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[YFred]

The following article from the Cyprus Mail makes it seem that at long last that direct trade trade between the EU and the TRNC is looking quite likely.

'THE GOVERNMENT yesterday launched an investigation into how Cyprus was caught unawares by the European Union’s intention to revisit the dormant regulation proposal on direct trade between the EU and the north.

Government spokesman Stefanos Stefanou announced that the cabinet has appointed Agriculture Ministry permanent secretary Egli Pantelaki to look into the affair.

The Cyprus Mail has learned that an informative document was sent out on December 2, 2009, including a general list of pending issues, within which was the direct trade regulation.

This was not officially submitted to member states or flagged as important by the Council as often happens with key documents but simply distributed automatically as a “general policy” document.

On March 1, 2010, the Commission officially used its legal initiative to submit proposals to the EP, including one on direct trade. The Cyprus Representation was not informed of this, either formally or through dialogue with Commission officials.

Stefanou said that according to EU procedures European Commission proposals – like the one concerning direct trade – are also sent to member state’s parliaments, which have eight weeks to forward their views.

“So, the Cypriot Parliament must be briefed on the matter,” Stefanou said in response to criticism by the opposition.

“We are looking into this to see the potential problems in the information procedure,” the spokesman said.

On the direct trade issue per se, Stefanou said the government is doing all it can, through its contacts and relations, to deal with the matter.

Cyprus has long questioned the legal basis of the Commission’s proposal for direct trade. It maintains it has a veto on the matter, arguing that direct trade with the north is not a question of international trade, as it comes under the de jure control of the Republic of Cyprus, as stipulated in Protocol 10 of the Accession Treaty.

The Commission has another view, and if Parliament concurs, then the matter will go to the Council for a vote based on qualified majority voting.'

About bloody time too. Although if this came out six months ago, perhaps it may have helped in the elections, but it seems the TCs are about to give the french two finger salute to the EU and the negotiations.
Muhtar X please take note.

What will change? You have a market of 70 million and still need handouts from Turkey. You will be needing those handouts even after the direct trade regulation is put in place.

What will change?
The thin end of the wedge (ECHR/IPC) will start to get thicker.
Do you hear that sliding noise? It's the rug being ever so gently pulled out from under you.
Watch this space.

It's alright, they are being deliberately dense about it. How can we compete with Turkey when everything there is cheaper. With the EU that's another matter, especially if we get direct flights too.

The trading regulation has nothing to do with direct flights. The IPC scam we have discussed before. The ECHR will acknowledge the fuck up they made very soon. They are making you happy with statements but I'm just wondering. What was exported to the EU up untill now? Jack shit! Nobody knows what the future will bring us.....but 1 thing is for sure. Your so called "trnc" was and will not be recognised by anybody

One step at a time old man. Once the first is accepted, lets see the roc continue with its stand on direct flights.
Like fuck.

[wallace]

The following article from the Cyprus Mail makes it seem that at long last that direct trade trade between the EU and the TRNC is looking quite likely.

'THE GOVERNMENT yesterday launched an investigation into how Cyprus was caught unawares by the European Union’s intention to revisit the dormant regulation proposal on direct trade between the EU and the north.

Government spokesman Stefanos Stefanou announced that the cabinet has appointed Agriculture Ministry permanent secretary Egli Pantelaki to look into the affair.

The Cyprus Mail has learned that an informative document was sent out on December 2, 2009, including a general list of pending issues, within which was the direct trade regulation.

This was not officially submitted to member states or flagged as important by the Council as often happens with key documents but simply distributed automatically as a “general policy” document.

On March 1, 2010, the Commission officially used its legal initiative to submit proposals to the EP, including one on direct trade. The Cyprus Representation was not informed of this, either formally or through dialogue with Commission officials.

Stefanou said that according to EU procedures European Commission proposals – like the one concerning direct trade – are also sent to member state’s parliaments, which have eight weeks to forward their views.

“So, the Cypriot Parliament must be briefed on the matter,” Stefanou said in response to criticism by the opposition.

“We are looking into this to see the potential problems in the information procedure,” the spokesman said.

On the direct trade issue per se, Stefanou said the government is doing all it can, through its contacts and relations, to deal with the matter.

Cyprus has long questioned the legal basis of the Commission’s proposal for direct trade. It maintains it has a veto on the matter, arguing that direct trade with the north is not a question of international trade, as it comes under the de jure control of the Republic of Cyprus, as stipulated in Protocol 10 of the Accession Treaty.

