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Turk genclerinin dostluk eline yunan itleri yine havlayarak karsilik veriyor. youtubedaki greek-Turkish videolarina bakin hepsi boyledir. Genelde Turkler koyar boyle dostluk videolarini, bu essek yunan gencligide hemen saldirarak? karsilik verir. bizimkiler genede koyar. hic bir yunan gencide cikip havlayan yunanlarin aksine birsey soylemez. dostluk falan hikaye gulum insanla it dost olmaz.

Vre esei, ma e tourgiepses vre

na sou po tin alitheia enikserw ti simeni eida to se ena youtube video kati egra4en enas tourkos..

but since runaway agrees it cant be a good thing he said lol

Reh Palio men do bis sto Bastardo25 dibbode. Ine delya gharos.

YLord,

Keep up the bollocks and you may hit the 10K tomorrow.

Am I gettting a pay rise? TFFT.

We GCs fork out a lot for you TCs...

There is no denying, wether we find you f@#!ing anoying or not, you are entering the realm of folklore in this forum.

Well thats good, cause it matches with my taste in anatolian folk music.

Make sure yoy see your 10K with a tune then.

[YFred]

Turk genclerinin dostluk eline yunan itleri yine havlayarak karsilik veriyor. youtubedaki greek-Turkish videolarina bakin hepsi boyledir. Genelde Turkler koyar boyle dostluk videolarini, bu essek yunan gencligide hemen saldirarak? karsilik verir. bizimkiler genede koyar. hic bir yunan gencide cikip havlayan yunanlarin aksine birsey soylemez. dostluk falan hikaye gulum insanla it dost olmaz.

Vre esei, ma e tourgiepses vre

na sou po tin alitheia enikserw ti simeni eida to se ena youtube video kati egra4en enas tourkos..

but since runaway agrees it cant be a good thing he said lol

Reh Palio men do bis sto Bastardo25 dibbode. Ine delya gharos.

YLord,

Keep up the bollocks and you may hit the 10K tomorrow.

Am I gettting a pay rise? TFFT.

We GCs fork out a lot for you TCs...

There is no denying, wether we find you f@#!ing anoying or not, you are entering the realm of folklore in this forum.

Well thats good, cause it matches with my taste in anatolian folk music.

Make sure yoy see your 10K with a tune then.

I've got just the song by Melike Demirag. Para para para.

[Paphitis]

Isn't it Greek Cypriot policy that "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed"....You can't have it both ways,Paphidis...When everything is agreed on you might just get Varosia...

The above was offered not as a comprehensive settlement to the entire Cyprus problem. It merely addresses your need for direct trade, and our need to return 45,000 refugees to their city.

You don't want to return it because you wish to hold the city hostage and use it as a bargaining chip. This shows your arrogance and total contempt to your fellow 45,000 Cypriot compatriots. Where is the empathy now Bir? When it suits you, be preach empty words of empathy and compassion! But this does not seem to apply when you need to compromise and give something up for the greater good of your long suffering 'compatriots'. No Varosha, no direct trade.

You made this choice. Our Varoshiotes are really feeling the empathy now!

Status Quo is fine ith us. But will it be OK with Eroglu and Denktask in 5 years time? I think not!

Likewise, you will have direct trade when there is a comprehensive settlement!

I have a lot of empathy for the refugees from Varosia,Paphidis...If they had half as much for me,Cypro would have been solved long ago...
If it was up to me they would have Varosia back yesterday...and I would want nothing in return either...

I am simply reminding you that it is your side's policy that nothing will be agreed untill all is agreed...We can't have piecemeal agreements...So you can't have Varosia...Take it up with President X...Direct trade for the trnc will be decided by the appropriate commission of the EU...Politics and self-interest will dominate as usual...The decision could go either way...

And I wish you would stop your childish and naive interpretations of my posts...Reminding you of your own side's rules does not mean I am "arrogant" or "have contempt for the refugees"...

But we have already agreed/offered direct trade in exchange for Varoshia. This is completely independent of the negotiations and the offer was made outside the negotiation framework or parameters. Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed applies to the BBF negotiations which were underway.

Direct trade can only be accepted through a designated RoC port and not an occupied port that is declared illegal. You will realise this the hard way.

But since we have offered direct trade already, then what is holding you back? We have agreed to offer direct trade for Varoshia. If there was any compassion towards the 45,000 GC refugees, then Talat would have accepted. Obviously, you have opted for the all or nothing approach, and this is going to hurt you really bad.

You want direct trade without handing Varoshia back. It won't work!

You know what ,Paphidis...Your bloody mindedness is working against you here too...What the hell the trnc need direct trade for anyway? They have nothing to trade...

