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[YFred]

I also think Erdogan will win the next election with a reduced vote,but he might increase his share of seats in Parliament,depending on how many other parties get over the 10% limit...

YFred,most people in Turkey are very suspicious of the EU which they consider to be a Christian club...Erdogan has started to work this theme in his favour...The more Turkey is snubbed by the EU the more Erdogan will start telling them off,to win votes from the conservative voters who are his power base...This will actually increase Erdogan's vote in my opinion...

I agree with Acikgoz that the era of coup d'etats is over,and not before time...What we are seeing in Cyprus is Erdogan pleasing the Military by letting them have a small victory in Cyprus...I've always believed that the AKP was using Cyprus for its own benefit,and that also explains why they don't want a solution at this stage...And with Eroglu and his negotiation team we can kiss goodbye another 5 years...

We agree on one thing, it is not staight forward. Never say never. The military and logic do not go together, especially in Turkey.

Yep,that is another thing we agree on...

But I am not so sure about playing tavla against you if you've been playing since the age of 5. Perhaps if we use coffee cups to throw the dice might even the game a little?

How did you know that I knew how to "zar oturtmak"...

But don't worry I haven't played for a long time,so I might miss a few!

I thought as much which is why I will bring with me the coffee cups. First for drinking the coffee and then to used for tavla.

[denizaksulu]

I also think Erdogan will win the next election with a reduced vote,but he might increase his share of seats in Parliament,depending on how many other parties get over the 10% limit...

YFred,most people in Turkey are very suspicious of the EU which they consider to be a Christian club...Erdogan has started to work this theme in his favour...The more Turkey is snubbed by the EU the more Erdogan will start telling them off,to win votes from the conservative voters who are his power base...This will actually increase Erdogan's vote in my opinion...

I agree with Acikgoz that the era of coup d'etats is over,and not before time...What we are seeing in Cyprus is Erdogan pleasing the Military by letting them have a small victory in Cyprus...I've always believed that the AKP was using Cyprus for its own benefit,and that also explains why they don't want a solution at this stage...And with Eroglu and his negotiation team we can kiss goodbye another 5 years...

We agree on one thing, it is not staight forward. Never say never. The military and logic do not go together, especially in Turkey.

Yep,that is another thing we agree on...

But I am not so sure about playing tavla against you if you've been playing since the age of 5. Perhaps if we use coffee cups to throw the dice might even the game a little?

How did you know that I knew how to "zar oturtmak"...

But don't worry I haven't played for a long time,so I might miss a few!

You cheat? Never

Perhaps one day we will meet halfway(accross the world) and put you to the test.

[Acikgoz]

What we are seeing in Cyprus is Erdogan pleasing the Military by letting them have a small victory in Cyprus...I've always believed that the AKP was using Cyprus for its own benefit,and that also explains why they don't want a solution at this stage

I do get the sense that if Erdogan did put his weight behind Talat it could have backfired given the TC population have grown suspicious of the impact of unification. Erdogan certainly did use Cyprus initially as a major salvo against the military when he first got in.

Yes Bir, Istanbul has all the contrast you described... But the growing middle class is less guliable than before. We should remember Erdogan’s “pious” muslims all want a faster car, bigger TV and fabulous holidays.

Regarding the special relationship, if that is the path that begins to be pursued, then I'd say the compromises necessary on Cyprus for a solution will never be forthcoming. I am wholly of the opinion that Cyprus is actually used by France and Germany(not vocally) as a stalking horse to obstruct full membership.
Erdogan not likely to give up the high ground of commitments made by EU for full membership unless significant compromises are made on a range of other issues. Just as EU holds Turkey hostage on issues of Cyprus and Armenia, Turkey does so likewise.
The real death blow for Cyprus negotiations was not this election, but if a nationalist party was to come to power in Turkey. Erdogan was wise not to risk his tenure on “more of nothing”,show support for TCs but do not dictate as then you are culpable for any problems down the road. He is well advised.
Sorry to have gone on about this topic, but I feel many on this forum are so out of touch with reality as it pertains to Turkey and simply consider it a 2 dimensional caricature. Better to try and understand who you’re dealing with than just take the spin offered by the media in Cyprus.

[YFred]

What we are seeing in Cyprus is Erdogan pleasing the Military by letting them have a small victory in Cyprus...I've always believed that the AKP was using Cyprus for its own benefit,and that also explains why they don't want a solution at this stage

I do get the sense that if Erdogan did put his weight behind Talat it could have backfired given the TC population have grown suspicious of the impact of unification. Erdogan certainly did use Cyprus initially as a major salvo against the military when he first got in.

