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[BirKibrisli]

You need to get some lessons in How to Win friends and Influence People,Boomers...Yfred has more sense and wit in his little finger than a lot of people who post here...and he is right when he says the boat is about to depart,and all Cypriots would be the losers if we miss it...Your problem and DT's problem is that you want to wipe the terrible years of 55-74 under the carpet,and think you can get away with it...You cant...The TCs will not trust you or respect you,if you keep accusing them of aiding a foreign invader or gaining on GC loss...When you appreciate and admit thqt the TCs are the biggest losers in this conflict and for very LITTLE fault of their own,we might get somewhere...Anything else is wishful thinking at best,and more likely cognitive distortions and dangerous delusions on your part...

[umit07]

You need to get some lessons in How to Win friends and Influence People,Boomers...Yfred has more sense and wit in his little finger than a lot of people who post here...and he is right when he says the boat is about to depart,and all Cypriots would be the losers if we miss it...Your problem and DT's problem is that you want to wipe the terrible years of 55-74 under the carpet,and think you can get away with it...You cant...The TCs will not trust you or respect you,if you keep accusing them of aiding a foreign invader or gaining on GC loss...When you appreciate and admit thqt the TCs are the biggest losers in this conflict and for very LITTLE fault of their own,we might get somewhere...Anything else is wishful thinking at best,and more likely cognitive distortions and dangerous delusions on your part...

Bir, I agree with what you say about GC's not acknowledging how vital the first years of the Republic was. What I don't agree on is that TC's have no control over their fate. TC's should get off there sorry ass's and stop complaining about not being recognized as a state and embargoes and blah blah blah. What I saw in Cyprus is that most TC's are two faced bastards who only remember "law and order" and "democracy" only when it suits them. Most would sell their mama for the right price. The north has basically become a nation built on scavengers, the national front promotes partition in order to hold on to the loot, while Talat and co tie every problem to a possible solution. All a bunch of cock suckers in my opinion.

[boomerang]

You need to get some lessons in How to Win friends and Influence People,Boomers...Yfred has more sense and wit in his little finger than a lot of people who post here...and he is right when he says the boat is about to depart,and all Cypriots would be the losers if we miss it...Your problem and DT's problem is that you want to wipe the terrible years of 55-74 under the carpet,and think you can get away with it...You cant...The TCs will not trust you or respect you,if you keep accusing them of aiding a foreign invader or gaining on GC loss...When you appreciate and admit thqt the TCs are the biggest losers in this conflict and for very LITTLE fault of their own,we might get somewhere...Anything else is wishful thinking at best,and more likely cognitive distortions and dangerous delusions on your part...

and you need some lessons in pulling your head out of your ass bir...try pulling head out of ass for dummies...better still borrow knuckleheads one...

this form a man that thinks the greatest injustice to the human race is the tc plight...this is from a man that thinks democracy, human rights and rule of law should play second fiddle to gos greatest gift to man kind, yes the tc, the chosen race...

all of the above that sees the cyprus intercommunal fighting is a far greatest injustice bestowed to humans, lets say the blacks in the us, and his unwillingless to accept what prevailed at the end was democracy, human rights and the rule of law...

this from a man that is unable to see the ever lingering influence of turkey, dreaming turkey will one pack and leave the island, and then says turkey will have interests and influencein cyprus...

your problem is bir you want an apology form the gcs, unable to accept that enosis was not only promised to the gcs from the british, but was bestowed to every country...yeah save your hostorical facts...even bananiot accepts this...after the 60's enosis should have been buried, but the partition seed was planrted long ago...i blame both communities, unlike you that blames one...it does take 2 to tango bir...

no bir what you want is to advance this influence, turkey, all over the island...

I said to you before many times the north side was turkified the first day turkey set foot on the island...turkey tried to cement it in 2004 and it failed...

ain't gonna happen buddy...

in the mean time try answering some of the knucleheads post saving us the trouble...

get it through your head, unless all the injustices are reversed to some extend, not only a plan will never come about, but start embrassing your extinction...your lack or unwillingless to accept this will be your downfall...

yes you will have 1 million turks in north, but sure as hell there will be a wall keeping you there...and then the tcs will migrate to the free areas accepting a unitary state...your worsed nightmare bir...so please stop with the soap operas bir...

[boomerang]

You need to get some lessons in How to Win friends and Influence People,Boomers...Yfred has more sense and wit in his little finger than a lot of people who post here...and he is right when he says the boat is about to depart,and all Cypriots would be the losers if we miss it...Your problem and DT's problem is that you want to wipe the terrible years of 55-74 under the carpet,and think you can get away with it...You cant...The TCs will not trust you or respect you,if you keep accusing them of aiding a foreign invader or gaining on GC loss...When you appreciate and admit thqt the TCs are the biggest losers in this conflict and for very LITTLE fault of their own,we might get somewhere...Anything else is wishful thinking at best,and more likely cognitive distortions and dangerous delusions on your part...