At least you are very realistic about the "trnc" self worth.

As I told VP, we call the shots from our internationally recognised Republic.

Just try telling your compatriots that they are a waste of space and contribute to nothing at all that is constructive.

w

[wyoming cowboy]

You are right,Piratis...We have been through all this before,and it hasnt helped improve mutual understanding or empathy...There is no point having the same arguments over and over again...
we will have to agree to disagree over the nature of the Annan Plan...You guys are very ready to quote all the UN resolutions in your favour,but cannot bring yourselves to vote for a plan sanctioned by the UN...Anyway that is your prerogative...But just explain 2 things for me,if you wouldn't mind...

Don't confuse UN Resolutions with the Annan plan. Everybody is supposed to obey the UN resolutions (and Turkey doesn't). The Annan plan was just a proposal which we had every right to reject.

One: How would the Annan Plan or even agreed Partition would give Turkey control over the whole island??? I'd appreciate if you are specific...For example how would Turkey control RoC's foreign policy?
Environment policy,defence policy,health policy,education policy,transport and technology policy,immigration policy,industrial relations policy?????
I know the bit about the oil and continental shelf so you can skip that...

Two: How does the status quo prevents your worst fear, Turkey controlling the RoC ????

I am really curious...

I explained this before but I will explain it again:

The TCs are a minority of 18%. What TCs deserve is what every other minority in every other country deserves. Nothing less and nothing more. The TCs have no right to demand more than say the Greek minority in Turkey, the Muslim minority in Bulgaria or the Aboriginals in Australia. The way that TCs get more than what they deserve is by collaborating with foreign imperialists. Turkey uses force and blackmail to take from us and give to the TCs, and in return the TCs serve the interests of Turkey in Cyprus.

All you need to do is to see how Turkey controls the "trnc". The TC leaders know that they own their position to Turkey (since without Turkey there wouldn't be any "trnc") and therefore they are obligated to serve their master, without whom they wouldn't have that job. The same will be true with the TC leadership in a "united" Cyprus if the "solution" is an unfair one and allows the puppets of Turkey to come to power due to an undemocratic system that was imposed on Cyprus by Turkey, and not because they were elected democratically by the majority of the Cypriot people.

Turkey might not get involved in every little detail of our internal affairs (although they seem to do so in the "trnc") but I don't want my freedom to depend on some islamofascist government in Turkey.

The status quo gives less power to Turkey to control the whole of Cyprus even compared to the period before 1974. Now they can just issue public threats to which we are able to resit and fight, ofter successfully.

Remember how they were trying to prevent Cyprus from joining the EU? They failed to stop us. Now imagine if Eroglu (or whatever) was the "co-president" of Cyprus. All Turkey would have to do is to tell to her puppet to block the EU accession of Cyprus. So Turkey might not tell us what time we have to go to sleep every night, but she will definitely control every important decision that Cyprus would take.

You make some excellent points Piratis, the devil is in the detail as they say...If the solution doesnt include a true BBF, where in the Federal government one vote per citizen, then we are fooling ourselves into oblivion.....The fact remains and its been the case Turkey has never been sincere about any solution and they play the political game very well.

[apc2010]

Sad as it is ,i have just met a couple (19 ) who have no care or opinion on their country .......
both Cypriot they look after number 1..................................

[BirKibrisli]

You are right,Piratis...We have been through all this before,and it hasnt helped improve mutual understanding or empathy...There is no point having the same arguments over and over again...
we will have to agree to disagree over the nature of the Annan Plan...You guys are very ready to quote all the UN resolutions in your favour,but cannot bring yourselves to vote for a plan sanctioned by the UN...Anyway that is your prerogative...But just explain 2 things for me,if you wouldn't mind...

Don't confuse UN Resolutions with the Annan plan. Everybody is supposed to obey the UN resolutions (and Turkey doesn't). The Annan plan was just a proposal which we had every right to reject.

One: How would the Annan Plan or even agreed Partition would give Turkey control over the whole island??? I'd appreciate if you are specific...For example how would Turkey control RoC's foreign policy?
Environment policy,defence policy,health policy,education policy,transport and technology policy,immigration policy,industrial relations policy?????
I know the bit about the oil and continental shelf so you can skip that...

Two: How does the status quo prevents your worst fear, Turkey controlling the RoC ????

I am really curious...

I explained this before but I will explain it again:

The TCs are a minority of 18%. What TCs deserve is what every other minority in every other country deserves. Nothing less and nothing more. The TCs have no right to demand more than say the Greek minority in Turkey, the Muslim minority in Bulgaria or the Aboriginals in Australia. The way that TCs get more than what they deserve is by collaborating with foreign imperialists. Turkey uses force and blackmail to take from us and give to the TCs, and in return the TCs serve the interests of Turkey in Cyprus.

