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[Mikiko]

Eroglou said he wants to clarify with Christofias if the term "constituent" states Talat agreed with him, means "founding" states instead, because that is how it is translated in Turkish. Of course, Christofias will give him a Turkish language lesson, and explain to him that even though the language being used in the negotiations is one completely unknown to him, "constituent" states is properly translated as "üye devletler" or "birleşen," and not as ..."kurucu."

You must mean birleşen. Why do they have translators for?
What is this with his language?
You dealt with the lamb now deal with the wolf.

In my humble opinion, 'oluşturucu devlet' is the best rendering of 'constituent state'.

The talks will now move in a new direction anyway. Back t square one I am afraid, if only Kickapoo was here to square the circle for us. Never mind.

I agree with you that the game is up. It was a unique window of opportunity to have pro-solution, left-wing leaders on both sides and that opportunity has been lost. The rest is academic, as you say.

Why cant we see the positive side of things ? If Christofias contact the same number of meetings with Eroglu as he did with Talat at the end he may convinced Eroglu to become an example of a real cypriot .

[YFred]

Eroglou said he wants to clarify with Christofias if the term "constituent" states Talat agreed with him, means "founding" states instead, because that is how it is translated in Turkish. Of course, Christofias will give him a Turkish language lesson, and explain to him that even though the language being used in the negotiations is one completely unknown to him, "constituent" states is properly translated as "üye devletler" or "birleşen," and not as ..."kurucu."

You must mean birleşen. Why do they have translators for?
What is this with his language?
You dealt with the lamb now deal with the wolf.

In my humble opinion, 'oluşturucu devlet' is the best rendering of 'constituent state'.

The talks will now move in a new direction anyway. Back t square one I am afraid, if only Kickapoo was here to square the circle for us. Never mind.

I agree with you that the game is up. It was a unique window of opportunity to have pro-solution, left-wing leaders on both sides and that opportunity has been lost. The rest is academic, as you say.

Why cant we see the positive side of things ? If Christofias contact the same number of meetings with Eroglu as he did with Talat at the end he may convinced Eroglu to become an example of a real cypriot .

There is always that possibility, not that different to Israel, when the Labour politicians did not have the guts to have a peace agreement with Egypt and A right winger comes along and does it.
But I don't think peace is on Eroglu's mind somehow. Two pieces may be.

[Lit]

Eroglou said he wants to clarify with Christofias if the term "constituent" states Talat agreed with him, means "founding" states instead, because that is how it is translated in Turkish. Of course, Christofias will give him a Turkish language lesson, and explain to him that even though the language being used in the negotiations is one completely unknown to him, "constituent" states is properly translated as "üye devletler" or "birleşen," and not as ..."kurucu."

You must mean birleşen. Why do they have translators for?
What is this with his language?
You dealt with the lamb now deal with the wolf.

In my humble opinion, 'oluşturucu devlet' is the best rendering of 'constituent state'.

The talks will now move in a new direction anyway. Back t square one I am afraid, if only Kickapoo was here to square the circle for us. Never mind.

I agree with you that the game is up. It was a unique window of opportunity to have pro-solution, left-wing leaders on both sides and that opportunity has been lost. The rest is academic, as you say.

Why cant we see the positive side of things ? If Christofias contact the same number of meetings with Eroglu as he did with Talat at the end he may convinced Eroglu to become an example of a real cypriot .

LOL

During his campaigning a few weeks back, Eroglu cheered the crowd by calling Talat a Greek Cypriot boot licker and went on to say that he will never betray northern Cyprus right to be a sovereign nation.

[SKI-preo]

He said all sorts of things to get elected but- now he is in he is already under the pump to change his image as a Papadopoulos/Denktash style negotiator. My prediction is nothing will happen for 5 years until voters are disillusioned with this guy as well. In terms of PR he is maybe even shitter than Denktash was for you guys.

[BirKibrisli]

Wow, with that kind of temper you really are self-concious of your own shortcomings.

Think before you write. Your question outside of the profanity can easily be answered by yourself if you care to look at what I wrote and what you took from it.
I read the western press, sounds like you read the gutter press and have had an upbringing in the gutter.

