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[DT.]

It wasn't EVERYONE who voted who voted for Eroglu. Though a lot of younger TCs I've spoken with recently were rooting for him.

Not sure if the 'talks' had much influence on the result or not really. After all, it is not just a whole generation and more of GCs who have never lived in a United Cyprus, same thing goes for a generation or more of TCs too - and of course the settlers. And the 'Cyprus Talks' had been going on so long with no headway ...

Maybe if Talat and Christofias had been more forthcoming about what they'd agreed/accomplished so far as they went along? And not left the (seemingly) all important issues of PROPERTY and SECURITY until last?

I wasn't talking about the elections results. Talat was no different to Eroglu!

The situation is that there will never be any compromise which will see a True BBF being agreed to and which is workable and viable and is based on UN resolutions and UN framework. This is mainly as a result of unreal demands and expectations from the TC side.

The election results are irrelevant. It is apparent to us, that the TC side want a recognised "trnc". They prefer fully agreed Partition. Unfortunately, they do not know how to achieve this.

Also, I am not saying that most GCs or the RoC will find this acceptable. I just believe that there is a fair chance that it will be acceptable, provided the TC side make certain proposals which are fair. It is certainly my opinion that agreed partition is the only workable and achievable solution if not unitary state or True BBF. Many GCs I speak to feel the same way. For this to be acceptable, it is really up the the TC side to offer a fair 80:20 split which can then be put to a referendum. Otherwise, we just remain with the Status Quo, and this is also fine with us, because we will never sign away 37% of Cypriot territory.

Yes it is painful. But it is hardly our fault. The TCs will not compromise.

They need to work things out for themselves. We know exactly what we want, but it appears that they do not know how to achieve what they want!

They need to make the first move.

Wasn't it the GCs who turned down a BBF plan put forward by the UN

wasn't a bbf. was a bbc.

[Acikgoz]

There is a True BBF, and the GCs have accepted this a long time ago.

You now want direct trade. Well, we want Varoshia. It simplifies things a lot. You declined this offer as well!

Oh Paphitis - are you really that unworldly?
A True BBF? Please explain where it is defined under all manner of principles that have been accepted by all the world as true as the equation 1+1=2
There is not and will not be a TRUE anything in such things. It is ALL subjective.

The offer for Varosha was not for direct trade, far from it.
Check your details then come back to this table. As you do so you'll see the gaping holes in this as a genuine compromise.

In your new forum you talk of how you want it to bring the sides better understanding for one Cyprus, yet you espouse only ideas that enforce the partitionist argument.

[Paphitis]

It wasn't EVERYONE who voted who voted for Eroglu. Though a lot of younger TCs I've spoken with recently were rooting for him.

Not sure if the 'talks' had much influence on the result or not really. After all, it is not just a whole generation and more of GCs who have never lived in a United Cyprus, same thing goes for a generation or more of TCs too - and of course the settlers. And the 'Cyprus Talks' had been going on so long with no headway ...

Maybe if Talat and Christofias had been more forthcoming about what they'd agreed/accomplished so far as they went along? And not left the (seemingly) all important issues of PROPERTY and SECURITY until last?

I wasn't talking about the elections results. Talat was no different to Eroglu!

The situation is that there will never be any compromise which will see a True BBF being agreed to and which is workable and viable and is based on UN resolutions and UN framework. This is mainly as a result of unreal demands and expectations from the TC side.

The election results are irrelevant. It is apparent to us, that the TC side want a recognised "trnc". They prefer fully agreed Partition. Unfortunately, they do not know how to achieve this.

Also, I am not saying that most GCs or the RoC will find this acceptable. I just believe that there is a fair chance that it will be acceptable, provided the TC side make certain proposals which are fair. It is certainly my opinion that agreed partition is the only workable and achievable solution if not unitary state or True BBF. Many GCs I speak to feel the same way. For this to be acceptable, it is really up the the TC side to offer a fair 80:20 split which can then be put to a referendum. Otherwise, we just remain with the Status Quo, and this is also fine with us, because we will never sign away 37% of Cypriot territory.

Yes it is painful. But it is hardly our fault. The TCs will not compromise.

They need to work things out for themselves. We know exactly what we want, but it appears that they do not know how to achieve what they want!

They need to make the first move.

Wasn't it the GCs who turned down a BBF plan put forward by the UN

No!

They turned down the Annan Plan!

A True BBF is supposedly being negotiated under Talat. But, if that was the case, it certainly isn't the case now that Eroglu and Denktash are in control of the negotiations. Just be upfront, and tell us what it is you want!

You want agreed partition? Then let the whole world know. If you want to know how to achieve it, then employ the intellect of a child. It ain't that difficult!

[Paphitis]

There is a True BBF, and the GCs have accepted this a long time ago.

