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Postby DTA » Sun Apr 18, 2010 3:25 am

BirKibrisli wrote:In the Korean war in the 50s,military psychologists carried out a test to find out which nation's soldiers were least immune to "enemy misinformation or propaganda",in other words,the ones least likely to waver from their duty...And the winner was.........THE TURKISH SOLDIERS.... :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:


That is because we are the turks that fights :wink:
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sun Apr 18, 2010 3:44 am

DTA wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:In the Korean war in the 50s,military psychologists carried out a test to find out which nation's soldiers were least immune to "enemy misinformation or propaganda",in other words,the ones least likely to waver from their duty...And the winner was.........THE TURKISH SOLDIERS.... :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:


That is because we are the turks that fights :wink:


Sure we are... :wink: :lol: :lol:
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Postby DTA » Sun Apr 18, 2010 3:46 am

BirKibrisli wrote:
DTA wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:In the Korean war in the 50s,military psychologists carried out a test to find out which nation's soldiers were least immune to "enemy misinformation or propaganda",in other words,the ones least likely to waver from their duty...And the winner was.........THE TURKISH SOLDIERS.... :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:


That is because we are the turks that fights :wink:


Sure we are... :wink: :lol: :lol:


means much more than some 'poem':


At the moment I'm writing this, all the hospital corridors in Japan are filled with the wounded. Our own wounded boys are being sent to Japan from Korea by airplane... mostly to Japan's General and Apex hospitals.

When I came to Japan for a couple of days to mail my photos and (journalistic) reports, I got a telephone call in the early morning. The hospital's doctors asked me I needed to hop in a car and go to the hospital right away. In a situation like this, the word "request" has no meaning. Our boys in the hospital could not communicate with the doctors in the doctors' language. I happily rushed to the hospital.

Let me explain the courtesy and attitude of our boys in their own words. I asked one of the young men whose body was riddled with holes, carrying ten to fifteen wounds, "What's wrong?"

As much as he was capable of mustering, in a sweet tone, he replied, "I have nothing, efendim!"

This attitude from the Turkish soldiers so affected the American doctors, they were in tears.

"We never, ever saw any kind of wounded like these men. These men act as if their bullet, machine gun and bomb wounds are nonexistent. The wounded from any other nation, in similar shape, would be crying and shaking in their situation. Your boys never utter a word of complaint.

These American doctors, so moved by the uncomplaining attitude of the Turkish soldiers, attempted to go the extra mile to minimize their pain.

"Aci!.." This is the first Turkish word ("pain") that the American doctors in the Tokyo and Anex hospitals learn. Every time they encounter a wound, an aching chest, a throbbing back, when they feel with their fingers, they ask in Turkish:

"Aci?.."

In the Anex hospital, we stood in front of a bed. A Turkish soldier, so young, one would call him a kid. Wrapped totally in bandages. His name is Ahmet Cicek. (Chi-chek.) From "Cankir." Many parts of his body were injured from an exploding bomb.

What's wrong?" I asked.

"Nothing is wrong..."

(My darling boy!)

The doctor unwrapped the bandage from one of his hands. I could never have imagined a hand to be in such a mutilated shape.

Signaling one of the patient's fingers, the doctor told me in English:

"Tell him we need to amputate this finger from the root...today."

When the other doctors noticed my reluctance, they continued:

"What's the matter? This is very important."

Ahmet Cicek from Cankir first looked at me with foggy eyes... then at the men, dressed in white.

I protested. I added I had much experience, spending days and nights in hospitals, and mentioned by helping them I needed to be free in my actions:

"Please permit me, Doctor, don't make me give this boy such news."

The doctors replied, "However, he must know what is to happen to him. And we must begin the operation immediately."

When he noticed the ongoing argument, Ahmet Cicek from Cankir asked, "What are they saying, big brother?"

I finally revealed: "Ahmet. One of your fingers is no good anymore, my son. If it's not removed, your whole hand will be endangered. They now want to take you into the operating room."

At that moment, something happened I would have never expected. Ahmet Cicek began to laugh! Yes, he was laughing:

"Only one finger, big brother?"

"Yes... Only one finger!"