The Commission has another view, and if Parliament concurs, then the matter will go to the Council for a vote based on qualified majority voting.'

About bloody time too. Although if this came out six months ago, perhaps it may have helped in the elections, but it seems the TCs are about to give the french two finger salute to the EU and the negotiations.
Muhtar X please take note.

What will change? You have a market of 70 million and still need handouts from Turkey. You will be needing those handouts even after the direct trade regulation is put in place.

What will change?
The thin end of the wedge (ECHR/IPC) will start to get thicker.
Do you hear that sliding noise? It's the rug being ever so gently pulled out from under you.
Watch this space.

It's alright, they are being deliberately dense about it. How can we compete with Turkey when everything there is cheaper. With the EU that's another matter, especially if we get direct flights too.

The trading regulation has nothing to do with direct flights. The IPC scam we have discussed before. The ECHR will acknowledge the fuck up they made very soon. They are making you happy with statements but I'm just wondering. What was exported to the EU up untill now? Jack shit! Nobody knows what the future will bring us.....but 1 thing is for sure. Your so called "trnc" was and will not be recognised by anybody

One step at a time old man. Once the first is accepted, lets see the roc continue with its stand on direct flights.
Like fuck.

Here you go....the first hasn't been accepted yet and is not likely to be accepted either and you all are drewling all over the place. The direct flights....well that's a sure thing which will not happen. They tried just a month ago from Amsterdam and failed.

[Gasman]

Quite a few flights from Stansted have flown direct to Ercan without landing in Turkey.

Sometimes, apparently, the Captain announces 'bad weather' over Turkey. I've met people who flew direct on night flight from Stansted and they told me they were asking all the passengers at Stansted if anyone was going to Turkey.

[B25]

Quite a few flights from Stansted have flown direct to Ercan without landing in Turkey.

Sometimes, apparently, the Captain announces 'bad weather' over Turkey. I've met people who flew direct on night flight from Stansted and they told me they were asking all the passengers at Stansted if anyone was going to Turkey.

Gasman, illegalities happen all the time, it doesn't make them right.

Turkey is in constant violation of every rule in the book, so I am not surprised direct flights take place under the cover of darkness. How else to crooks operate.

the key is to havd OFFICIALLY RECOGNISED flights and this is only something the Turks can wet dream about.

Cheers

[vaughanwilliams]

Quite a few flights from Stansted have flown direct to Ercan without landing in Turkey.

Sometimes, apparently, the Captain announces 'bad weather' over Turkey. I've met people who flew direct on night flight from Stansted and they told me they were asking all the passengers at Stansted if anyone was going to Turkey.

Gasman,

I have been on such flights more than once. They actually announce over the Stansted Tannoy that they are trying to fill a plane with Ercan passengers.
The CAA knows this is going on and so does everybody else. Do they stop it or even try to?
B25 will try to tell you this happens "under the cover of darkness", as if there is a risk of consequences. I can tell him and you that it happens in broad daylight without any pretence. Do you really think that post-9/11 planes can just take off and go where they want without permission?
These planes take off with a filed flight plan which is ripped-up once in the air.
It's funny how only CTA planes experience this bad weather.

[Tony-4497]

According to many articles, the RoC leadership knew about this and possibly supported it.. same with the ECHR/ IPC issue.. probably direct flights next.

Apparently all being part of convincing GCs that there is no other way than to accept an Annan-like plan (aka "cementing the Yes")

[miltiades]

The following article from the Cyprus Mail makes it seem that at long last that direct trade trade between the EU and the TRNC is looking quite likely.

'THE GOVERNMENT yesterday launched an investigation into how Cyprus was caught unawares by the European Union’s intention to revisit the dormant regulation proposal on direct trade between the EU and the north.

Government spokesman Stefanos Stefanou announced that the cabinet has appointed Agriculture Ministry permanent secretary Egli Pantelaki to look into the affair.

The Cyprus Mail has learned that an informative document was sent out on December 2, 2009, including a general list of pending issues, within which was the direct trade regulation.

This was not officially submitted to member states or flagged as important by the Council as often happens with key documents but simply distributed automatically as a “general policy” document.

On March 1, 2010, the Commission officially used its legal initiative to submit proposals to the EP, including one on direct trade. The Cyprus Representation was not informed of this, either formally or through dialogue with Commission officials.

Stefanou said that according to EU procedures European Commission proposals – like the one concerning direct trade – are also sent to member state’s parliaments, which have eight weeks to forward their views.