You now want direct trade. Well, we want Varoshia. It simplifies things a lot. You declined this offer as well!

Oh Paphitis - are you really that unworldly?
A True BBF? Please explain where it is defined under all manner of principles that have been accepted by all the world as true as the equation 1+1=2
There is not and will not be a TRUE anything in such things. It is ALL subjective.

The offer for Varosha was not for direct trade, far from it.
Check your details then come back to this table. As you do so you'll see the gaping holes in this as a genuine compromise.

In your new forum you talk of how you want it to bring the sides better understanding for one Cyprus, yet you espouse only ideas that enforce the partitionist argument.

Sorry, but we don't want any agreements that are "subjective". We want something that will work for us as well!

Status Quo works quite well for us in the meantime! We have everything we want politically, and we ain't going to reduce this to anything "subjective" and unworkable!

My argument is only my opinion. I don't talk on every one's behalf. And naturally, I prefer a true BBF. I prefer a unified State even more. But I don't believe a partnership is possible because you lot just ask for too much. Efendi in the "north" and a say in the "South" does not sit well with me.

It is not us that want partition. Agreed partition is just a realistic outcome under the right conditions and this is my opinion. This still needs to be unanimously accepted.

[YFred]

There is a True BBF, and the GCs have accepted this a long time ago.

You now want direct trade. Well, we want Varoshia. It simplifies things a lot. You declined this offer as well!

Oh Paphitis - are you really that unworldly?
A True BBF? Please explain where it is defined under all manner of principles that have been accepted by all the world as true as the equation 1+1=2
There is not and will not be a TRUE anything in such things. It is ALL subjective.

The offer for Varosha was not for direct trade, far from it.
Check your details then come back to this table. As you do so you'll see the gaping holes in this as a genuine compromise.

In your new forum you talk of how you want it to bring the sides better understanding for one Cyprus, yet you espouse only ideas that enforce the partitionist argument.

Sorry, but we don't want any agreements that are "subjective" We want something that will work for us as well!

Status Quo works quite well for us in the meantime! We have everything we want politically, and we ain't going to reduce this to anything "subjective" and unworkable!

My argument is only my opinion. I don't talk on every one's behalf. And naturally, I prefer a true BBF. I prefer a unified State even more. But I don't believe a partnership is possible because you lot just ask for too much. Efendi in the "north" and a say in the "South" does not sit well with me.

It is not us that want partition. Agreed partition is just a realistic outcome under the right conditions and this is my opinion. This still needs to be unanimously accepted.

I do believe that the eu has finally realised how unfair the staus quo is and will deal with it. Unfortunately I prefer a real musician like Led Zep.

[halil]

Time for us all to put on our thinking caps...

In 2004 Turkish Cypriots voted by an overwhelming majority of 65% FOR a solution to reunite Cyprus...In 2010 they voted,albeit by a slim majority,FOR a President who is well known for his wish for a 2 state solution...So,what happened,or what did not happen,during the ensuing 6 years to bring about such a different result??? Please spend at least a couple of minutes seriously pondering this issue before putting fingers to keyboard...Thanks...

Birkibrisli, from below link u may get some ideas . Link goes to TURKSAM which is the otherside of the coin as well. it was published in 31 March 2010.

http://www.turksam.org/en/a257.html

[Paphitis]

There is a True BBF, and the GCs have accepted this a long time ago.

You now want direct trade. Well, we want Varoshia. It simplifies things a lot. You declined this offer as well!

Oh Paphitis - are you really that unworldly?
A True BBF? Please explain where it is defined under all manner of principles that have been accepted by all the world as true as the equation 1+1=2
There is not and will not be a TRUE anything in such things. It is ALL subjective.

The offer for Varosha was not for direct trade, far from it.
Check your details then come back to this table. As you do so you'll see the gaping holes in this as a genuine compromise.

In your new forum you talk of how you want it to bring the sides better understanding for one Cyprus, yet you espouse only ideas that enforce the partitionist argument.

Sorry, but we don't want any agreements that are "subjective" We want something that will work for us as well!

Status Quo works quite well for us in the meantime! We have everything we want politically, and we ain't going to reduce this to anything "subjective" and unworkable!

My argument is only my opinion. I don't talk on every one's behalf. And naturally, I prefer a true BBF. I prefer a unified State even more. But I don't believe a partnership is possible because you lot just ask for too much. Efendi in the "north" and a say in the "South" does not sit well with me.

It is not us that want partition. Agreed partition is just a realistic outcome under the right conditions and this is my opinion. This still needs to be unanimously accepted.

I do believe that the eu has finally realised how unfair the staus quo is and will deal with it. Unfortunately I prefer a real musician like Led Zep.

Don't hold you breath sunshine, because the EU knows full well that certain legalities can't be sidestepped.

