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[Bananiot]

Nikitas, are you implying that Greek scientists are on the verge of discovering a super weapon? Hypothetically speaking, of course. And if this weapon materialises, will it be turned against an important fanancial partner such as Turkey?

I think once a nationalist, always a nationalist.

[umit07]

Turkey would never opt for partition. It would make the south totally independent and out of its control.

If so then why won't GC's call the bluff and put partition on the table as a option?

[Nikitas]

Because partition is regarded in GC culture as the ultimate betrayal of Cyprus and Cypriots. It is a taboo subject for any politician to initiate.

[umit07]

Because partition is regarded in GC culture as the ultimate betrayal of Cyprus and Cypriots. It is a taboo subject for any politician to initiate.

I tend to disagree that Turkey wants total control over the entire island. Half the island is enough as it is, why need it all?

[Nikitas]

Bananiot rushed to judgement methinks:

"Nikitas, are you implying that Greek scientists are on the verge of discovering a super weapon? Hypothetically speaking, of course. And if this weapon materialises, will it be turned against an important fanancial partner such as Turkey?

I think once a nationalist, always a nationalist."

No, that is NOT what I meant. A technological invention, the stirrup, put an end to the Mongol supremacy. Little things sometimes change things and make big things obsolete. And I definitely was NOT counting on Greek scientists!

I was thinking more in terms of little things like Celldar which is a form of passive radar anyone can put together with a laptop and cheap software. That type of development/innovation/invention is happening all the time. And it does not mean that all of a sudden Cyprus will throw out the Turkish army or invade Turkey. It does mean that there will be awareness on the other side that their advantage is nno longer as persuasive as it was and they will be willing to compromise.

Not a nationalist thought anywhere in all that. No need to go off half cocked!

[Nikitas]

"I tend to disagree that Turkey wants total control over the entire island. Half the island is enough as it is, why need it all? "

Turkey has POSSESSION of one third, and effectively controls the whole. In the event of an official partition she would lose that control by self proclaiming the independence and full sovereignty of the south. So moves like the threats against foreign oil exploration firms would have to stop. As would the protests over France getting access to a military base in the south. It is easy and risk free to bully the GCs, it is a whole different matter to deal with a super power. Turkey historically has been keen to avoid challenges to nations of equal or greater power than her own.

[BirKibrisli]

I spent 3 months in Greece last summer and I was amazed at one thing...There seems to be no animosity amongst the Greek people towards Turkey and the Turks...They have overcome their historical problems to a large extend,and these days the relationship is based on mutual financial interests...Perhaps the best solution would be double-Enosis...The North to be annexed by Turkey and the South by Greece...This will make the fanatics happy,and we might just learn to overcome our historical animosity following the Greek/Turkish example......Shall we start a new movement here and now??? Double Enosis or Bust...DEOB for short...

[Nikitas]

Bir, didn't you get a headache from those jet fighter screams every morning on Samos? You want that for Cypriots as well?

There is a policy of patience in Greece. So people put up with the daily violations of air space and pay through the nose for weapons and the cost of interceptions. Patience is not exactly lack of animosity.

Two weeks ago the Turkish navy sent a frigate to international waters off Attica. This is not the kind of message friendly nations send to one another. Not the kind of situation we need in Cyprus.

[Gasman]

Being of one 'ethnicity' where two exist does not make people automatically hate the other 'ethnicity'. Following an ideology does. The problem in Cyprus seems to be one of a problem between 'nationalists', Greek and Turkish, not between GCs and TCs.

It would appear that the heart of the problem is the inability or unwillingness on both sides to recognize or admit that the roots of the problem lies within themselves, both preferring to constantly blame the 'other'.

[Viewpoint]

Greece and Turkey are way ahead of us, their mutual interests come first and their is no lack of trust between the people, unlike us who past history is still very much in everyones minds and mistrust of the others sides real intentions are a stumbling block towards finding a solution.