Yes Bir, Istanbul has all the contrast you described... But the growing middle class is less guliable than before. We should remember Erdogan’s “pious” muslims all want a faster car, bigger TV and fabulous holidays.

Regarding the special relationship, if that is the path that begins to be pursued, then I'd say the compromises necessary on Cyprus for a solution will never be forthcoming. I am wholly of the opinion that Cyprus is actually used by France and Germany(not vocally) as a stalking horse to obstruct full membership.
Erdogan not likely to give up the high ground of commitments made by EU for full membership unless significant compromises are made on a range of other issues. Just as EU holds Turkey hostage on issues of Cyprus and Armenia, Turkey does so likewise.
The real death blow for Cyprus negotiations was not this election, but if a nationalist party was to come to power in Turkey. Erdogan was wise not to risk his tenure on “more of nothing”,show support for TCs but do not dictate as then you are culpable for any problems down the road. He is well advised.
Sorry to have gone on about this topic, but I feel many on this forum are so out of touch with reality as it pertains to Turkey and simply consider it a 2 dimensional caricature. Better to try and understand who you’re dealing with than just take the spin offered by the media in Cyprus.

But do you think the Military are pro EU or against?

[YFred]

I also think Erdogan will win the next election with a reduced vote,but he might increase his share of seats in Parliament,depending on how many other parties get over the 10% limit...

YFred,most people in Turkey are very suspicious of the EU which they consider to be a Christian club...Erdogan has started to work this theme in his favour...The more Turkey is snubbed by the EU the more Erdogan will start telling them off,to win votes from the conservative voters who are his power base...This will actually increase Erdogan's vote in my opinion...

I agree with Acikgoz that the era of coup d'etats is over,and not before time...What we are seeing in Cyprus is Erdogan pleasing the Military by letting them have a small victory in Cyprus...I've always believed that the AKP was using Cyprus for its own benefit,and that also explains why they don't want a solution at this stage...And with Eroglu and his negotiation team we can kiss goodbye another 5 years...

We agree on one thing, it is not staight forward. Never say never. The military and logic do not go together, especially in Turkey.

Yep,that is another thing we agree on...

But I am not so sure about playing tavla against you if you've been playing since the age of 5. Perhaps if we use coffee cups to throw the dice might even the game a little?

How did you know that I knew how to "zar oturtmak"...

But don't worry I haven't played for a long time,so I might miss a few!

You cheat? Never

Perhaps one day we will meet halfway(accross the world) and put you to the test.

What is it with some on this forum. He said he knows how to zar oturt, I know how it is done but not very good at doing it.
My only defence against such an unfair attack is to level the playing field by using couple of bodiriciks.
Then may the best man win. Fair?

[Kikapu]

The TRNC election was probably one of the most democratic we've had for decades. Best thing for TCs now is to find a good opposition as that is the best way to evolve policy.

So you don't see anything wrong with the settlers being used by some to steal votes from True TCs to have a say so for their own future, because by importing settlers and giving them rights to outvote the TCs, could hardly be called "democratic" by any stretch of the imagination.!

[YFred]

The TRNC election was probably one of the most democratic we've had for decades. Best thing for TCs now is to find a good opposition as that is the best way to evolve policy.

So you don't see anything wrong with the settlers being used by some to steal votes from True TCs to have a say so for their own future, because by importing settlers and giving them rights to outvote the TCs, could hardly be called "democratic" by any stretch of the imagination.!

People in every country, once gaining residency rights generally tend to be able to vote in the elections. Only a xenophobe would try to restrict people’s right to vote in an election just because they may have received their residency few months ago. It does not wash. Who is to say that they voted for one party or the other?

Politics is a funny game. There are those that vote on principle of left right and everything in between and there is the no hopers who do not understand and simply are influenced by the media and the rest.

TCs have spoken and loud and clear.

[Kikapu]

The TRNC election was probably one of the most democratic we've had for decades. Best thing for TCs now is to find a good opposition as that is the best way to evolve policy.

So you don't see anything wrong with the settlers being used by some to steal votes from True TCs to have a say so for their own future, because by importing settlers and giving them rights to outvote the TCs, could hardly be called "democratic" by any stretch of the imagination.!