Trade will need to pass through an approved port, and this requires our signature. Good luck!

But you could have accepted the direct trade offer when it was initially offered by the RoC. It is still on offer! Direct trade in return for 45,000 refugees returning to their homes. We can't be more reasonable than that!

[YFred]

There is a True BBF, and the GCs have accepted this a long time ago.

You now want direct trade. Well, we want Varoshia. It simplifies things a lot. You declined this offer as well!

Oh Paphitis - are you really that unworldly?
A True BBF? Please explain where it is defined under all manner of principles that have been accepted by all the world as true as the equation 1+1=2
There is not and will not be a TRUE anything in such things. It is ALL subjective.

The offer for Varosha was not for direct trade, far from it.
Check your details then come back to this table. As you do so you'll see the gaping holes in this as a genuine compromise.

In your new forum you talk of how you want it to bring the sides better understanding for one Cyprus, yet you espouse only ideas that enforce the partitionist argument.

Sorry, but we don't want any agreements that are "subjective" We want something that will work for us as well!

Status Quo works quite well for us in the meantime! We have everything we want politically, and we ain't going to reduce this to anything "subjective" and unworkable!

My argument is only my opinion. I don't talk on every one's behalf. And naturally, I prefer a true BBF. I prefer a unified State even more. But I don't believe a partnership is possible because you lot just ask for too much. Efendi in the "north" and a say in the "South" does not sit well with me.

It is not us that want partition. Agreed partition is just a realistic outcome under the right conditions and this is my opinion. This still needs to be unanimously accepted.

I do believe that the eu has finally realised how unfair the staus quo is and will deal with it. Unfortunately I prefer a real musician like Led Zep.

Don't hold you breath sunshine, because the EU knows full well that certain legalities can't be sidestepped.

Trade will need to pass through an approved port, and this requires our signature. Good luck!

But you could have accepted the direct trade offer when it was initially offered by the RoC. It is still on offer! Direct trade in return for 45,000 refugees returning to their homes. We can't be more reasonable than that!

I don't believe you got it right. It did not include direct flights and it included Magusa being run as a joint venture. Where is the actual offer to see what it says?
I seem to remember the counter proposal asking for all ports to be joint ventures which was also turned down by the GCs.

[Paphitis]

There is a True BBF, and the GCs have accepted this a long time ago.

You now want direct trade. Well, we want Varoshia. It simplifies things a lot. You declined this offer as well!

Oh Paphitis - are you really that unworldly?
A True BBF? Please explain where it is defined under all manner of principles that have been accepted by all the world as true as the equation 1+1=2
There is not and will not be a TRUE anything in such things. It is ALL subjective.

The offer for Varosha was not for direct trade, far from it.
Check your details then come back to this table. As you do so you'll see the gaping holes in this as a genuine compromise.

In your new forum you talk of how you want it to bring the sides better understanding for one Cyprus, yet you espouse only ideas that enforce the partitionist argument.

Sorry, but we don't want any agreements that are "subjective" We want something that will work for us as well!

Status Quo works quite well for us in the meantime! We have everything we want politically, and we ain't going to reduce this to anything "subjective" and unworkable!

My argument is only my opinion. I don't talk on every one's behalf. And naturally, I prefer a true BBF. I prefer a unified State even more. But I don't believe a partnership is possible because you lot just ask for too much. Efendi in the "north" and a say in the "South" does not sit well with me.

It is not us that want partition. Agreed partition is just a realistic outcome under the right conditions and this is my opinion. This still needs to be unanimously accepted.

I do believe that the eu has finally realised how unfair the staus quo is and will deal with it. Unfortunately I prefer a real musician like Led Zep.

Don't hold you breath sunshine, because the EU knows full well that certain legalities can't be sidestepped.

Trade will need to pass through an approved port, and this requires our signature. Good luck!

But you could have accepted the direct trade offer when it was initially offered by the RoC. It is still on offer! Direct trade in return for 45,000 refugees returning to their homes. We can't be more reasonable than that!

I don't believe you got it right. It did not include direct flights and it included Magusa being run as a joint venture. Where is the actual offer to see what it says?
I seem to remember the counter proposal asking for all ports to be joint ventures which was also turned down by the GCs.

The use of Famagusta Harbour requires our signature. It is a sovereign port belonging to the RoC but not under our effective control. How does the EU propose to circumvent International Law? You require our signature. We require Varoshia.

Hand over Varoshia, and you wish may come true. This has been offered already. Is this too difficult?

The place is a Ghost Town. Why so much disregard for your fellow 'compatriots'?

[BirKibrisli]

Isn't it Greek Cypriot policy that "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed"....You can't have it both ways,Paphidis...When everything is agreed on you might just get Varosia...