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[B25]

Whats an Acikgoz???

then you my firend Yfred, in you ealier post you made mention of residents right to vote, but i beg to differ. The settlers were imported in violation of the 4th geneva convention, ie was a war crime. The illegal entry does not qualify them for residency nor citizenship hence they have no right to vote. That said, there purpose of being brought here has been served, ie to stuff the TCs well and truely in the pseudo elections that the occupied areas hold.

This is hardly democratic and to think that the TCs have taken it up the shitter and are now saying thank you!

Then, as we keep telling you Turkey is the one doing the talking. You have confirmed this by going on about the military, Erdogan, deep state AKP, who gives a fuck, really, this is Cyprus, Turkey should not even concern us, but as you and Acikgoz and others have confirmed, the puppets that Kiks rightly portrayed is an accurate description of your new team.

Turkey has a game plan and it is too early to see it, so we will have to wait and see.

[paliometoxo]

it was the votes of all the settlers brought in from mainland turkey that made ergul win by so many votes, maybe of fear of being deported back to turkey or promises of a better life in cyprus, money free housing for the residents who had nothing in turkey and dont want to go back to that life that they had in turkey, was talat not sending lots of them back or illegals?

[Acikgoz]

The settlers were imported in violation of the 4th geneva convention, ie was a war crime.

The illegal entry does not qualify them for residency nor citizenship .

.. this is Cyprus, Turkey should not even concern us,

Turkey has a game plan....

- How's the 4th geneva convention lawsuit against Turkey going for the lawyer lovers? If there was a leg to stand on it would have been stood on already.

- What illegal? An unconstitutional change of a constitution now that is treason.

- Turkey shouldn't concern you - get with the program baby. They are a player and GCs actions FORCE them to be a major player. How many times on international forums have the GC leaders looked for talks directly between GCs and Turkey and not look to incorporate north Cyprus! RoC's actions demand Turkey to be involved.
How many of these posts by GCs have put the whole blame squarely on Turkish immigrants for the outcome as they could not believe that legacy TCs would not want to unify with GCs.

Who doesn't have a game plan? Is the isolation of north Cyprus not a game plan - how's that working out for the GCs that suffered in 1974?


Palio, Talat did send many back, there was such an influx and many illegal. But for those that stayed things were better. If GCs wanted Turkish immigrants to support working towards a solution then discriminating against them was not the way forward. In 2004 a referendum was held, GCs didn't want to take the gamble. Now the stakes in the north are higher and more intractable, and will become more so with the passage of time.

[B25]

The settlers were imported in violation of the 4th geneva convention, ie was a war crime.

The illegal entry does not qualify them for residency nor citizenship .

.. this is Cyprus, Turkey should not even concern us,

Turkey has a game plan....

- How's the 4th geneva convention lawsuit against Turkey going for the lawyer lovers? If there was a leg to stand on it would have been stood on already.

- What illegal? An unconstitutional change of a constitution now that is treason.

- Turkey shouldn't concern you - get with the program baby. They are a player and GCs actions FORCE them to be a major player. How many times on international forums have the GC leaders looked for talks directly between GCs and Turkey and not look to incorporate north Cyprus! RoC's actions demand Turkey to be involved.
How many of these posts by GCs have put the whole blame squarely on Turkish immigrants for the outcome as they could not believe that legacy TCs would not want to unify with GCs.

Who doesn't have a game plan? Is the isolation of north Cyprus not a game plan - how's that working out for the GCs that suffered in 1974?


Palio, Talat did send many back, there was such an influx and many illegal. But for those that stayed things were better. If GCs wanted Turkish immigrants to support working towards a solution then discriminating against them was not the way forward. In 2004 a referendum was held, GCs didn't want to take the gamble. Now the stakes in the north are higher and more intractable, and will become more so with the passage of time.

As expected, you're just full of shit.

The 4th GC, could only be enforced if the US/UK wanted to, but they didn't because they were the ones who put turkey there in the first place.

Constitutions what utter bollocks you speak, you illegally create a pseudo state and then you try to fool the world with pseudo constututions, give us a break!

We know turkey is calling the shots, we have been trying to tell you blind bats for 36 years, but somehow you have this daft notion that the dwindling minority of TCs actually have the speaking power. FFS man, even the damn settlers have out voted you. FACT, wake the fuck up.

The rest of your ridiculous post is just that.

Plus you didn't answer my question, whats an acikgoz????

[Oracle]

Everything about this "election" stinks!

The TCs have no rights, once they betrayed Cyprus, to set up illegal alternatives. End of!

[DT.]

The settlers were imported in violation of the 4th geneva convention, ie was a war crime.

The illegal entry does not qualify them for residency nor citizenship .

.. this is Cyprus, Turkey should not even concern us,

Turkey has a game plan....

- How's the 4th geneva convention lawsuit against Turkey going for the lawyer lovers? If there was a leg to stand on it would have been stood on already..

as is invasion, occupation and the human rights of the citizens of Cyprus. The choice was made for these issues to be solved on the negotiating table, Turkey has already been condemned of these things in the security council resolutions. If there is no political solution then these are all options open to the Republic of Cyprus.

- What illegal? An unconstitutional change of a constitution now that is treason.

I assume you mean Makarios and the 13 proposed amendments. Guess which word's the key one. How can it be unconstitutional if they were simply proposed.