"Really, what is there to be sad about? I already realized that finger could rot my entire arm four days ago. I was going to cut it myself, but I didn't have enough strength in my other hand. I tried, but I couldn't. Let them cut it.... nine fingers are enough!"
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Postby DTA » Sun Apr 18, 2010 3:50 am

BirKibrisli wrote:
DTA wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:In the Korean war in the 50s,military psychologists carried out a test to find out which nation's soldiers were least immune to "enemy misinformation or propaganda",in other words,the ones least likely to waver from their duty...And the winner was.........THE TURKISH SOLDIERS.... :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:


That is because we are the turks that fights :wink:


Sure we are... :wink: :lol: :lol:


more infor about the turks that fight :wink:

As Professor Mahmut Ozan said in his commentary during this time, "As if they were adding salt to the wound, the TV networks were glorifying the unselfish bravery of the British, Canadian, and Greek units, and mentioning even the Colombians and the Ethiopians by name, with their ‘invaluable’ contributions rendered to the armed forces of the United States." Not that these other nations did not contribute to the war effort, but none of them saved a U.S. division from total destruction; no other nation's soldiers suffered higher casualties, none gave hope to a "demoralized American nation," and I doubt any of these other nations received obvious heartfelt praise by American major players (President Dwight Eisenhower, General Douglas MacArthur). What forces are at work that prevent anything good being said in the U.S. media about Turkey? Think about it. And think about how tainted all the negative information you keep hearing about Turkey might possibly be.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sun Apr 18, 2010 3:52 am

DTA wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
DTA wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:In the Korean war in the 50s,military psychologists carried out a test to find out which nation's soldiers were least immune to "enemy misinformation or propaganda",in other words,the ones least likely to waver from their duty...And the winner was.........THE TURKISH SOLDIERS.... :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:


That is because we are the turks that fights :wink:


Sure we are... :wink: :lol: :lol:


means much more than some 'poem':


At the moment I'm writing this, all the hospital corridors in Japan are filled with the wounded. Our own wounded boys are being sent to Japan from Korea by airplane... mostly to Japan's General and Apex hospitals.

When I came to Japan for a couple of days to mail my photos and (journalistic) reports, I got a telephone call in the early morning. The hospital's doctors asked me I needed to hop in a car and go to the hospital right away. In a situation like this, the word "request" has no meaning. Our boys in the hospital could not communicate with the doctors in the doctors' language. I happily rushed to the hospital.

Let me explain the courtesy and attitude of our boys in their own words. I asked one of the young men whose body was riddled with holes, carrying ten to fifteen wounds, "What's wrong?"

As much as he was capable of mustering, in a sweet tone, he replied, "I have nothing, efendim!"

This attitude from the Turkish soldiers so affected the American doctors, they were in tears.

"We never, ever saw any kind of wounded like these men. These men act as if their bullet, machine gun and bomb wounds are nonexistent. The wounded from any other nation, in similar shape, would be crying and shaking in their situation. Your boys never utter a word of complaint.

These American doctors, so moved by the uncomplaining attitude of the Turkish soldiers, attempted to go the extra mile to minimize their pain.

"Aci!.." This is the first Turkish word ("pain") that the American doctors in the Tokyo and Anex hospitals learn. Every time they encounter a wound, an aching chest, a throbbing back, when they feel with their fingers, they ask in Turkish:

"Aci?.."

In the Anex hospital, we stood in front of a bed. A Turkish soldier, so young, one would call him a kid. Wrapped totally in bandages. His name is Ahmet Cicek. (Chi-chek.) From "Cankir." Many parts of his body were injured from an exploding bomb.

What's wrong?" I asked.

"Nothing is wrong..."

(My darling boy!)

The doctor unwrapped the bandage from one of his hands. I could never have imagined a hand to be in such a mutilated shape.

Signaling one of the patient's fingers, the doctor told me in English:

"Tell him we need to amputate this finger from the root...today."

When the other doctors noticed my reluctance, they continued:

"What's the matter? This is very important."

Ahmet Cicek from Cankir first looked at me with foggy eyes... then at the men, dressed in white.

I protested. I added I had much experience, spending days and nights in hospitals, and mentioned by helping them I needed to be free in my actions:

"Please permit me, Doctor, don't make me give this boy such news."

The doctors replied, "However, he must know what is to happen to him. And we must begin the operation immediately."

When he noticed the ongoing argument, Ahmet Cicek from Cankir asked, "What are they saying, big brother?"

