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[BirKibrisli]

You see,dear miltiades,these so-called Cypriots on this forum would take any opportunity to put the boot into the TCs who they consider to be Turks and not Cypriots...And by "Turks" they mean barbarians...Nothing much has changed for the past couple of hundred years,the hatred and bitterness in these people's hearts are mindboggling...It is with the heaviest of hearts that I have realised we,the True Cypriots,have lost the war,and these peddlers of hatred and war,and their equivalents amongst the TCs have won...Cyprus will never be reunited...Partition is now a foregone conclusion...Fanatical nationalism and unchecked historical animosity have defeated us...With the expected of victory of ERoglu tomorrow all pretence to be looking for a solution will stop...The Turkification of the North of Cyprus is now inevitable...They better hope and pray that it stops at the trnc borders...

[DT.]

No mate Wrong! Cyprus belongs to the Cypriots , not the Greeks , Turks , British or anyone else , its ours the Cypriots.

If only more Cypriots felt as you do.

There is plenty. 65% had a free vote in the north and 35% voted in the south despite intemedation of every kind for peace. Just think what the result would have been if it was a fair vote in the south too.
There is plenty just not very vocal.

What would have happened had the TC's had the balls to say to no to Turkey inserting a last minute wish list that was sure to be rejected by the GC's.

You managed to accomodate every whim the Turkish state had in Cyprus, of which none were of any benefit to TC's or GC's. And then you complain that it got turned down by us. Again and again it will be turned down until you come to your senses and stop trying to step over the GC's at every opportunity.

[miltiades]

No mate Wrong! Cyprus belongs to the Cypriots , not the Greeks ,

Oh for gawd's sake Miltiades!

Your grandchildren are baptized Greek Orthodox. You take pride in speaking proper Greek ... so why don't you bugger off to Greece if Cyprus is so foreign to your Greek traditions?

Oracle , over the last four years or so I have played exactly the same tune , the Cypriot tune.
Let me put you straight on a fundamental point you raised.
Firstly my children and grandchildren were Christened in the Greek Orthodox Church in the same fashion that many non English people were Christened in the Church of England and millions more non Romans in the Roman Catholic Church.
I adore Greek music just as much as I love Greek food , I also adore English music and love English , French , Italian and other "foreign" food.
I worked hard to improve my linguistic skills in the Greek language because it happens to be my mother tongue just as English is the mother tongue of Australians etc and Spanish is to Brazilians , South Americans , Cubans etc.

Am I a Greek , certainly not , I'm a Greek Cypriot who over a period stretching into more than 6 decades have come to adore and respect my true ethnicity that of Cyprus on which island there are also Turkish Cypriots whom I embraced as my compatriots at the same time rejecting and referring to all those who consider Turkey as their motherland as foreigners , in the same fashion I have rejected EPSILON and called him a foreigner.
I'm in no way propagating that our close relatives are consigned to the rubbish bin , we share far too much history , culture and may I say religious festivities , the T/Cs too have relations , they too can not discard and no one is asking them to do so, however the future of this island and our future generations deserve a chance to live on this now prosperous island without the constant fear , hatred and mistrust of their compatriots.

I will give you just a couple of examples here , but do please consider them with an open mind.
On this forum I have made many friends , and some not so friendly , I have reciprocated when respect care and understanding has been directed at me and have also responded when bombarded with hatred and disrespect . I start with you O , we have vastly different approaches to the best methods in dealing with the Cyprob , we remonstrated with each other on many occasions. I called you some names and you told me to f..ck off !! However I have seen in you another side and I responded accordingly with humanity and respect for your person and not your views. I will let it be known that amongst those who consoled me over the darkest days of my life you have been at the forefront along with my dearest friend Deniz and many more from Birkibrisly , Bananiot , Bubbles , Umit , Halil , Yialousa too and many many more. Ice has been broken the same way that ice and unwanted particles can be removed from our peoples minds and empathy and mutual respect can be introduced.

Many T/Cs on this forum may well disagree with my forthright and direct approach but none would disrespect or doubt my sincerity in stating that above all Im a CYPRIOT , and none would object to having me as their neighbour , cant say the same for some of you !!

[miltiades]

No mate Wrong! Cyprus belongs to the Cypriots , not the Greeks , Turks , British or anyone else , its ours the Cypriots.

If only more Cypriots felt as you do.

There is plenty. 65% had a free vote in the north and 35% voted in the south despite intemedation of every kind for peace. Just think what the result would have been if it was a fair vote in the south too.
There is plenty just not very vocal.

What would have happened had the TC's had the balls to say to no to Turkey inserting a last minute wish list that was sure to be rejected by the GC's.

You managed to accomodate every whim the Turkish state had in Cyprus, of which none were of any benefit to TC's or GC's. And then you complain that it got turned down by us. Again and again it will be turned down until you come to your senses and stop trying to step over the GC's at every opportunity.

