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Who shall Western Civilisation Miss the Most?

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Who is the West going to miss the most?

Seeds of Civilisation, GCs?
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Useless Cuckoos, TCs?
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Postby Oracle » Sun Apr 18, 2010 2:04 pm

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Oracle wrote:“The Greekness of the Cypriots, is in my opinion indisputable."

British Governor from 1926 to 1932


................ who was?


Colonel Sir Ronald Henry Amherst Storrs, KCMG, CBE (19 November 1881 - 1 November 1955).


The same Sir Ronald Storrs, who before coming to Cyprus served as first British governor of Jerusalem, from 1917 to 1926, where he was thought “a witty, feline character who declared himself ‘anima naturaliter Levantina’. Unusual among mandatory officials in being an intellectual show-off, he was regarded by colleagues as being too clever by three quarters, by Arabs as a poseur who pretended to know more Arabic than he did, and by Jews as an untrustworthy hypocrite.”

So popular was he with the GCs that they burned down his Government House in 1931.

I can see why he thought they were like the Greeks!


Yes he was hated and so were the other Brits who sought to revise the indisputable Greekness of the island!

More to come later on the Turkish-Brit attempts to eradicate the indisputable native Greeks of Cyprus.
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Postby BOF » Sun Apr 18, 2010 2:20 pm

Yep just as soon as Madame O can look up unequivicable racial hatred for the british in any shape or form on google.... :roll:
now remind me, how long and during what period was the Island Of Cyprus part of the Greek Empire.........

And how does all this back tracking help the Island of Cyprus Move Forward?
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Apr 18, 2010 3:07 pm

Oracle wrote:“The Greekness of the Cypriots, is in my opinion indisputable."

British Governor from 1926 to 1932

You are constantly offending my Cypriot ethnicity so I’ve voted for the cuckoos! :wink:
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Postby Oracle » Sun Apr 18, 2010 3:11 pm

BOF wrote:Yep just as soon as Madame O can look up unequivicable racial hatred for the british in any shape or form on google.... :roll:
now remind me, how long and during what period was the Island Of Cyprus part of the Greek Empire.........

And how does all this back tracking help the Island of Cyprus Move Forward?


Only you could "confuse" the need to abolish Imperialist rule (such as the British Empire) with "racial hatred" for the British. :roll:

Most self-respecting Brits, and all liberal Brits, are ashamed of Britain's Colonial past. Is it that it is myself mentioning it, a GC, which makes you bristle with disapproval?

Then may I suggest you need to examine your superiority complex against us which is an undeniable instinct developed whilst you had to de-personify us and remove our identity to continue your hold on this island.
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Postby Oracle » Sun Apr 18, 2010 3:14 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:“The Greekness of the Cypriots, is in my opinion indisputable."

British Governor from 1926 to 1932

You are constantly offending my Cypriot ethnicity so I’ve voted for the cuckoos! :wink:


That is the prelude to a very interesting article which I don't have time to trim down yet :wink:

We'll deduct your vote ...
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Postby BOF » Sun Apr 18, 2010 6:48 pm

Oracle wrote:
BOF wrote:Yep just as soon as Madame O can look up unequivicable racial hatred for the british in any shape or form on google.... :roll:
now remind me, how long and during what period was the Island Of Cyprus part of the Greek Empire.........

And how does all this back tracking help the Island of Cyprus Move Forward?


Only you could "confuse" the need to abolish Imperialist rule (such as the British Empire) with "racial hatred" for the British. :roll:

Most self-respecting Brits, and all liberal Brits, are ashamed of Britain's Colonial past. Is it that it is myself mentioning it, a GC, which makes you bristle with disapproval?

Then may I suggest you need to examine your superiority complex against us which is an undeniable instinct developed whilst you had to de-personify us and remove our identity to continue your hold on this island.

Sorry - did i actually make a comment about the British colonial past? for or against? where did i give my opinion?
My personal opinion is i dont care where you come from be you a greek speaking cypriot or a north American Indian - and im really not that interested in your point of view - but you are entitled to one, and the right to voice it.
However you are Anti british - your posts clearly show this -
I dont have a hold on YOUR Island and I didnt depersonify you or your identity..
Again i ask you -how does all this backtracking help Cyprus move forward??
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Postby Oracle » Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:59 pm

BOF wrote:
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BOF wrote:Yep just as soon as Madame O can look up unequivicable racial hatred for the british in any shape or form on google.... :roll:
now remind me, how long and during what period was the Island Of Cyprus part of the Greek Empire.........

And how does all this back tracking help the Island of Cyprus Move Forward?


Only you could "confuse" the need to abolish Imperialist rule (such as the British Empire) with "racial hatred" for the British. :roll:

Most self-respecting Brits, and all liberal Brits, are ashamed of Britain's Colonial past. Is it that it is myself mentioning it, a GC, which makes you bristle with disapproval?

Then may I suggest you need to examine your superiority complex against us which is an undeniable instinct developed whilst you had to de-personify us and remove our identity to continue your hold on this island.

