieved betrayal of the EU (re the isolations and direct trade etc) was considered another slap...There were a lot of other reasons,but the main one I believe is still the manipulation of the settlers vote by Erdogan...You are right there...No country should allow their numbers to be overtaken by foreigners with voting rights,Recognised or Unrecognised...I do feel sorry for the decent,moral,saltofthearth TCs,as they must now feel insignificant pieces on a geopolitical chess board played by the big boys...

I have consistently supported and still do the re- unification of our common homeland and the reconciliation of our people , those that are still living in the passed refusing to move on.
I also vehemently opposed the AP . Re-unification was not part of the AP. Permanent division was! Why on earth should I as a Cypriot have to accept that the legal instruments of my island are half Greek and half Turkish. Why on earth should I as a Cypriot walk into a Police station flying either a Greek or a Turkish flag. The Plan was diabolical since it merely legalized the division of our island.
The core of the problem is twofold. Turkey and Greece the cancers eating away at our people, get shot of them and perhaps we may have a reasonable chance as Cypriots to get on as I indeed do with the T/Cs who share my devotion to our common homeland. Embrace one or the other of these two foreign relations and you repudiate your true homeland becoming either a Turk or a Greek with the "Cypriot" tugged in as a mere habit.

You've hit the nail on the head on why a party such as DISY supported the Annan Plan. Regardless of how Bananiot supports people like Anastasiades, he should know that their goal has always been to have a pure Greek state in Cyprus. Whether this is with 100% of the land or 63% of the land is a minor setback for them.

The Annan Plan would have given them the confederal structure to finally fullfill the double union they've dreamed of. What they didn't count on was that Turkey was given rights over the south of the island with that mosntrous plan which made them think a little.....just a little cause they still supported it.

[Oracle]

So,you belong to the same school which says the AP was a partitionist plan...That may be the case,but the TCs who voted in that referandum in 2004 did not believe it was a partitionist plan...They were voting for reunification....

How was it marketed to them by the politicians?

[YFred]

"Our history books say it was the retreating Greek Army... "

Forget the history books of each sides' ministry of education. Read some cables of third party diplomats and military officers and the picture is not at all flattering to either side.

Thank you Nikitas. Bafidobullo was under the impression that the Greeks were angels.

I was referring to Smyrna in 1922 and not the Greek Army!

Why did you sack and burn the entire city and send thousands of Greek civilians to their death?

Fred did that? I knew he was a bit naughty, but that comes as something of a surprise.

You as in the Turkish Army.

The Y-Fred clan killed Greek Cypriots in the 1960s as part of the TMT. This he confessed a while ago! Very naughty indeed!

Another TC that preaches empty words of empathy use to hide weapons in his mattress. These weapons were not used for hunting Ampellopoulia!

Really, I confessed what? you arsehole. Please show me where. I guess you believe that if you say it often enough people will believe it. You, DT Oracle and GR are absolute out and out arsehole wankers.

Wash your mouth with soap next time tou speak of YFred clan, if you please sunbeam, what?
Please join us at the lawyers office and repeat that, which is what DT is going to do. We may as well kill two gargas with one stone, what?
That is assuming that he will appear in the lawyers office and repeat what he has been saying.

Not a problem sunshine.

When you and DT agree on a time to meet up in London, I am happy to be video conferenced. I'm certain that repeating your very confessions on this forum is no offence....

Then you can agree to see DT's london Lawyer and my RoC Lawyer in Nicosia, so we can sue your pants off for being so stupid!

Just name the date and time!

All that's required is your real name and contact address to my lawyer and he'll be in touch, you asshole.
What do you need a video conference for? to see your ugly face? no thanks. Do you have the balls? I think not.