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[Acikgoz]

Birkibrisli gardash. You get dirty by simply talking or taking these people seriously. They are not like us, they belong to a different world, one which we detest.

a world thats detached from reality is what you worlds sound like, being cooped up with your heads between your books makes you both out of touch.

I thought the pursuit of knowledge was a noble pursuit. Thanks wyoming for imparting your valuable wisdom once again - I should remember you cannot ever be too stupid.

[miltiades]

Went to my brothers house last evening , a family gathering to welcome home my brothers latest granddaughter, from his youngest son and daughter in law coincidentally comes from Mauritious.
Along came John , or real name Erdogan , a T/C married to my sister in laws sister.
John , as he likes to be called , speaks fluent Greek and of course fluent English. A man of few words and always straightforward. I asked for his views on Mr Eroglu. His reply : "The man is an idiot , considers Turkey and not Cyprus as his homeland, does not speak English so therefore his not privy to English publications, news and current affairs programmes constantly digesting and absorbing Turkish news , the chances of a meaningful solution with this man at the head of the negotiating team representing the T/Cs , my self included , are nil.
We have gone backwards and in the process have signed over our destiny to the Turkish settlers who voted him in and Turkey "

He expressed views not unknown to me from previous discussions , he is a passionate Cypriot and one who also accepts that both set of extremists driven by blind nationalistic garbage were utterly responsible for the division of our island.
The election of this individual was clearly heavily influenced by the overwhelming majority of settlers who , not wishing to be derogatory , have no connections with Cyprus , acute cultural differences and from a background that is somewhat different from that of the T/Cs.

[BirKibrisli]

Went to my brothers house last evening , a family gathering to welcome home my brothers latest granddaughter, from his youngest son and daughter in law coincidentally comes from Mauritious.
Along came John , or real name Erdogan , a T/C married to my sister in laws sister.
John , as he likes to be called , speaks fluent Greek and of course fluent English. A man of few words and always straightforward. I asked for his views on Mr Eroglu. His reply : "The man is an idiot , considers Turkey and not Cyprus as his homeland, does not speak English so therefore his not privy to English publications, news and current affairs programmes constantly digesting and absorbing Turkish news , the chances of a meaningful solution with this man at the head of the negotiating team representing the T/Cs , my self included , are nil.
We have gone backwards and in the process have signed over our destiny to the Turkish settlers who voted him in and Turkey "

He expressed views not unknown to me from previous discussions , he is a passionate Cypriot and one who also accepts that both set of extremists driven by blind nationalistic garbage were utterly responsible for the division of our island.
The election of this individual was clearly heavily influenced by the overwhelming majority of settlers who , not wishing to be derogatory , have no connections with Cyprus , acute cultural differences and from a background that is somewhat different from that of the T/Cs.

I think there is more to Eroglu's election than meets the eye,dear miltiades...I still can't believe that Turkey could not get Talat elected if they wanted to...They wanted Eroglu there for some reason which is not yet clear...It is unthinkable that Eroglu would get out of Turkey's parameters at the negotiation table...We might be in for a big surprise or a big shock,later on in the year...

[umit07]

I think there is more to Eroglu's election than meets the eye,dear miltiades...I still can't believe that Turkey could not get Talat elected if they wanted to...They wanted Eroglu there for some reason which is not yet clear...It is unthinkable that Eroglu would get out of Turkey's parameters at the negotiation table...We might be in for a big surprise or a big shock,later on in the year...

I think TC's in general like to over simplify things, Turkey wanted Talat to win but at the same time did nothing to change the outcome.

Does Turkey prefer Eroglu, no! My personal opinion is that Turkey knows that she ain't getting anything form the EU anytime soon, so is just playing for time as usual. Eroglu guarantees that nothing will change for at least 5 more years.

So let the bitching on to continue ...

[YFred]

I think there is more to Eroglu's election than meets the eye,dear miltiades...I still can't believe that Turkey could not get Talat elected if they wanted to...They wanted Eroglu there for some reason which is not yet clear...It is unthinkable that Eroglu would get out of Turkey's parameters at the negotiation table...We might be in for a big surprise or a big shock,later on in the year...

I think TC's in general like to over simplify things, Turkey wanted Talat to win but at the same time did nothing to change the outcome.

Does Turkey prefer Eroglu, no! My personal opinion is that Turkey knows that she ain't getting anything form the EU anytime soon, so is just playing for time as usual. Eroglu guarantees that nothing will change for at least 5 more years.

So let the bitching on to continue ...

Why is it so difficult for everybody to understand that there are conflicting interests in Turkey taking sides against the peace process and joining EU, and at the moment the non-solutionist who happen to be anti-EU have the upper hand.