I finally revealed: "Ahmet. One of your fingers is no good anymore, my son. If it's not removed, your whole hand will be endangered. They now want to take you into the operating room."

At that moment, something happened I would have never expected. Ahmet Cicek began to laugh! Yes, he was laughing:

"Only one finger, big brother?"

"Yes... Only one finger!"

"Really, what is there to be sad about? I already realized that finger could rot my entire arm four days ago. I was going to cut it myself, but I didn't have enough strength in my other hand. I tried, but I couldn't. Let them cut it.... nine fingers are enough!"


Very touching indeed,DTA... :(

Now watch the Greek sewer rats come out to play... :wink:
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Postby DTA » Sun Apr 18, 2010 3:58 am

BirKibrisli wrote:
DTA wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
DTA wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:In the Korean war in the 50s,military psychologists carried out a test to find out which nation's soldiers were least immune to "enemy misinformation or propaganda",in other words,the ones least likely to waver from their duty...And the winner was.........THE TURKISH SOLDIERS.... :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:


That is because we are the turks that fights :wink:


Sure we are... :wink: :lol: :lol:


means much more than some 'poem':


At the moment I'm writing this, all the hospital corridors in Japan are filled with the wounded. Our own wounded boys are being sent to Japan from Korea by airplane... mostly to Japan's General and Apex hospitals.

When I came to Japan for a couple of days to mail my photos and (journalistic) reports, I got a telephone call in the early morning. The hospital's doctors asked me I needed to hop in a car and go to the hospital right away. In a situation like this, the word "request" has no meaning. Our boys in the hospital could not communicate with the doctors in the doctors' language. I happily rushed to the hospital.

Let me explain the courtesy and attitude of our boys in their own words. I asked one of the young men whose body was riddled with holes, carrying ten to fifteen wounds, "What's wrong?"

As much as he was capable of mustering, in a sweet tone, he replied, "I have nothing, efendim!"

This attitude from the Turkish soldiers so affected the American doctors, they were in tears.

"We never, ever saw any kind of wounded like these men. These men act as if their bullet, machine gun and bomb wounds are nonexistent. The wounded from any other nation, in similar shape, would be crying and shaking in their situation. Your boys never utter a word of complaint.

These American doctors, so moved by the uncomplaining attitude of the Turkish soldiers, attempted to go the extra mile to minimize their pain.

"Aci!.." This is the first Turkish word ("pain") that the American doctors in the Tokyo and Anex hospitals learn. Every time they encounter a wound, an aching chest, a throbbing back, when they feel with their fingers, they ask in Turkish:

"Aci?.."

In the Anex hospital, we stood in front of a bed. A Turkish soldier, so young, one would call him a kid. Wrapped totally in bandages. His name is Ahmet Cicek. (Chi-chek.) From "Cankir." Many parts of his body were injured from an exploding bomb.

What's wrong?" I asked.

"Nothing is wrong..."

(My darling boy!)

The doctor unwrapped the bandage from one of his hands. I could never have imagined a hand to be in such a mutilated shape.

Signaling one of the patient's fingers, the doctor told me in English:

"Tell him we need to amputate this finger from the root...today."

When the other doctors noticed my reluctance, they continued:

"What's the matter? This is very important."

Ahmet Cicek from Cankir first looked at me with foggy eyes... then at the men, dressed in white.

I protested. I added I had much experience, spending days and nights in hospitals, and mentioned by helping them I needed to be free in my actions:

"Please permit me, Doctor, don't make me give this boy such news."

The doctors replied, "However, he must know what is to happen to him. And we must begin the operation immediately."

When he noticed the ongoing argument, Ahmet Cicek from Cankir asked, "What are they saying, big brother?"

I finally revealed: "Ahmet. One of your fingers is no good anymore, my son. If it's not removed, your whole hand will be endangered. They now want to take you into the operating room."

At that moment, something happened I would have never expected. Ahmet Cicek began to laugh! Yes, he was laughing:

"Only one finger, big brother?"

"Yes... Only one finger!"

"Really, what is there to be sad about? I already realized that finger could rot my entire arm four days ago. I was going to cut it myself, but I didn't have enough strength in my other hand. I tried, but I couldn't. Let them cut it.... nine fingers are enough!"


