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Postby Beer Belly » Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:40 pm

Oracle wrote:
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CBBB wrote:
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Tim Drayton wrote:
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Svetlana wrote:We do not want any of your remnants of Colonial Rule in Pafos, so we are pleased to be excluded from the network :-)

In any case the taxi drivers would have blown up the lines if they came here!


The taxi drivers need to get their cosy little monopoly broken up by force. Is there still no bus service to and from the airport? If not, why not?


There is now.


Nice one. Does that apply to Larnaca as well? And how come this situation went on for so long, any ideas?


Too many stupid Brits will to pay the taxis!


You're probably right. But that leaves the sensible foreigners to think they've arrived on an island of legalised robbery. Doesn't leave a good impression with tourists and we all need them. The first time I came across this scandal I went to a taxi driver at the back of the rank and gave him six quid to take me to town. The going rate was about 15-20.


Well said :lol: The stupid Brits are now voting with their feet, what a shame for the rip off merchants, they can only go to cabaret once a week now. Their wives and girlfriends do not know what is happening as they come home so often. :lol: :lol:


Yes, they have voted with their feet! :D

From today's Google-news:

An increase in holidaymakers from Britain and Germany helped Cyprus tourist arrivals grow by 14.8 percent in March from a year earlier -

Arrivals were 103,803 against 90,434 in March 2009.

For the first quarter ending in March the number of arrivals rose by 5.6 percent from 194,127 last year to 205,0
06.


'Lies, damn lies and statistics'

Go back over the last ten years and come up with the real figures. This place is in the shit and you know it. Come up with the same figures for Turkey and Egypt in the same period if you want, I do not think you will like the results.

Wake up and smell the coffee.
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Postby CBBB » Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:19 pm

Beer Belly wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Beer Belly wrote:
EricSeans wrote:
CBBB wrote:
EricSeans wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
EricSeans wrote:
Svetlana wrote:We do not want any of your remnants of Colonial Rule in Pafos, so we are pleased to be excluded from the network :-)

In any case the taxi drivers would have blown up the lines if they came here!


The taxi drivers need to get their cosy little monopoly broken up by force. Is there still no bus service to and from the airport? If not, why not?


There is now.


Nice one. Does that apply to Larnaca as well? And how come this situation went on for so long, any ideas?


Too many stupid Brits will to pay the taxis!


You're probably right. But that leaves the sensible foreigners to think they've arrived on an island of legalised robbery. Doesn't leave a good impression with tourists and we all need them. The first time I came across this scandal I went to a taxi driver at the back of the rank and gave him six quid to take me to town. The going rate was about 15-20.


Well said :lol: The stupid Brits are now voting with their feet, what a shame for the rip off merchants, they can only go to cabaret once a week now. Their wives and girlfriends do not know what is happening as they come home so often. :lol: :lol:


Yes, they have voted with their feet! :D

From today's Google-news:

An increase in holidaymakers from Britain and Germany helped Cyprus tourist arrivals grow by 14.8 percent in March from a year earlier -

Arrivals were 103,803 against 90,434 in March 2009.

For the first quarter ending in March the number of arrivals rose by 5.6 percent from 194,127 last year to 205,0
06.


'Lies, damn lies and statistics'

Go back over the last ten years and come up with the real figures. This place is in the shit and you know it. Come up with the same figures for Turkey and Egypt in the same period if you want, I do not think you will like the results.

Wake up and smell the coffee.


Your many years of living in Cyprus mean that you are the font of all knowledge for our country?

More likely you have been here 5 minutes and realised that you are unable to fit in with the local culture so vent you spleen on everything Cypriot.
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Postby Beer Belly » Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:28 pm

Railway systems throughout the world carry millions of people and goods each day into large citys and towns. They are a very efficient way of keeping general traffic off of public roads.

1. Trains in Cyprus would never run on time, as the driver would be just having a coffee break rather than driving the train.

2. There would not be enough people using trains to make them economic.

3. The dual carriageways that run into the towns at the moment appear to be sufficient to cope with current traffic flows.

4. Locals would want to park their cars as near to the track as possible to avoid walking more than five metres to step on the train, thus causing chaos upon the platform.

A train system will therefore not work very well in Cyprus.

I did this study for 10% less than the budget .... where do I pick up the rest of the cash?

Anyone fancy a drink? I have just earned 270,000 Euros for coming up with the obvious. :D :D
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:34 pm

Beer Belly wrote:1. Trains in Cyprus would never run on time, as the driver would be just having a coffee break rather than driving the train.

Modern train systems don’t need a driver. It’s all processor driven from a control center.
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Postby CBBB » Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:36 pm

Beer Belly wrote:Railway systems throughout the world carry millions of people and goods each day into large citys and towns. They are a very efficient way of keeping general traffic off of public roads.