People in every country, once gaining residency rights generally tend to be able to vote in the elections. Only a xenophobe would try to restrict people’s right to vote in an election just because they may have received their residency few months ago. It does not wash. Who is to say that they voted for one party or the other?

Politics is a funny game. There are those that vote on principle of left right and everything in between and there is the no hopers who do not understand and simply are influenced by the media and the rest.

TCs have spoken and loud and clear.

"trnc" is not a COUNTRY, therefore your theory of who can vote and who cannot is not valid.!

TCs voice got trampled over by Illegal Aliens 2 to 1, and to my amazement, you as a TC, accept this and you worry about being a "minority" in the RoC.!!

[YFred]

The TRNC election was probably one of the most democratic we've had for decades. Best thing for TCs now is to find a good opposition as that is the best way to evolve policy.

So you don't see anything wrong with the settlers being used by some to steal votes from True TCs to have a say so for their own future, because by importing settlers and giving them rights to outvote the TCs, could hardly be called "democratic" by any stretch of the imagination.!

People in every country, once gaining residency rights generally tend to be able to vote in the elections. Only a xenophobe would try to restrict people’s right to vote in an election just because they may have received their residency few months ago. It does not wash. Who is to say that they voted for one party or the other?

Politics is a funny game. There are those that vote on principle of left right and everything in between and there is the no hopers who do not understand and simply are influenced by the media and the rest.

TCs have spoken and loud and clear.

"trnc" is not a COUNTRY, therefore your theory of who can vote and who cannot is not valid.!

TCs voice got trampled over by Illegal Aliens 2 to 1, and to my amazement, you as a TC, accept this and you worry about being a "minority" in the RoC.!!

TRNC is not what? Well every country has to start from somewhere.
And yet the vote was not 2 to 1 was it not? Trampled? I think not. My family living there do not feel that way. Few of them are even married to Turkiyeli people, so?
What is today is today my friend. You can never go back.
I lived in the roc under one roof, and I would not accept the same conditions ever again. If you give a stick to a shepherd, he will beat you with it. You see, you didn't spend 6 hours in a bus in the mid-day sun in august burning to death while the lovely roc police were sitting in the shade with their ventialtors. Trust? you have to earn it. Nobody is givin any away?
Comprehendo.

[Kikapu]

The TRNC election was probably one of the most democratic we've had for decades. Best thing for TCs now is to find a good opposition as that is the best way to evolve policy.

So you don't see anything wrong with the settlers being used by some to steal votes from True TCs to have a say so for their own future, because by importing settlers and giving them rights to outvote the TCs, could hardly be called "democratic" by any stretch of the imagination.!

People in every country, once gaining residency rights generally tend to be able to vote in the elections. Only a xenophobe would try to restrict people’s right to vote in an election just because they may have received their residency few months ago. It does not wash. Who is to say that they voted for one party or the other?

Politics is a funny game. There are those that vote on principle of left right and everything in between and there is the no hopers who do not understand and simply are influenced by the media and the rest.

TCs have spoken and loud and clear.

"trnc" is not a COUNTRY, therefore your theory of who can vote and who cannot is not valid.!

TCs voice got trampled over by Illegal Aliens 2 to 1, and to my amazement, you as a TC, accept this and you worry about being a "minority" in the RoC.!!

TRNC is not what? Well every country has to start from somewhere.
And yet the vote was not 2 to 1 was it not? Trampled? I think not. My family living there do not feel that way. Few of them are even married to Turkiyeli people, so?
What is today is today my friend. You can never go back.
I lived in the roc under one roof, and I would not accept the same conditions ever again. If you give a stick to a shepherd, he will beat you with it. You see, you didn't spend 6 hours in bus in the mid-day sun in august burning to death while the lovely roc police were sitting in the shade with their ventialtors. Trust? you have to earn it. Nobody is givin any away?
Comprehendo.

No YFred, I did not spend 6 hours on a bus on a hot day like you. I ONLY spent a week sleeping on the cold floor in December of 1963 as a captive prisoner at the age of 8, at the point of a gun, held by the RoC.!

I have few "Turkiyeli" by marriage in my family too, so what does that have to do with what we are talking about.??

I'm not saying that some of the morally corrupted TCs did not vote for Eroglu. All I'm saying is, Eroglu got far more votes from the Illegal Aliens (settlers) than from fair settlement seeking TCs, unless you buy into VP's assertion, that majority of the TCs are Racists, Fascists, Idiots and NeoPartitionists. So which is it.??