Fred must realize that many moderates , myself included , rejected the AP since they saw in the Plan not the slightest element of reunification , on the contrary the AP was divisive , non unifying and contradictory to say the least .

[YFred]

No mate Wrong! Cyprus belongs to the Cypriots , not the Greeks , Turks , British or anyone else , its ours the Cypriots.

If only more Cypriots felt as you do.

There is plenty. 65% had a free vote in the north and 35% voted in the south despite intemedation of every kind for peace. Just think what the result would have been if it was a fair vote in the south too.
There is plenty just not very vocal.

What would have happened had the TC's had the balls to say to no to Turkey inserting a last minute wish list that was sure to be rejected by the GC's.

You managed to accomodate every whim the Turkish state had in Cyprus, of which none were of any benefit to TC's or GC's. And then you complain that it got turned down by us. Again and again it will be turned down until you come to your senses and stop trying to step over the GC's at every opportunity.

Fred must realize that many moderates , myself included , rejected the AP since they saw in the Plan not the slightest element of reunification , on the contrary the AP was divisive , non unifying and contradictory to say the least .

So why did Greece, EU and UN back it? Because it was as good as you are going to get. It would have paved the way for the gradual removal of Turkish influence off the island, instead you kicked the plan to touch as well as the only chance we got and now it looks like the only chance we are going to get. The TCs have other ideas now. If Eroglu wins, then they are no longer interested. For years to come, those who were moderates and voted against it will be judged very harshly for throwing away the only chance we got to begin the unification. Instead they closed their minds and asked for everything in one which led to nothing and will always do.

[YFred]

No mate Wrong! Cyprus belongs to the Cypriots , not the Greeks , Turks , British or anyone else , its ours the Cypriots.

If only more Cypriots felt as you do.

There is plenty. 65% had a free vote in the north and 35% voted in the south despite intemedation of every kind for peace. Just think what the result would have been if it was a fair vote in the south too.
There is plenty just not very vocal.

What would have happened had the TC's had the balls to say to no to Turkey inserting a last minute wish list that was sure to be rejected by the GC's.

You managed to accomodate every whim the Turkish state had in Cyprus, of which none were of any benefit to TC's or GC's. And then you complain that it got turned down by us. Again and again it will be turned down until you come to your senses and stop trying to step over the GC's at every opportunity.

Please explain to us why UN, Greece and EU approved it? and Why did the EU representative wanted to get on TV and talk to the GCs? What was it he upset about?
Was not the last minute points put in by UN? was that not the agreement between the parties that anything not agreed would be decided by the UN? You are still in denial. TPapa never had any intention of negotiating and He was glad they were put in. One of these days when you may wake up from your deep slumber.

As to the Turkish interest, there is nothing anybody can do about it. The Turks feel it was theirs and was stolen from them and they will defend their intests. Strange enough they have the power to do it. If UK can claim the Malvinas, you blame Turkey for claiming interests in Cyprus? You are out of your mind?

[DT.]

No mate Wrong! Cyprus belongs to the Cypriots , not the Greeks , Turks , British or anyone else , its ours the Cypriots.

If only more Cypriots felt as you do.

There is plenty. 65% had a free vote in the north and 35% voted in the south despite intemedation of every kind for peace. Just think what the result would have been if it was a fair vote in the south too.
There is plenty just not very vocal.

What would have happened had the TC's had the balls to say to no to Turkey inserting a last minute wish list that was sure to be rejected by the GC's.

You managed to accomodate every whim the Turkish state had in Cyprus, of which none were of any benefit to TC's or GC's. And then you complain that it got turned down by us. Again and again it will be turned down until you come to your senses and stop trying to step over the GC's at every opportunity.

Please explain to us why UN, Greece and EU approved it? and Why did the EU representative wanted to get on TV and talk to the GCs? What was it he upset about?
Was not the last minute points put in by UN? was that not the agreement between the parties that anything not agreed would be decided by the UN? You are still in denial. TPapa never had any intention of negotiating and He was glad they were put in. One of these days when you may wake up from your deep slumber.

As to the Turkish interest, there is nothing anybody can do about it. The Turks feel it was theirs and was stolen from them and they will defend their intests. Strange enough they have the power to do it. If UK can claim the Malvinas, you blame Turkey for claiming interests in Cyprus? You are out of your mind?

Turkey can attempt to claim anything she likes. Its the idiots in Cyprus that are helping her that I have a problem with.

[YFred]

No mate Wrong! Cyprus belongs to the Cypriots , not the Greeks , Turks , British or anyone else , its ours the Cypriots.

If only more Cypriots felt as you do.

There is plenty. 65% had a free vote in the north and 35% voted in the south despite intemedation of every kind for peace. Just think what the result would have been if it was a fair vote in the south too.
There is plenty just not very vocal.