Sorry - did i actually make a comment about the British colonial past? for or against? where did i give my opinion?
My personal opinion is i dont care where you come from be you a greek speaking cypriot or a north American Indian - and im really not that interested in your point of view - but you are entitled to one, and the right to voice it.
However you are Anti british - your posts clearly show this -
I dont have a hold on YOUR Island and I didnt depersonify you or your identity..
Again i ask you -how does all this backtracking help Cyprus move forward??


Perhaps you need to be a little more careful then as I was discussing British Colonialism and its past and, unfortunately, dire present effects in Cyprus. There is no backtracking BOF, the problem is still with us. Whilst Britain maintains its “guarantor” meddling status in Cyprus’ affairs, and whilst its Military reserve some “sovereign” right to house themselves and their bombs on our island, then the problem is prevalent and there is no backtracking on my part when I accuse the Colonialists of continuing their crimes and misdemeanors on this Island.
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Postby RichardB » Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:00 pm

BOF wrote:
Oracle wrote:
BOF wrote:Yep just as soon as Madame O can look up unequivicable racial hatred for the british in any shape or form on google.... :roll:
now remind me, how long and during what period was the Island Of Cyprus part of the Greek Empire.........

And how does all this back tracking help the Island of Cyprus Move Forward?


Only you could "confuse" the need to abolish Imperialist rule (such as the British Empire) with "racial hatred" for the British. :roll:

Most self-respecting Brits, and all liberal Brits, are ashamed of Britain's Colonial past. Is it that it is myself mentioning it, a GC, which makes you bristle with disapproval?

Then may I suggest you need to examine your superiority complex against us which is an undeniable instinct developed whilst you had to de-personify us and remove our identity to continue your hold on this island.

Sorry - did i actually make a comment about the British colonial past? for or against? where did i give my opinion?
My personal opinion is i dont care where you come from be you a greek speaking cypriot or a north American Indian - and im really not that interested in your point of view - but you are entitled to one, and the right to voice it.
However you are Anti british - your posts clearly show this -
I dont have a hold on YOUR Island and I didnt depersonify you or your identity..
Again i ask you -how does all this backtracking help Cyprus move forward??


O - Anti British ..absolutely not

Anti occupation , Anti the suppression of Human Rights, Anti the misappropriation of property and land ....all these and more I am sure
But most definately not Anti British ...unless they fall into the above catagories
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Postby Oracle » Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:40 pm

I can’t get hold of the original paper by Michael Given but it is referred to by Miltiades Hatzopoulos in his own thesis from which these extracts are presented.

They go some way towards painting a picture of how much the British Colonialists tried to revise the history of this island to manipulate the natives and strengthen their hold on the island


Extracts from the article on Cypriot Archaeology, Modern Numismatics and Social Engineering.


This article examines the use of numismatic iconography by the British colonial administration of Cyprus in order, initially, to legitimise its possession of the island and, subsequently, to promote an Eteocypriot, an “authentic Cypriot”, identity as counter-poison against Greek nationalism.

In this endeavour of social engineering, archaeological items and
other symbols from Cyprus’ past played a prominent part. The outbreak of the Cypriot guerrilla war for union with Greece in 1955 highlighted the bankruptcy of this operation. Nevertheless, British efforts to evade Cyprus’ overwhelmingly Greek past – and present – continued unabated, even after the formal recognition of the island’s independence.

Stanley Casson described archaeological research in Cyprus as “a strange
and sad history” and deplored the first years of British rule as “a long record of destruction by neglect”. Furthermore, he denounced the archaeological excavations carried out during that period as practically reduced to tomb robbing. In fact, the aim of excavations was to enrich the collections of foreign museums, which until 1905 were authorised to carry away at least one third of the finds, rather than to increase scientific knowledge.

The fundamental, albeit controversial, study of the archaeological policies - or rather of the ideological orientations in the field of archaeology – promoted by the British colonial authorities in Cyprus remains Michael Given’s article “Inventing the Eteocypriots: Imperialist Archaeology and the Manipulation of Ethnic Identity”, published in volume XI of the Journal of Mediterranean Archaeology in 1998. In this paper the British archaeologist highlighted the way the colonial authorities in Cyprus used history and archaeology in order to counter the Greek national movement.

The author mentioned among other items, but without further elaboration, the reproduction of archaeological monuments on “postage stamps, coins,
postcards, tourist posters and official publications”, all symbolical works of art laden with ideological significance.

Since 1928 it had already been deemed necessary at the highest level to
promote “Cypriot patriotism” as the most effective counter-poison against
Greek nationalism. The effect of this new policy was visible in the new, 1930 version of The Handbook of Cyprus edited by the governor himself, R. H. A. Storrs, along with the Assistant Secretary to the Government, B. J. O’Brien, which systematically underplays the Greek element’s contribution to the history of Cyprus.

This brief presentation of Given’s views on the manipulation of the
monuments of Cypriot history by the colonial authorities for the consolidation of British rule on Cyprus.