Very touching indeed,DTA... :(

Now watch the Greek sewer rats come out to play... :wink:


the thing is bir I swear me an you were not natioanalist but the attitudes of the majority of GC her have made us so. ten years ago I thought that the cyprus issues was just because of a turkish land grab, but then i learnt about the history and thought that bbf was the best route, but now oracle, b25 and there friends are making me rethink that.
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Postby DTA » Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:08 am

More on the turks that fight:

“Mr. Speaker, as someone who joined the Marine Corps during the Korean War, I’ve always felt strongly about our allies in Turkey. As we mark the 50-year anniversary of the start of the Korean War on June 25th, the Turkish military’s bravery deserves great praise. The Turkish Brigade demonstrated superior combat capability and courage from the moment it entered the battlefield in October 1950 through the cease-fire agreement of July 1953.
Turkey provided the fifth largest contingent among United Nations forces—5,453 soldiers at the peak of the war. The Turkish Brigade is credited with saving the U.S. 8th Army and the IX Army Corps from encirclement by communist enemies, and the 2nd Division from total destruction during critical battles in November 1950.

The United Nations’ Forces Commander in Chief General Douglas MacArthur said: “Turks are the heroes of heroes. There is no ‘impossibility’ for the Turkish Brigade.”

No enemy attack succeeded in penetrating the Turkish Brigade, while British and American forces were forced to withdraw from defensive lines.

Even though out of ammunition, the Turks affixed their bayonets and attacked the enemy, eventually in hand-to-hand combat. The Turks succeeded in withdrawing in continuous combat and carrying their injured comrades from the battlefield on their backs.
Among the twenty U.N. members contributing military forces in Korea, Time Magazine praised the Turkish Brigade for its courageous battles and for ‘creating a favorable effect on the whole United Nations Forces.’ A US radio commentary in December 1950 thanked the Turkish Brigade’s heroism for giving hope for a demoralized American
nation.
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Postby DTA » Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:16 am

Major General Horace McBride was reported to have said in 1950? : “If I were in combat, I would rather have a Turkish division on my flank than any other I know”
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:55 am

DTA wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
DTA wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
DTA wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:In the Korean war in the 50s,military psychologists carried out a test to find out which nation's soldiers were least immune to "enemy misinformation or propaganda",in other words,the ones least likely to waver from their duty...And the winner was.........THE TURKISH SOLDIERS.... :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:


That is because we are the turks that fights :wink:


Sure we are... :wink: :lol: :lol:


means much more than some 'poem':


At the moment I'm writing this, all the hospital corridors in Japan are filled with the wounded. Our own wounded boys are being sent to Japan from Korea by airplane... mostly to Japan's General and Apex hospitals.

When I came to Japan for a couple of days to mail my photos and (journalistic) reports, I got a telephone call in the early morning. The hospital's doctors asked me I needed to hop in a car and go to the hospital right away. In a situation like this, the word "request" has no meaning. Our boys in the hospital could not communicate with the doctors in the doctors' language. I happily rushed to the hospital.

Let me explain the courtesy and attitude of our boys in their own words. I asked one of the young men whose body was riddled with holes, carrying ten to fifteen wounds, "What's wrong?"

As much as he was capable of mustering, in a sweet tone, he replied, "I have nothing, efendim!"

This attitude from the Turkish soldiers so affected the American doctors, they were in tears.

"We never, ever saw any kind of wounded like these men. These men act as if their bullet, machine gun and bomb wounds are nonexistent. The wounded from any other nation, in similar shape, would be crying and shaking in their situation. Your boys never utter a word of complaint.

These American doctors, so moved by the uncomplaining attitude of the Turkish soldiers, attempted to go the extra mile to minimize their pain.

"Aci!.." This is the first Turkish word ("pain") that the American doctors in the Tokyo and Anex hospitals learn. Every time they encounter a wound, an aching chest, a throbbing back, when they feel with their fingers, they ask in Turkish:

"Aci?.."

In the Anex hospital, we stood in front of a bed. A Turkish soldier, so young, one would call him a kid. Wrapped totally in bandages. His name is Ahmet Cicek. (Chi-chek.) From "Cankir." Many parts of his body were injured from an exploding bomb.

What's wrong?" I asked.

"Nothing is wrong..."

(My darling boy!)

The doctor unwrapped the bandage from one of his hands. I could never have imagined a hand to be in such a mutilated shape.