[BirKibrisli]

I think there is more to Eroglu's election than meets the eye,dear miltiades...I still can't believe that Turkey could not get Talat elected if they wanted to...They wanted Eroglu there for some reason which is not yet clear...It is unthinkable that Eroglu would get out of Turkey's parameters at the negotiation table...We might be in for a big surprise or a big shock,later on in the year...

I think TC's in general like to over simplify things, Turkey wanted Talat to win but at the same time did nothing to change the outcome.

Does Turkey prefer Eroglu, no! My personal opinion is that Turkey knows that she ain't getting anything form the EU anytime soon, so is just playing for time as usual. Eroglu guarantees that nothing will change for at least 5 more years.

So let the bitching on to continue ...

Why is it so difficult for everybody to understand that there are conflicting interests in Turkey taking sides against the peace process and joining EU, and at the moment the non-solutionist who happen to be anti-EU have the upper hand.

Do you mean the AKP or the Military,Yfred...???
Erdogan seems to be winning his war with the military in Turkey...Could the Military be making a last stand,so to speak,in Cyprus??? What do you think?

[YFred]

I think there is more to Eroglu's election than meets the eye,dear miltiades...I still can't believe that Turkey could not get Talat elected if they wanted to...They wanted Eroglu there for some reason which is not yet clear...It is unthinkable that Eroglu would get out of Turkey's parameters at the negotiation table...We might be in for a big surprise or a big shock,later on in the year...

I think TC's in general like to over simplify things, Turkey wanted Talat to win but at the same time did nothing to change the outcome.

Does Turkey prefer Eroglu, no! My personal opinion is that Turkey knows that she ain't getting anything form the EU anytime soon, so is just playing for time as usual. Eroglu guarantees that nothing will change for at least 5 more years.

So let the bitching on to continue ...

Why is it so difficult for everybody to understand that there are conflicting interests in Turkey taking sides against the peace process and joining EU, and at the moment the non-solutionist who happen to be anti-EU have the upper hand.

Do you mean the AKP or the Military,Yfred...???
Erdogan seems to be winning his war with the military in Turkey...Could the Military be making a last stand,so to speak,in Cyprus??? What do you think?

Judging by the fact that the Military's man has won the election in the north and the very people Erdogan did not want have been nominated to negotiate suggests that the Military are on the attack against Erdogan and winning. Eroglu/Dengtash will stagnate the talks which means that EU will stagnate the talks with Turkey which will weaken Erdogan and Military will then have a their own anti-EU man in power after the next vote.
Then we can all join the old museum and play tavla to pass the time. Are you any good at it?

[BirKibrisli]

I think there is more to Eroglu's election than meets the eye,dear miltiades...I still can't believe that Turkey could not get Talat elected if they wanted to...They wanted Eroglu there for some reason which is not yet clear...It is unthinkable that Eroglu would get out of Turkey's parameters at the negotiation table...We might be in for a big surprise or a big shock,later on in the year...

I think TC's in general like to over simplify things, Turkey wanted Talat to win but at the same time did nothing to change the outcome.

Does Turkey prefer Eroglu, no! My personal opinion is that Turkey knows that she ain't getting anything form the EU anytime soon, so is just playing for time as usual. Eroglu guarantees that nothing will change for at least 5 more years.

So let the bitching on to continue ...

Why is it so difficult for everybody to understand that there are conflicting interests in Turkey taking sides against the peace process and joining EU, and at the moment the non-solutionist who happen to be anti-EU have the upper hand.

Do you mean the AKP or the Military,Yfred...???
Erdogan seems to be winning his war with the military in Turkey...Could the Military be making a last stand,so to speak,in Cyprus??? What do you think?

Judging by the fact that the Military's man has won the election in the north and the very people Erdogan did not want have been nominated to negotiate suggests that the Military are on the attack against Erdogan and winning. Eroglu/Dengtash will stagnate the talks which means that EU will stagnate the talks with Turkey which will weaken Erdogan and Military will then have a their own anti-EU man in power after the next vote.
Then we can all join the old museum and play tavla to pass the time. Are you any good at it?

Yep,I have been playing it since age 5...


Do you think the Military is winning in Turkey as well?
I can't see Erdogan losing the election in 2011,Yfred...
You might be underestimating him...He is as cunning as a fox...The Military have no chance of toppling him without their guns...And he won't give them the excuse to use guns...Do you still think Erdogan really wants to join the EU???

[YFred]

I think there is more to Eroglu's election than meets the eye,dear miltiades...I still can't believe that Turkey could not get Talat elected if they wanted to...They wanted Eroglu there for some reason which is not yet clear...It is unthinkable that Eroglu would get out of Turkey's parameters at the negotiation table...We might be in for a big surprise or a big shock,later on in the year...