The ideological message is clear. The commemorative piastre coin of 1928, and afterwards the other silver coins declare that Britain, by assuming the government of Cyprus in 1878, was simply coming back to her own; she was not conquering but recovering a land that she owned as “won by the spear”, even though Richard had sold the island.

Although all find their inspiration in antiquity, practically none of them recalls its Greek character. Three out of five (50, 5 and 3 mil coins) figure items from the Bronze Age or the first period of the Iron Age: according to Pridmore, a not otherwise specified “Mycenaean ivory found at Enkomi” (50 mils), “a bronze panel found at Curium” (5 mils) and “a design of an iron-age vase in the Cyprus Museum” (3 mils). Only a trained archaeologist might recognise in them some affinity with the Greek world.

Even the subjects on the 100 and 25 mil coins with figures from a less distant past, respectively an otherwise unidentified “painting on a jug found in Cyprus” and “a Greek coin found at Soli”, have no special connection with classical antiquity. It may be implicitly admitted that Cyprus is something more than her British rulers symbolised by the crowned bust of Elizabeth II on the obverse, but that Cypriots are not Greek (or Turkish for that matter), but Levantines, descendants of some particular but unidentified people of the Near East.

The third numismatic period (1928-60), which again coincides with Given’s
third archaeological period (c.1930-1960), is characterised by strong British reaction to the mounting Enosis movement. Two successive phases can be distinguished. During the first, which finds its expression in the late coinage of George V and that of George VI, the British authorities seemed to react negatively by stressing their imperial pretensions and by claiming rights of indefinite sovereignty emanating from the conquest of the island.

Ernest Bevin, the British Foreign Secretary, wrote in a 1946 secret
memo “our whole policy towards Cyprus will have to be reviewed, for we have starved the Cypriots, treated them very badly, and must mend our ways”.

This new policy would be implemented through the projection of a more accessible, more “popular” image of royal power and through a rapprochement with the local population, provided though that the latter was willing to disclaim its Greek character and to don its “authentic Cypriot” identity.

The above observations do not invalidate the caveat submitted by Given. On the contrary, they confirm the overlap and “time lag” which he perceived between the “production” of ideological discourse by historians and archaeologists and its exploitation by the colonial authorities, who seem to lag behind by one phase and only at the very end catch up with the ideological developments. But the attempt to befriend the Cypriot population hesitantly implemented at the end of the 1940s and based, moreover, on the exclusion of self-definition and self-determination, was insufficient, tragically belated and far from realistic. In the early hours of the first of April 1955, four months before the circulation of the new – and last – numismatic issue of colonial Cyprus, the armed struggle of EOKA had begun, initiating half a century of violence.

Even after the forced renouncement of British sovereignty and the
recognition of Cypriot independence, measures were taken in order to foil the Greek-Cypriots’ suggestion that the new coinage of the Republic of Cyprus might include motifs from the specifically Greek past of the island, such as figures of Aphrodite and Dionysos or a ram and a bull from ancient coins of Salamis and Paphos. Finally, all human figures were excluded, and only plants or animals were deemed acceptable (a mouflon for the 100 mil coin, a bunch of grapes for the 50 mil, a cedar cone for the 25 mil, the same ancient sailing ship for the 5 mil coin and two ears of corn.

Only on the new coinage, minted in 1983 after the introduction of the new cents denomination in replacement of mils, does a theme clearly evoking the Greek past of the island make its first appearance. The reverse of the elegant 50 cent coin carries a reproduction of the reverse of a silver
issue of the ancient kingdom of Marion figuring the abduction of Europa and bearing in syllabic script the Greek legend ...
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Postby observer » Mon Apr 19, 2010 6:45 am

Oracle wrote:
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Oracle wrote:“The Greekness of the Cypriots, is in my opinion indisputable."

British Governor from 1926 to 1932


................ who was?


Colonel Sir Ronald Henry Amherst Storrs, KCMG, CBE (19 November 1881 - 1 November 1955).


The same Sir Ronald Storrs, who before coming to Cyprus served as first British governor of Jerusalem, from 1917 to 1926, where he was thought “a witty, feline character who declared himself ‘anima naturaliter Levantina’. Unusual among mandatory officials in being an intellectual show-off, he was regarded by colleagues as being too clever by three quarters, by Arabs as a poseur who pretended to know more Arabic than he did, and by Jews as an untrustworthy hypocrite.”

So popular was he with the GCs that they burned down his Government House in 1931.

I can see why he thought they were like the Greeks!


Yes he was hated and so were the other Brits who sought to revise the indisputable Greekness of the island!

More to come later on the Turkish-Brit attempts to eradicate the indisputable native Greeks of Cyprus.


First you quote Storrs with delight because he apparently said "The Greekness of the Cypriots, is in my opinion indisputable".
Then you say he was hated like other Brits who sought to revise the indisputable Greekness of the island.

I think you are a confused little bunny - but I expect in your usual way you will ignore anything that is contrary to your preconceived ideas and change the subject.
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