1. Trains in Cyprus would never run on time, as the driver would be just having a coffee break rather than driving the train.

2. There would not be enough people using trains to make them economic.

3. The dual carriageways that run into the towns at the moment appear to be sufficient to cope with current traffic flows.

4. Locals would want to park their cars as near to the track as possible to avoid walking more than five metres to step on the train, thus causing chaos upon the platform.

A train system will therefore not work very well in Cyprus.

I did this study for 10% less than the budget .... where do I pick up the rest of the cash?

Anyone fancy a drink? I have just earned 270,000 Euros for coming up with the obvious. :D :D


The main reason trains would not work in Cyprus is the very spread out small population.

In the UK trains work very well within and between the large conurbations.

In Cyprus the main towns have smaller populations than some London suburbs, so it doesn't make sense.
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:38 pm

Having a modern electric system running in the middle of the Nicosia > Limassol > Paphos freeway may not be such a bad idea as you wouldn’t have to worry about expropriating people’s land to lay the tracks, but the placement of stations would be a nightmare.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:42 pm

CBBB wrote:
Beer Belly wrote:Railway systems throughout the world carry millions of people and goods each day into large citys and towns. They are a very efficient way of keeping general traffic off of public roads.

1. Trains in Cyprus would never run on time, as the driver would be just having a coffee break rather than driving the train.

2. There would not be enough people using trains to make them economic.

3. The dual carriageways that run into the towns at the moment appear to be sufficient to cope with current traffic flows.

4. Locals would want to park their cars as near to the track as possible to avoid walking more than five metres to step on the train, thus causing chaos upon the platform.

A train system will therefore not work very well in Cyprus.

I did this study for 10% less than the budget .... where do I pick up the rest of the cash?

Anyone fancy a drink? I have just earned 270,000 Euros for coming up with the obvious. :D :D


The main reason trains would not work in Cyprus is the very spread out small population.

In the UK trains work very well within and between the large conurbations.

In Cyprus the main towns have smaller populations than some London suburbs, so it doesn't make sense.


I think we are talking more about something like a tram running on its own dedicated tracks rather than in the street. In Germany they have something similar between Dusseldorf and Duisburg. This is a very different 'animal' from a full-guage railway and such a system could well be viable.
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Postby B25 » Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:44 pm

Cyprus needs an intergrated transport system.

Trains are part of that. They should also have a train shuttle between Larnaca / Paphos airports to the main towns of their respective locations as well. Infact i think that there should be a shuttle between Larnaca airport and the Protaras areas.
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Postby cyprusgrump » Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:49 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
CBBB wrote:
Beer Belly wrote:Railway systems throughout the world carry millions of people and goods each day into large citys and towns. They are a very efficient way of keeping general traffic off of public roads.

1. Trains in Cyprus would never run on time, as the driver would be just having a coffee break rather than driving the train.

2. There would not be enough people using trains to make them economic.

3. The dual carriageways that run into the towns at the moment appear to be sufficient to cope with current traffic flows.

4. Locals would want to park their cars as near to the track as possible to avoid walking more than five metres to step on the train, thus causing chaos upon the platform.

A train system will therefore not work very well in Cyprus.

I did this study for 10% less than the budget .... where do I pick up the rest of the cash?

Anyone fancy a drink? I have just earned 270,000 Euros for coming up with the obvious. :D :D


The main reason trains would not work in Cyprus is the very spread out small population.

In the UK trains work very well within and between the large conurbations.

In Cyprus the main towns have smaller populations than some London suburbs, so it doesn't make sense.


I think we are talking more about something like a tram running on its own dedicated tracks rather than in the street. In Germany they have something similar between Dusseldorf and Duisburg. This is a very different 'animal' from a full-guage railway and such a system could well be viable.


If it is EU driven it will be a disaster...

The very fact that half the island will be excluded from the survey shows how ill thought out is it from the start...

Would I really drive from here (Pissouri) to Limassol to get on a 'tram' to Nicosia...? You'd just stay in the car...

Remember how tram lines were dug up in the UK (I remember many of them still being in the middle of the road when I was a kid) to be replaced by more flexible bus services...?

Exploit the (excellent) motorway network in Cyprus fist and provide a public transport system by buying a few coaches... Coach stations in Pafos (okay, and Polis), Limsaaol, Larnaca and Nicosia with mini-buses covering outlying villages and integrated with the main services...

There, I've just saved us all €300,000
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Postby cyprusgrump » Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:50 pm

B25 wrote:Cyprus needs an intergrated transport system.

Trains are part of that. They should also have a train shuttle between Larnaca / Paphos airports to the main towns of their respective locations as well. Infact i think that there should be a shuttle between Larnaca airport and the Protaras areas.


Why do you have to lay down miles of steel tracks when there is an excellent motorway network covering those routes already...?
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