All you need to do is to see how Turkey controls the "trnc". The TC leaders know that they own their position to Turkey (since without Turkey there wouldn't be any "trnc") and therefore they are obligated to serve their master, without whom they wouldn't have that job. The same will be true with the TC leadership in a "united" Cyprus if the "solution" is an unfair one and allows the puppets of Turkey to come to power due to an undemocratic system that was imposed on Cyprus by Turkey, and not because they were elected democratically by the majority of the Cypriot people.

Turkey might not get involved in every little detail of our internal affairs (although they seem to do so in the "trnc") but I don't want my freedom to depend on some islamofascist government in Turkey.

The status quo gives less power to Turkey to control the whole of Cyprus even compared to the period before 1974. Now they can just issue public threats to which we are able to resit and fight, ofter successfully.

Remember how they were trying to prevent Cyprus from joining the EU? They failed to stop us. Now imagine if Eroglu (or whatever) was the "co-president" of Cyprus. All Turkey would have to do is to tell to her puppet to block the EU accession of Cyprus. So Turkey might not tell us what time we have to go to sleep every night, but she will definitely control every important decision that Cyprus would take.

Oh,Okey,thanks Piratis...Now it is very clear to me...You are suffering from Paranoia... Do yourself a favour and get some help quickly...

[DT.]

You are right,Piratis...We have been through all this before,and it hasnt helped improve mutual understanding or empathy...There is no point having the same arguments over and over again...
we will have to agree to disagree over the nature of the Annan Plan...You guys are very ready to quote all the UN resolutions in your favour,but cannot bring yourselves to vote for a plan sanctioned by the UN...Anyway that is your prerogative...But just explain 2 things for me,if you wouldn't mind...

Don't confuse UN Resolutions with the Annan plan. Everybody is supposed to obey the UN resolutions (and Turkey doesn't). The Annan plan was just a proposal which we had every right to reject.

One: How would the Annan Plan or even agreed Partition would give Turkey control over the whole island??? I'd appreciate if you are specific...For example how would Turkey control RoC's foreign policy?
Environment policy,defence policy,health policy,education policy,transport and technology policy,immigration policy,industrial relations policy?????
I know the bit about the oil and continental shelf so you can skip that...

Two: How does the status quo prevents your worst fear, Turkey controlling the RoC ????

I am really curious...

I explained this before but I will explain it again:

The TCs are a minority of 18%. What TCs deserve is what every other minority in every other country deserves. Nothing less and nothing more. The TCs have no right to demand more than say the Greek minority in Turkey, the Muslim minority in Bulgaria or the Aboriginals in Australia. The way that TCs get more than what they deserve is by collaborating with foreign imperialists. Turkey uses force and blackmail to take from us and give to the TCs, and in return the TCs serve the interests of Turkey in Cyprus.

All you need to do is to see how Turkey controls the "trnc". The TC leaders know that they own their position to Turkey (since without Turkey there wouldn't be any "trnc") and therefore they are obligated to serve their master, without whom they wouldn't have that job. The same will be true with the TC leadership in a "united" Cyprus if the "solution" is an unfair one and allows the puppets of Turkey to come to power due to an undemocratic system that was imposed on Cyprus by Turkey, and not because they were elected democratically by the majority of the Cypriot people.

Turkey might not get involved in every little detail of our internal affairs (although they seem to do so in the "trnc") but I don't want my freedom to depend on some islamofascist government in Turkey.

The status quo gives less power to Turkey to control the whole of Cyprus even compared to the period before 1974. Now they can just issue public threats to which we are able to resit and fight, ofter successfully.

Remember how they were trying to prevent Cyprus from joining the EU? They failed to stop us. Now imagine if Eroglu (or whatever) was the "co-president" of Cyprus. All Turkey would have to do is to tell to her puppet to block the EU accession of Cyprus. So Turkey might not tell us what time we have to go to sleep every night, but she will definitely control every important decision that Cyprus would take.

Oh,Okey,thanks Piratis...Now it is very clear to me...You are suffering from Paranoia... Do yourself a favour and get some help quickly...

40,000 occupation troops stationed for ofensive rather than defensive activity. (artillery in front of infantry rather than vice versa of NG.) Eroglu a potential future President of a united Cyprus demanding the sovereignty of trnc and its loyalty to Turkey.....and Bir calls Piratis paranoid.

Tell me Bir, after decades of having your bills paid for by Turkey do you think that on the solution Turkey will just sit back and not expect any say in the governing of Cyprus?

Unless checks are put in place by the evolved constitution that could come out of a solution then the risks that the Annan plan had could have been lethal for Cyprus and would have lead to paralysis and troubles again.