- Turkey shouldn't concern you - get with the program baby. They are a player and GCs actions FORCE them to be a major player. How many times on international forums have the GC leaders looked for talks directly between GCs and Turkey and not look to incorporate north Cyprus! RoC's actions demand Turkey to be involved.
How many of these posts by GCs have put the whole blame squarely on Turkish immigrants for the outcome as they could not believe that legacy TCs would not want to unify with GCs.

sorry, not making any sense here.What are you talking about?

Who doesn't have a game plan? Is the isolation of north Cyprus not a game plan - how's that working out for the GCs that suffered in 1974?

Isolation? You're free to play sports under the associations that are members of the international associations. You're also free to trade under the green line regulation.

The government of Cyprus needs to approve all airports on its territory and as such you do not have a recognised airport where direct flights with the world can take place. With the launch of the new airport in larnaca however and the fact that sometimes I see more TC's in there than GC's makes me think you can live without that shack with a runway so no biggy there.

Palio, Talat did send many back, there was such an influx and many illegal. But for those that stayed things were better. If GCs wanted Turkish immigrants to support working towards a solution then discriminating against them was not the way forward. In 2004 a referendum was held, GCs didn't want to take the gamble. Now the stakes in the north are higher and more intractable, and will become more so with the passage of time.

You calling the Annan Plan a gamble?

[repulsewarrior]

it may be that we have turned full circle, with Denktash and his father (essentially) at the negociating table, the Turkish Cypriot identity will be deeply wounded without success. remember that Denktash for thiry five years delayed many UN sponsered peace deals. Annan will be put in that light, similarly the ideas of the past rejected, as a whole, will be up for review.

so which were the first shoes these people tried on...

...could it be my manifesto?

[Viewpoint]

The settlers were imported in violation of the 4th geneva convention, ie was a war crime.

The illegal entry does not qualify them for residency nor citizenship .

.. this is Cyprus, Turkey should not even concern us,

Turkey has a game plan....

- How's the 4th geneva convention lawsuit against Turkey going for the lawyer lovers? If there was a leg to stand on it would have been stood on already.

- What illegal? An unconstitutional change of a constitution now that is treason.

- Turkey shouldn't concern you - get with the program baby. They are a player and GCs actions FORCE them to be a major player. How many times on international forums have the GC leaders looked for talks directly between GCs and Turkey and not look to incorporate north Cyprus! RoC's actions demand Turkey to be involved.
How many of these posts by GCs have put the whole blame squarely on Turkish immigrants for the outcome as they could not believe that legacy TCs would not want to unify with GCs.

Who doesn't have a game plan? Is the isolation of north Cyprus not a game plan - how's that working out for the GCs that suffered in 1974?


Palio, Talat did send many back, there was such an influx and many illegal. But for those that stayed things were better. If GCs wanted Turkish immigrants to support working towards a solution then discriminating against them was not the way forward. In 2004 a referendum was held, GCs didn't want to take the gamble. Now the stakes in the north are higher and more intractable, and will become more so with the passage of time.

As expected, you're just full of shit.

The 4th GC, could only be enforced if the US/UK wanted to, but they didn't because they were the ones who put turkey there in the first place.

Constitutions what utter bollocks you speak, you illegally create a pseudo state and then you try to fool the world with pseudo constututions, give us a break!

We know turkey is calling the shots, we have been trying to tell you blind bats for 36 years, but somehow you have this daft notion that the dwindling minority of TCs actually have the speaking power. FFS man, even the damn settlers have out voted you. FACT, wake the fuck up.

The rest of your ridiculous post is just that.

Plus you didn't answer my question, whats an acikgoz????

So what your saying is allow us GCs to out vote you in a unitary state? We have good reason to trust Turkey but not you guys why should we capitulate to your demands and place our future squarely into your hands to do as you wish? Cant you see or understand why we will never do this and would rather unite with Turkey than enter union with GCs via a bad deal.

[Viewpoint]

it may be that we have turned full circle, with Denktash and his father (essentially) at the negociating table, the Turkish Cypriot identity will be deeply wounded without success. remember that Denktash for thiry five years delayed many UN sponsered peace deals. Annan will be put in that light, similarly the ideas of the past rejected, as a whole, will be up for review.

so which were the first shoes these people tried on...

...could it be my manifesto?

What difference does it make when GCs do not want compromise with Tcs but only demand their capitulation? No leader will accept such demands no matter how they are camaflouged.

[BirKibrisli]

I also think Erdogan will win the next election with a reduced vote,but he might increase his share of seats in Parliament,depending on how many other parties get over the 10% limit...

YFred,most people in Turkey are very suspicious of the EU which they consider to be a Christian club...Erdogan has started to work this theme in his favour...The more Turkey is snubbed by the EU the more Erdogan will start telling them off,to win votes from the conservative voters who are his power base...This will actually increase Erdogan's vote in my opinion...

I agree with Acikgoz that the era of coup d'etats is over,and not before time...What we are seeing in Cyprus is Erdogan pleasing the Military by letting them have a small victory in Cyprus...I've always believed that the AKP was using Cyprus for its own benefit,and that also explains why they don't want a solution at this stage...And with Eroglu and his negotiation team we can kiss goodbye another 5 years...

We agree on one thing, it is not staight forward. Never say never. The military and logic do not go together, especially in Turkey.

Yep,that is another thing we agree on...

But I am not so sure about playing tavla against you if you've been playing since the age of 5. Perhaps if we use coffee cups to throw the dice might even the game a little?

How did you know that I knew how to "zar oturtmak"...

But don't worry I haven't played for a long time,so I might miss a few!

You cheat? Never

Perhaps one day we will meet halfway(accross the world) and put you to the test.

Ready and willing,anytime,yegen...But B.Y.O.Coffee Cup...