What would have happened had the TC's had the balls to say to no to Turkey inserting a last minute wish list that was sure to be rejected by the GC's.

You managed to accomodate every whim the Turkish state had in Cyprus, of which none were of any benefit to TC's or GC's. And then you complain that it got turned down by us. Again and again it will be turned down until you come to your senses and stop trying to step over the GC's at every opportunity.

Please explain to us why UN, Greece and EU approved it? and Why did the EU representative wanted to get on TV and talk to the GCs? What was it he upset about?
Was not the last minute points put in by UN? was that not the agreement between the parties that anything not agreed would be decided by the UN? You are still in denial. TPapa never had any intention of negotiating and He was glad they were put in. One of these days when you may wake up from your deep slumber.

As to the Turkish interest, there is nothing anybody can do about it. The Turks feel it was theirs and was stolen from them and they will defend their intests. Strange enough they have the power to do it. If UK can claim the Malvinas, you blame Turkey for claiming interests in Cyprus? You are out of your mind?

Turkey can attempt to claim anything she likes. Its the idiots in Cyprus that are helping her that I have a problem with.

Then you have one hell of a problem.
You can forget peace or unification and as a present have a million turkallos next door for free. Enjoy.

[DT.]

No mate Wrong! Cyprus belongs to the Cypriots , not the Greeks , Turks , British or anyone else , its ours the Cypriots.

If only more Cypriots felt as you do.

There is plenty. 65% had a free vote in the north and 35% voted in the south despite intemedation of every kind for peace. Just think what the result would have been if it was a fair vote in the south too.
There is plenty just not very vocal.

What would have happened had the TC's had the balls to say to no to Turkey inserting a last minute wish list that was sure to be rejected by the GC's.

You managed to accomodate every whim the Turkish state had in Cyprus, of which none were of any benefit to TC's or GC's. And then you complain that it got turned down by us. Again and again it will be turned down until you come to your senses and stop trying to step over the GC's at every opportunity.

Please explain to us why UN, Greece and EU approved it? and Why did the EU representative wanted to get on TV and talk to the GCs? What was it he upset about?
Was not the last minute points put in by UN? was that not the agreement between the parties that anything not agreed would be decided by the UN? You are still in denial. TPapa never had any intention of negotiating and He was glad they were put in. One of these days when you may wake up from your deep slumber.

As to the Turkish interest, there is nothing anybody can do about it. The Turks feel it was theirs and was stolen from them and they will defend their intests. Strange enough they have the power to do it. If UK can claim the Malvinas, you blame Turkey for claiming interests in Cyprus? You are out of your mind?

Turkey can attempt to claim anything she likes. Its the idiots in Cyprus that are helping her that I have a problem with.

Then you have one hell of a problem.
You can forget peace or unification and as a present have a million turkallos next door for free. Enjoy.

Thats your choice, seeing as your tc brothers are the first to be affected by this bogeyman you're trying to sell, why don't you re-direct your statement to them?

[YFred]

No mate Wrong! Cyprus belongs to the Cypriots , not the Greeks , Turks , British or anyone else , its ours the Cypriots.

If only more Cypriots felt as you do.

There is plenty. 65% had a free vote in the north and 35% voted in the south despite intemedation of every kind for peace. Just think what the result would have been if it was a fair vote in the south too.
There is plenty just not very vocal.

What would have happened had the TC's had the balls to say to no to Turkey inserting a last minute wish list that was sure to be rejected by the GC's.

You managed to accomodate every whim the Turkish state had in Cyprus, of which none were of any benefit to TC's or GC's. And then you complain that it got turned down by us. Again and again it will be turned down until you come to your senses and stop trying to step over the GC's at every opportunity.

Please explain to us why UN, Greece and EU approved it? and Why did the EU representative wanted to get on TV and talk to the GCs? What was it he upset about?
Was not the last minute points put in by UN? was that not the agreement between the parties that anything not agreed would be decided by the UN? You are still in denial. TPapa never had any intention of negotiating and He was glad they were put in. One of these days when you may wake up from your deep slumber.

As to the Turkish interest, there is nothing anybody can do about it. The Turks feel it was theirs and was stolen from them and they will defend their intests. Strange enough they have the power to do it. If UK can claim the Malvinas, you blame Turkey for claiming interests in Cyprus? You are out of your mind?

Turkey can attempt to claim anything she likes. Its the idiots in Cyprus that are helping her that I have a problem with.

Then you have one hell of a problem.
You can forget peace or unification and as a present have a million turkallos next door for free. Enjoy.

Thats your choice, seeing as your tc brothers are the first to be affected by this bogeyman you're trying to sell, why don't you re-direct your statement to them?

Unfortunately the immediate problem is you and not Turkey. Sign the peace agreement and then we can turn our attention on to the next one.
You really ought to know better.