Signaling one of the patient's fingers, the doctor told me in English:

"Tell him we need to amputate this finger from the root...today."

When the other doctors noticed my reluctance, they continued:

"What's the matter? This is very important."

Ahmet Cicek from Cankir first looked at me with foggy eyes... then at the men, dressed in white.

I protested. I added I had much experience, spending days and nights in hospitals, and mentioned by helping them I needed to be free in my actions:

"Please permit me, Doctor, don't make me give this boy such news."

The doctors replied, "However, he must know what is to happen to him. And we must begin the operation immediately."

When he noticed the ongoing argument, Ahmet Cicek from Cankir asked, "What are they saying, big brother?"

I finally revealed: "Ahmet. One of your fingers is no good anymore, my son. If it's not removed, your whole hand will be endangered. They now want to take you into the operating room."

At that moment, something happened I would have never expected. Ahmet Cicek began to laugh! Yes, he was laughing:

"Only one finger, big brother?"

"Yes... Only one finger!"

"Really, what is there to be sad about? I already realized that finger could rot my entire arm four days ago. I was going to cut it myself, but I didn't have enough strength in my other hand. I tried, but I couldn't. Let them cut it.... nine fingers are enough!"


Very touching indeed,DTA... :(

Now watch the Greek sewer rats come out to play... :wink:


the thing is bir I swear me an you were not natioanalist but the attitudes of the majority of GC her have made us so. ten years ago I thought that the cyprus issues was just because of a turkish land grab, but then i learnt about the history and thought that bbf was the best route, but now oracle, b25 and there friends are making me rethink that.


DTA...if you find some time go back and read some of my early posts from 2005...You will be amazed..The funny thing is I am still the same person...There is only one mistake i would correct now..I tought at the time that my father was chased out of Cyprus by the TMT...I was wrong..
Anyway, I still believe that the ideal solution for Cyprus is a unitary state,based on democratic values,one-vote-one-value,without the slightest concession to peoples ethnic origins..But you can't have that with the fanatical GC/Greek mentality exhibited on this forum by many people...I have no reason to doubt this forum is a representative of the real Cyprus reality out there..You have the Kikapus,Bananiots,miltiadeses,Denizs,DTAs,Kifeases,humanists,kafeneses, and Birkibrislis out there...But you also have the Oracles,B25s,Epsilons,Growups,Piratises,boomerangs,Malapapas what have you...And we know that it is not the moderates who carry public opinion in times of conflict,it is the fanatics...Hence only a BBF with guaranteed TC political equality can work safely in practice in Cyprus...And that is what I am supporting now...But in my heart lies a unifed Cyprus,where our ethnic differences are not set in concrete politically... :(
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Postby boomerang » Sun Apr 18, 2010 5:13 am

BirKibrisli wrote:DTA...if you find some time go back and read some of my early posts from 2005...You will be amazed..The funny thing is I am still the same person...There is only one mistake i would correct now..I tought at the time that my father was chased out of Cyprus by the TMT...I was wrong..
Anyway, I still believe that the ideal solution for Cyprus is a unitary state,based on democratic values,one-vote-one-value,without the slightest concession to peoples ethnic origins..But you can't have that with the fanatical GC/Greek mentality exhibited on this forum by many people...I have no reason to doubt this forum is a representative of the real Cyprus reality out there..You have the Kikapus,Bananiots,miltiadeses,Denizs,DTAs,Kifeases,humanists,kafeneses, and Birkibrislis out there...But you also have the Oracles,B25s,Epsilons,Growups,Piratises,boomerangs,Malapapas what have you...And we know that it is not the moderates who carry public opinion in times of conflict,it is the fanatics...Hence only a BBF with guaranteed TC political equality can work safely in practice in Cyprus...And that is what I am supporting now...But in my heart lies a unifed Cyprus,where our ethnic differences are not set in concrete politically... :(


man you change your mind like the wind changes direction....i have been telling you all along democracy, human rights and the rule of law, and you spend your time disputing all these, and now you come with the abpve crap?...no wonder no one believes what you have to say...

once you compromised yourself it's a bit late screaming wolf... :lol: ...you have become a manic manic depressive ffs... :lol:

here is a task bir, show me a post where i advocate anything to what i have been saying and i will show you where you have been compromised...put your money where your mouth is boy... :wink:
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