“So, the Cypriot Parliament must be briefed on the matter,” Stefanou said in response to criticism by the opposition.

“We are looking into this to see the potential problems in the information procedure,” the spokesman said.

On the direct trade issue per se, Stefanou said the government is doing all it can, through its contacts and relations, to deal with the matter.

Cyprus has long questioned the legal basis of the Commission’s proposal for direct trade. It maintains it has a veto on the matter, arguing that direct trade with the north is not a question of international trade, as it comes under the de jure control of the Republic of Cyprus, as stipulated in Protocol 10 of the Accession Treaty.

The Commission has another view, and if Parliament concurs, then the matter will go to the Council for a vote based on qualified majority voting.'

The above is the EU's way to make Turkey take responsibility for her actions and nothing else. I'm sure Turkey is not very happy with the above decision, if the direct trade is initiated between the EU and the north. As for the TCs and the "trnc", they have even more to lose.

First of all, The RoC is making a lot of noise for nothing, other than trying to make believe that they are not happy with the EU over this decision. I'm sure the RoC is grinning with joy from ear to ear and that they are very happy with what is about to happen. The RoC has very little to worry about. If the 70 million Turkish market has not helped the TCs in the north for the past 36 years, why would any additional market. The question is, what does the north have that the EU wants.?? Answer that question and you will understand why this whole thing is nothing but a roost to get Turkey to take a stand in recognizing the RoC, to allow her access to Turkey's air and sea ports. Turkey has been using that excuse for the past few years now, that if the EU traded with the north, they will open the ports to the RoC, knowing full well, that if the RoC wanted, they could prevent it, Lisbon treaty or no Lisbon treaty. So now, the ball has been put squarely in Turkey's corner, that if Turkey opens her ports to the RoC, there will be direct trade with the north and the EU, since the north is the extension of the RoC and a EU member. If Turkey says NO to open her ports to the RoC, then there won't be any direct trade. However, the EU will push Turkey by saying to her, "we are giving you what you have asked for, now open those ports".!

But it does not just end there. Once Turkey formally recognises the RoC in order for the north to gain direct trade with the EU, she will become an official foreign occupier on the territory of the RoC. FULL STOP. The "trnc" will become even more isolated once Turkey recognises the RoC. Turkey can't recognise the RoC and the "trnc" at the same time. The "trnc" will lose their ONLY recognition, which has been Turkey. This so called "direct trade" in the end will benefit the RoC far more than it will benefit Turkey or the "trnc". In fact, it will be the beginning of the end for the "trnc".......officially.! It never did have a chance to begin with since it's inception. The EU , I believe is going to conduct an covert operation such as using the "direct trade" issue to officially disconnect Turkey from the "trnc", and the first step will be the formal recognition of the RoC by opening her ports to her, no matter how many times Turkey says "we do not recognise the RoC, but only trade with her, much like we do with Taiwan"...I say to Turkey, "Good Luck in trying to get away with that lame excuse".!

I think Mr. T once again has not seen the underlying message of what the above means, other than what he thinks he has seen on the surface. A classic YFred mistake, often also made by Mr. T..!

Kikapu that is a brilliant assessment of developments , you have done your homework !

[YFred]

According to many articles, the RoC leadership knew about this and possibly supported it.. same with the ECHR/ IPC issue.. probably direct flights next.

Apparently all being part of convincing GCs that there is no other way than to accept an Annan-like plan (aka "cementing the Yes")

It is pointless to do one without the other. The whole point of this exercise is to improve the economy of the north without which there is no chance of unification even if we wanted. I think the Europeans have suddenly woken up to realities in the ground.

[Tony-4497]

Turkey/ TCs and Europeans have their own interests.

As an RoC citizen, my interest is the protection of the RoC.

If it is proven that RoC officers willfully contributed to these developments (Direct trade regulation, ECHR issue etc) that clearly undermine the sovereignty and legitimate interests of the RoC, then I would expect those people to go to court for their actions and ommissions.

[YFred]

Turkey/ TCs and Europeans have their own interests.

As an RoC citizen, my interest is the protection of the RoC.

If it is proven that RoC officers willfully contributed to these developments (Direct trade regulation, ECHR issue etc) that clearly undermine the sovereignty and legitimate interests of the RoC, then I would expect those people to go to court for their actions and ommissions.

Even though the roc is behaving like a suffocating mother to her offspring? In normal circumstances wouldn't the social services storm in and take the offspring away to safer environment.