I think TC's in general like to over simplify things, Turkey wanted Talat to win but at the same time did nothing to change the outcome.

Does Turkey prefer Eroglu, no! My personal opinion is that Turkey knows that she ain't getting anything form the EU anytime soon, so is just playing for time as usual. Eroglu guarantees that nothing will change for at least 5 more years.

So let the bitching on to continue ...

Why is it so difficult for everybody to understand that there are conflicting interests in Turkey taking sides against the peace process and joining EU, and at the moment the non-solutionist who happen to be anti-EU have the upper hand.

Do you mean the AKP or the Military,Yfred...???
Erdogan seems to be winning his war with the military in Turkey...Could the Military be making a last stand,so to speak,in Cyprus??? What do you think?

Judging by the fact that the Military's man has won the election in the north and the very people Erdogan did not want have been nominated to negotiate suggests that the Military are on the attack against Erdogan and winning. Eroglu/Dengtash will stagnate the talks which means that EU will stagnate the talks with Turkey which will weaken Erdogan and Military will then have a their own anti-EU man in power after the next vote.
Then we can all join the old museum and play tavla to pass the time. Are you any good at it?

Yep,I have been playing it since age 5...


Do you think the Military is winning in Turkey as well?
I can't see Erdogan losing the election in 2011,Yfred...
You might be underestimating him...He is as cunning as a fox...The Military have no chance of toppling him without their guns...And he won't give them the excuse to use guns...Do you still think Erdogan really wants to join the EU???

Erdogan is only winning against the retired generals who have joined Ergenekon. To my knowledge he has not touched any serving officers,although I may be wrong on that one. The day he will be begining to win in Turkey, is when he removes the power of Guvenlik Konseyi from politics and makes it a security function only. He is is not winning anything while the generals are in power. What are the polls saying over there?
If the germans and the french start playing silly buggers and use cyprus to stall the negotiations with the eu, it will work against Erdogan. Without serious progress in the eu I don't think that Erdogan will be elected. Erdogan definately would like to join the eu. Turkey will get something like 10Billion euros joinign fee for her troubles. It is the millitary that do not want it. The way they see it is that they are in power and in Nato, why loose power and join eu?
To them control is more important then economic well being of the country.

[DT.]

I think there is more to Eroglu's election than meets the eye,dear miltiades...I still can't believe that Turkey could not get Talat elected if they wanted to...They wanted Eroglu there for some reason which is not yet clear...It is unthinkable that Eroglu would get out of Turkey's parameters at the negotiation table...We might be in for a big surprise or a big shock,later on in the year...

I think TC's in general like to over simplify things, Turkey wanted Talat to win but at the same time did nothing to change the outcome.

Does Turkey prefer Eroglu, no! My personal opinion is that Turkey knows that she ain't getting anything form the EU anytime soon, so is just playing for time as usual. Eroglu guarantees that nothing will change for at least 5 more years.

So let the bitching on to continue ...

Why is it so difficult for everybody to understand that there are conflicting interests in Turkey taking sides against the peace process and joining EU, and at the moment the non-solutionist who happen to be anti-EU have the upper hand.

Do you mean the AKP or the Military,Yfred...???
Erdogan seems to be winning his war with the military in Turkey...Could the Military be making a last stand,so to speak,in Cyprus??? What do you think?

Judging by the fact that the Military's man has won the election in the north and the very people Erdogan did not want have been nominated to negotiate suggests that the Military are on the attack against Erdogan and winning. Eroglu/Dengtash will stagnate the talks which means that EU will stagnate the talks with Turkey which will weaken Erdogan and Military will then have a their own anti-EU man in power after the next vote.
Then we can all join the old museum and play tavla to pass the time. Are you any good at it?

Yep,I have been playing it since age 5...


Do you think the Military is winning in Turkey as well?
I can't see Erdogan losing the election in 2011,Yfred...
You might be underestimating him...He is as cunning as a fox...The Military have no chance of toppling him without their guns...And he won't give them the excuse to use guns...Do you still think Erdogan really wants to join the EU???

Erdogan is only winning against the retired generals who have joined Ergenekon. To my knowledge he has not touched any serving officers,although I may be wrong on that one. The day he will be begining to win in Turkey, is when he removes the power of Guvenlik Konseyi from politics and makes it a security function only. He is is not winning anything while the generals are in power. What are the polls saying over there?
If the germans and the french start playing silly buggers and use cyprus to stall the negotiations with the eu, it will work against Erdogan. Without serious progress in the eu I don't think that Erdogan will be elected. Erdogan definately would like to join the eu. Turkey will get something like 10Billion euros joinign fee for her troubles. It is the millitary that do not want it. The way they see it is that they are in power and in Nato, why loose power and join eu?
To them control is more important then economic well being of the country.

I think i'm going to lie down.