You cannot have a puppet of a 3rd state having the final say in the executive arm of any country.

[wyoming cowboy]

Eroglu president of a united cyprus, and Bir and Bananoit are reading their books while the whole of Cyprus would be burning......

[Acikgoz]

Looks like another thread has gone past its useful/interesting period.

[BirKibrisli]

You are right,Piratis...We have been through all this before,and it hasnt helped improve mutual understanding or empathy...There is no point having the same arguments over and over again...
we will have to agree to disagree over the nature of the Annan Plan...You guys are very ready to quote all the UN resolutions in your favour,but cannot bring yourselves to vote for a plan sanctioned by the UN...Anyway that is your prerogative...But just explain 2 things for me,if you wouldn't mind...

Don't confuse UN Resolutions with the Annan plan. Everybody is supposed to obey the UN resolutions (and Turkey doesn't). The Annan plan was just a proposal which we had every right to reject.

One: How would the Annan Plan or even agreed Partition would give Turkey control over the whole island??? I'd appreciate if you are specific...For example how would Turkey control RoC's foreign policy?
Environment policy,defence policy,health policy,education policy,transport and technology policy,immigration policy,industrial relations policy?????
I know the bit about the oil and continental shelf so you can skip that...

Two: How does the status quo prevents your worst fear, Turkey controlling the RoC ????

I am really curious...

I explained this before but I will explain it again:

The TCs are a minority of 18%. What TCs deserve is what every other minority in every other country deserves. Nothing less and nothing more. The TCs have no right to demand more than say the Greek minority in Turkey, the Muslim minority in Bulgaria or the Aboriginals in Australia. The way that TCs get more than what they deserve is by collaborating with foreign imperialists. Turkey uses force and blackmail to take from us and give to the TCs, and in return the TCs serve the interests of Turkey in Cyprus.

All you need to do is to see how Turkey controls the "trnc". The TC leaders know that they own their position to Turkey (since without Turkey there wouldn't be any "trnc") and therefore they are obligated to serve their master, without whom they wouldn't have that job. The same will be true with the TC leadership in a "united" Cyprus if the "solution" is an unfair one and allows the puppets of Turkey to come to power due to an undemocratic system that was imposed on Cyprus by Turkey, and not because they were elected democratically by the majority of the Cypriot people.

Turkey might not get involved in every little detail of our internal affairs (although they seem to do so in the "trnc") but I don't want my freedom to depend on some islamofascist government in Turkey.

The status quo gives less power to Turkey to control the whole of Cyprus even compared to the period before 1974. Now they can just issue public threats to which we are able to resit and fight, ofter successfully.

Remember how they were trying to prevent Cyprus from joining the EU? They failed to stop us. Now imagine if Eroglu (or whatever) was the "co-president" of Cyprus. All Turkey would have to do is to tell to her puppet to block the EU accession of Cyprus. So Turkey might not tell us what time we have to go to sleep every night, but she will definitely control every important decision that Cyprus would take.

Oh,Okey,thanks Piratis...Now it is very clear to me...You are suffering from Paranoia... Do yourself a favour and get some help quickly...

40,000 occupation troops stationed for ofensive rather than defensive activity. (artillery in front of infantry rather than vice versa of NG.) Eroglu a potential future President of a united Cyprus demanding the sovereignty of trnc and its loyalty to Turkey.....and Bir calls Piratis paranoid.

Tell me Bir, after decades of having your bills paid for by Turkey do you think that on the solution Turkey will just sit back and not expect any say in the governing of Cyprus?

Unless checks are put in place by the evolved constitution that could come out of a solution then the risks that the Annan plan had could have been lethal for Cyprus and would have lead to paralysis and troubles again.

You cannot have a puppet of a 3rd state having the final say in the executive arm of any country.

DT>>>You must be suffering from a touch of Piratis' paranoia as well...
It is ok...nothing to be ashamed of...How do you know that the Turkish troops are there for offensive purposes and not defensive??? I dont mean to justifying their prresence,just questioning your conclusion...

For your information,Turkey has not paid ONE single bill for me in my entire life...

Turkey will always have an interest in Cyprus no matter the kind of solution,but never as much as now with this status quo...That is where your paranoia is coming in...If you are afraid of Turkey's influence in Cyprus you should be hurrying up and agreeing to a solution,not making sure the status quo continues forever...If you are waiting for Turkey's infulence in Cyprus to be reduced to zero after any solution, 10 lifetimes will not be enough...After a solution Turkeys influence on Cyprus will be not much greater than Greece's is now...Unless you guys plan to hatch another Akritas plan,if you get my meaning...