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[Piratis]

Or maybe the problem is that you had no CIVIL marriages in Cyprus, you only had CHRISTIAN marriages ???

Look, maybe it is hard for you to undertsnad since Bulgaria was a communist country, but in Cyprus religous marriages were indeed the official marriages. Clear now?

If it is ILLEGAL for muslims to get married in Cyprus, then no wonder why TC do not want to return to LEGALITY.

Ok, again, It is not illegal. If there is some dificulty in the laws for inter religous marriages this was probably done on the request of the TC community because they were afraid that they would be assimilated by the majority.

[Piratis]

What you are saying does contradict with your "one man one vote" system. If the last one you said is what you really support, then I won't have a problem.

I don't think it contradicts. It is called affirmative action and it used in many countries. In Cyprus we can have it permanently.

GC DID persue purely GC desires in Cyprus with no regard for TC wishes.

I agree, but so did the TCs before that for a much longer period.

However I don't accept that what we should have for the future should be something bad and unfair because what we had in the past was bad and unfair. The majority of GCs have already understood that, and I hope the majority of TCs will understand it too otherwise the two communities will keep trying to gain on the loss of each other, and peace will never come.

[bg_turk]

Piratis,

Yes, you are right about communism in Bulgaria, thanks God it wiped out religion, we have no christian fundamentalists like in Greece and muslim fundamentalists like in Turkey.

You still haven't answered my question by clearly stating that muslims could have official marriages, recognized by the governemnt, in the years before 1999 or vice versa, but anyway I give up. From your answer I understand that the government recognized only marriages in the church.

So under your advice I now ask all TCs:

1. Why did you want muslim marriage in Cyprus to be illegal?

[Piratis]

When was muslim marriage illegal? You mean marriage of Christian with Muslim I suppose?

[Piratis]

thanks God it wiped out religion.

Interesting statement. Personally I am atheist, and I believe that without religion the world would have been a much better one.

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[erolz]

GC DID persue purely GC desires in Cyprus with no regard for TC wishes.

I agree, but so did the TCs before that for a much longer period.

TC (as opposed to the ottomans) persued purely TC desires in Cyprus for TC. GC persued (and still persue) totaly GC desires in Cyprus for GC AND TC. That is the material difference as I see. On purely practical terms TC never had an opportunity to impose it's wishes on all Cypriots, but GC as the numericaly larger community did have such an opportunity and it used it - with extreme prejudice.

However I don't accept that what we should have for the future should be something bad and unfair because what we had in the past was bad and unfair. The majority of GCs have already understood that, and I hope the majority of TCs will understand it too otherwise the two communities will keep trying to gain on the loss of each other, and peace will never come.

I do not argue that we should have a bad solution. I argue that the TC community needs protection against the potential dominance of the larger GC majority community. To say to me in the current atmosphere of trust (or total lack of it) that 'ok a GC numerical majority did try to impose it's purely GC desires on TC community against their will in a 'united' Cyprus and against the spirit and the letter of the consitituion they previously agreed but that's all in the past and we will not do it again and also we will not give guarantees or effective protections that we will not do it again' is simply just not good enough as far as I am concerned.

[suetoniuspaulinus]

Gentlemen

First of all welcome to the Forum Mr bg_turk

While I agree with nearly all you say. that is TC's in RoC have been disenfranchised ( This means they cannot vote Mr P ) and claims to their proprties can only be taken to court " After a political settlement", the question of marriage is an interesting one.

Even in the North, it is impossible for a Moslem to marry a Christian. This I know from personal experience.

Family lawin TRNC, based upon British Law in Cyprus circa 1960 doesn't allow for this possibility. It is not against the law, just that you can't do it.

The Kaymakam, " Area or District Magistrate", is allowed to marry non Moslems and the local "Weddings Officer" can marry non Christians.

Clearly this residual British Law exists in the South as well.


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[suetoniuspaulinus]

And on the Sabbath man shall rest.

He awakes in anticipation of worship. He attires himself in ceremonial robe, and travels many miles to give thanks, and pay homage. He pays large sums of money to enter the temples of worship. In unison with other devout followers, he fills his lungs with air and sings the glory of his salvation. He is even prepared at times to partake in crusades or jihads in the name of glorifying the subject of his devotion.

Opium? …………………..naah much more than that.

Mr gabaston

In my life I have had the opportunity of studying three " Holy Books".

Those of the Jews, Christians and Moslems. All were in English since I cannot read Aramaic and I am convinced that there are likely to be honest translational errors.

All the books offer a good philosophy of life IF you stick to what they say.

Don't kill. don't steal basically treat your neighbour as yourself.

Unfortunately, Politically motivated Princes, Kings, Mullahs, Sha's etc who control the priests encourage deliberate MIS TRANSLATION to suit their own greed. And so we have fanatics. ANY FANATIC IS WRONG.

Attaturk tried to divorce politics from religion in Turkey.for example. In this case he was really an enlightened leader.

While I do not consider myself to be a member of any religious order I cannot say that I do not believe in God.

However I also feel that God is in your heart and in your brain, and that a "Good" person is a good person from the decisions that he makes every day.

Karl Marx was suggesting that the average person was like a sheep and could be manipulated by the Church. Whichever "Church" does not matter. the point is that religion has always been a Political tool used by the rulers