I'll admit it...i have little patience for whiny small minded lecturers who always blame everything on the GCs. Your so called isolation is really a consequence of the illegal occupation by Turkey of northern Cyprus and the Turks refusal to accept international legality. You see it's all about the legality.

Here is the gutter western press that i am reading:


Hardliner Eroglu wins TRNC election
http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/hardl ... c-election


U.N. opponent Eroglu wins Cyprus vote
http://www.nwaonline.com/news/2010/apr/ ... -20100419/


Nationalist wins northern Cyprus election
http://www.europeanvoice.com/article/20 ... 67727.aspx

His name is already synonymous with being on the extreme margins of political thought. Google Eroglu now and you will see hardliner next to his name. You can not blame us for all this.

But you have a lot of time and patience for whiny small minded lecturers who always blame everything on the TCs,I suppose...
You don't think the demand for Enosis,the stealing of the RoC government,the treatment of the TCs between 1963-74,and the little Sampson coup had anything to do with it???

[BirKibrisli]

He said all sorts of things to get elected but- now he is in he is already under the pump to change his image as a Papadopoulos/Denktash style negotiator. My prediction is nothing will happen for 5 years until voters are disillusioned with this guy as well. In terms of PR he is maybe even shitter than Denktash was for you guys.

So ,you too believe the lack of solution is totally due to the TC side???
My prediction is that nothing will happen for the next 25 years,or until the GCs get a grip on the realities of the Cyprus problem...Which might be never of course...

[paliometoxo]

no bir, until the turks reliase that there wont be two states in cyprus...

[BirKibrisli]

no bir, until the turks reliase that there wont be two states in cyprus...

Erdogan and Talat have been touting for a BBF for years,palio...It was only Papa Denktas and Eroglu who were talking about TWO states...
Watch now as Eroglu too comes to the party...You know what I think the problem is...Since 1963 the GCs have been given the mushroom treatment by their successive so-called leaders (you know,kept in the dark and fed on bullshit!)...So much so that you all believe Cyprus problem began in 1974 when the "terrible Turks" decided it was a nice summer day to go invading their little helpless neighbour...Unless you are given a debriefing to bring you back to reality there will NOT be a solution...Full stop...

[YFred]

no bir, until the turks reliase that there wont be two states in cyprus...

Erdogan and Talat have been touting for a BBF for years,palio...It was only Papa Denktas and Eroglu who were talking about TWO states...
Watch now as Eroglu too comes to the party...You know what I think the problem is...Since 1963 the GCs have been given the mushroom treatment by their successive so-called leaders (you know,kept in the dark and fed on bullshit!)...So much so that you all believe Cyprus problem began in 1974 when the "terrible Turks" decided it was a nice summer day to go invading their little helpless neighbour...Unless you are given a debriefing to bring you back to reality there will NOT be a solution...Full stop...

That is a beautiful analogy, cause that is exactly what has happened. There was debate on TV recently where N Kizilyurek mentioned on TV about the killing of Sandallilar etc and he was taken of air.
Thats how well our roc feed their well informed electorate on bullshit. No wonder our patriots are looking like mushrooms every day.

[Tim Drayton]

no bir, until the turks reliase that there wont be two states in cyprus...

Erdogan and Talat have been touting for a BBF for years,palio...It was only Papa Denktas and Eroglu who were talking about TWO states...
Watch now as Eroglu too comes to the party...You know what I think the problem is...Since 1963 the GCs have been given the mushroom treatment by their successive so-called leaders (you know,kept in the dark and fed on bullshit!)...So much so that you all believe Cyprus problem began in 1974 when the "terrible Turks" decided it was a nice summer day to go invading their little helpless neighbour...Unless you are given a debriefing to bring you back to reality there will NOT be a solution...Full stop...

That is a beautiful analogy, cause that is exactly what has happened. There was debate on TV recently where N Kizilyurek mentioned on TV about the killing of Sandallilar etc and he was taken of air.Thats how well our roc feed their well informed electorate on bullshit. No wonder our patriots are looking like mushrooms every day.

Was that on CyBC?