Bir, I agree with what you say about GC's not acknowledging how vital the first years of the Republic was. What I don't agree on is that TC's have no control over their fate. TC's should get off there sorry ass's and stop complaining about not being recognized as a state and embargoes and blah blah blah. What I saw in Cyprus is that most TC's are two faced bastards who only remember "law and order" and "democracy" only when it suits them. Most would sell their mama for the right price. The north has basically become a nation built on scavengers, the national front promotes partition in order to hold on to the loot, while Talat and co tie every problem to a possible solution. All a bunch of cock suckers in my opinion.

what bir wants is a plan the exports all of the above to the free areas...ain't gonna happen...

all i want is a system to what we have in OZ...where democracy, human rights and rule of law applies to everyone...yes I am a minority, but makes fuck all difference as we leave by the same rules...something bir can't even get his head around, even though he leaves in this country...go figure and see who has his head burried up his ass...

[miltiades]

36 Years of embargo !!
However one of the worlds largest market , Turkey , is there for the picking.
Can anyone throw some light as to the type of industries including the agricultural sector that have made serious inroads into the vast market of Turkey.
Opening up trade with the rest of the world will produce no benefits whatsoever if there are no goods to trade.
Most emphatically concerted efforts have been directed towards the creation of superficial " industries" , land development projects , casinos and other leisure industries that are in no away affected by embargoes or if they are at a reduced level.

[umit07]

You need to get some lessons in How to Win friends and Influence People,Boomers...Yfred has more sense and wit in his little finger than a lot of people who post here...and he is right when he says the boat is about to depart,and all Cypriots would be the losers if we miss it...Your problem and DT's problem is that you want to wipe the terrible years of 55-74 under the carpet,and think you can get away with it...You cant...The TCs will not trust you or respect you,if you keep accusing them of aiding a foreign invader or gaining on GC loss...When you appreciate and admit thqt the TCs are the biggest losers in this conflict and for very LITTLE fault of their own,we might get somewhere...Anything else is wishful thinking at best,and more likely cognitive distortions and dangerous delusions on your part...

Bir, I agree with what you say about GC's not acknowledging how vital the first years of the Republic was. What I don't agree on is that TC's have no control over their fate. TC's should get off there sorry ass's and stop complaining about not being recognized as a state and embargoes and blah blah blah. What I saw in Cyprus is that most TC's are two faced bastards who only remember "law and order" and "democracy" only when it suits them. Most would sell their mama for the right price. The north has basically become a nation built on scavengers, the national front promotes partition in order to hold on to the loot, while Talat and co tie every problem to a possible solution. All a bunch of cock suckers in my opinion.

what bir wants is a plan the exports all of the above to the free areas...ain't gonna happen...

all i want is a system to what we have in OZ...where democracy, human rights and rule of law applies to everyone...yes I am a minority, but makes fuck all difference as we leave by the same rules...something bir can't even get his head around, even though he leaves in this country...go figure and see who has his head burried up his ass...

Boomers you can't compare Cyprus to Australia. I agree with Bir that the events after 63 have changed Cyprus forever. GC's tend to over simplify what happened in the chain of incidents that led to 74. After seeing the crap on this forum, I believe that a true democracy in the sense as like Australia would not work in cyprus.

[BirKibrisli]

You need to get some lessons in How to Win friends and Influence People,Boomers...Yfred has more sense and wit in his little finger than a lot of people who post here...and he is right when he says the boat is about to depart,and all Cypriots would be the losers if we miss it...Your problem and DT's problem is that you want to wipe the terrible years of 55-74 under the carpet,and think you can get away with it...You cant...The TCs will not trust you or respect you,if you keep accusing them of aiding a foreign invader or gaining on GC loss...When you appreciate and admit thqt the TCs are the biggest losers in this conflict and for very LITTLE fault of their own,we might get somewhere...Anything else is wishful thinking at best,and more likely cognitive distortions and dangerous delusions on your part...

Bir, I agree with what you say about GC's not acknowledging how vital the first years of the Republic was. What I don't agree on is that TC's have no control over their fate. TC's should get off there sorry ass's and stop complaining about not being recognized as a state and embargoes and blah blah blah. What I saw in Cyprus is that most TC's are two faced bastards who only remember "law and order" and "democracy" only when it suits them. Most would sell their mama for the right price. The north has basically become a nation built on scavengers, the national front promotes partition in order to hold on to the loot, while Talat and co tie every problem to a possible solution. All a bunch of cock suckers in my opinion.

I am sure some in the trnc are as you describe them,Umit...But you can't generalise...And you can't blame the victims for what happened to them against their will...From the moment the GCs launched their armed struggle to achieve ENOSIS with Greece,the TCs had no choice but fight back with everything at their disposal,which wasn't much at the time...You had to live those years to understand the plight of the TCs...You tell me what they could have done differently to survive as a community,with the GCs hell bent on wiping them from the face of the earth...Don't listen to their democracy and human rights talk now...Those pushing for ENOSIS had bitterness and hatred in their hearts for the TCs and they wanted nothing more than get the opportunity to put the TCs where they thought they belonged...6 feet under...I am not saying the majority,the silent majority,were like this..But it mattered little..Those pulling the strings of power were all Turk- hating EOKA thugs including Makarios,Yorgadjis and Papadopoulos,not to forgetting the biggest Turk-hater of all,Grivas...
Do you really believe,as some her are telling us, that nothing would have happened to the TCs had Turkey not stepped in in July 1974...If you do you are very naive...Had Sampson got his way Szrebreniska in Bosnia(in 95) whould have looked like the Butchers picnic compared to Cyprus(in 1975)..

The rest of history just followed its natural course...Living in an open prison,and squeezed between the RoC and Turkey,what other options can you describe for the TCs to make the outcome different???? What came as a big slap for me,someone who spent years talking about the wrongs of the TMT and the TC leaders,was the realisation that the average GC had no idea and didnt give a damn about the pain and suffering of the TCs since the mid 50s...As you can see on this Forum it is all about hitting the victim while he is down,and putting all the blame on those who had the least power to change the course of the events...I just can't stand this injustice any longer...If you still think there is something the TCs could have done differently,I am willing to listen...

[umit07]

36 Years of embargo !!
However one of the worlds largest market , Turkey , is there for the picking.
Can anyone throw some light as to the type of industries including the agricultural sector that have made serious inroads into the vast market of Turkey.
Opening up trade with the rest of the world will produce no benefits whatsoever if there are no goods to trade.
Most emphatically concerted efforts have been directed towards the creation of superficial " industries" , land development projects , casinos and other leisure industries that are in no away affected by embargoes or if they are at a reduced level.

Milti, what could Cyprus offer Turkey? The only way the north could compete would be with economic specialization. They tried to do that with the universities, but being greedy they turned the entire thing into a money making venture, institutions grew too fast hence decreasing the quality in education.

[BirKibrisli]

You need to get some lessons in How to Win friends and Influence People,Boomers...Yfred has more sense and wit in his little finger than a lot of people who post here...and he is right when he says the boat is about to depart,and all Cypriots would be the losers if we miss it...Your problem and DT's problem is that you want to wipe the terrible years of 55-74 under the carpet,and think you can get away with it...You cant...The TCs will not trust you or respect you,if you keep accusing them of aiding a foreign invader or gaining on GC loss...When you appreciate and admit thqt the TCs are the biggest losers in this conflict and for very LITTLE fault of their own,we might get somewhere...Anything else is wishful thinking at best,and more likely cognitive distortions and dangerous delusions on your part...

and you need some lessons in pulling your head out of your ass bir...try pulling head out of ass for dummies...better still borrow knuckleheads one...

this form a man that thinks the greatest injustice to the human race is the tc plight...this is from a man that thinks democracy, human rights and rule of law should play second fiddle to gos greatest gift to man kind, yes the tc, the chosen race...

all of the above that sees the cyprus intercommunal fighting is a far greatest injustice bestowed to humans, lets say the blacks in the us, and his unwillingless to accept what prevailed at the end was democracy, human rights and the rule of law...

this from a man that is unable to see the ever lingering influence of turkey, dreaming turkey will one pack and leave the island, and then says turkey will have interests and influencein cyprus...

your problem is bir you want an apology form the gcs, unable to accept that enosis was not only promised to the gcs from the british, but was bestowed to every country...yeah save your hostorical facts...even bananiot accepts this...after the 60's enosis should have been buried, but the partition seed was planrted long ago...i blame both communities, unlike you that blames one...it does take 2 to tango bir...

no bir what you want is to advance this influence, turkey, all over the island...

I said to you before many times the north side was turkified the first day turkey set foot on the island...turkey tried to cement it in 2004 and it failed...

ain't gonna happen buddy...

in the mean time try answering some of the knucleheads post saving us the trouble...

get it through your head, unless all the injustices are reversed to some extend, not only a plan will never come about, but start embrassing your extinction...your lack or unwillingless to accept this will be your downfall...

yes you will have 1 million turks in north, but sure as hell there will be a wall keeping you there...and then the tcs will migrate to the free areas accepting a unitary state...your worsed nightmare bir...so please stop with the soap operas bir...

Forget it,boomers,you will never understand where I am coming from...
And there is the essence of the Cyprus problem,and why it will never be solved...Keep advocating your democracy and human rights solution,without first coming to terms with the events of 55-74,and see where it will get you...I know,but there is no way I can make you see it...You will just have to wait and see...And I ,and those who want to be Cypriots above all,will just have to return to our Turkish roots...Because you and the likes of YOU are giving us no other choice...

[umit07]

@Bir

I agree with what you say about the events that led to 74". My father born in 44 remember much of the strife. Bir, to put it frankly I feel like a bastard with no country. I look south and can't see a future for myself there, I look north and feel worse that TC's are worse than the GC's they like to bag soo much. I don't want to be a second class citizen like TC's pre 74 but I don't wanna be a 3 rd class citizen in our supposed savior state called the TRNC. I don't wanna turn to my Turksih roots either. It's basically one fucked up mess. I'm all alone in Oz but I feel like I'm more at home.