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[YFred]

I was expecting at least one to say "Denktash kept us locked and isolated for 30 whole years".....

Are you kidding Pyrpolizer?

No TC dares to speak bad about Denktas... CF is closely monitored by TMT & Denktas Co. Ltd... any TC mouthing off against them would disappear tonight... never to be seen again!

Seriously now the truth is the TCs to their vast majority have been trained to keep silent for whatever might, just might harm their "cause". They differ radically from the GCs in this respect. Do you for example know that it is a GC newspaper that published the Akritas Plan?

No go read Birkibrisli's life story ( I still have the highest respect for Bir no matter what others say in here) you will see that his father died without reavealing even to his own son ANY of the secrets of TMT, without ANSWERING him questions that were a matter of life or death for Birs own life as a child. The man R.I.P was forced to exile in Australia thousands of miles from here, what could he possibly be afraid of???

I don't know what crap you have been fed but I lived there till 72 and I don't know any TC who suffered locally from TMT. Except Kavazoglu who was killed on Lurucina soil.

How would you know, you were just a Yfredaki then playing dolls, balls, whatever... Secondly you haven't read carefully what I said, thirdly you have no clue about what Bir wrote for his childhood.(At times when Bir dared to be an exception to the rule)

You just spout lies,hearsay stories, exaggerations as per TC training line No2

Give Yfredoulli a break, he is bound by TMT to keep quite... yeah he lies a lot but makes me laugh at the same time, reading his BS...

I am giving you an eye witness information. My age has nothing to do with it. When the bullets were being fired from the church hitting the ground all around us you should have been there. You really cunt mistake them cuntfeatures. It was not a bunch of roses they were firing at us.
Lies? I was there. If your intention is to silence me, it aint working. In fact it makes me more determined to let the younger generation know about it so they don't fall into enclaves ever again.

Yfred, it is a bit difficult to explain what happened to those who werent around/hadnt been born or simply brainwashed. Dont get upset too much, though there are a few honest GCs around who do know the truth and tell and still some who fear to tell it because the fear of being labelled a traitor. I for one know and tell the truth and I fear no one. If I die telling the truth - so be it.

Same here Deniz. If I sound as though I am upset, I am not. I will never forget the faces of the refugees as they arrived. It was not TMT they fearing. One family was allocated next door to us, when she heard that they were firing at us from the church, she started screaming and refused to move in. Some of our GCs cousins are oblivious to what we suffered, but that is their loss not ours. We kept our humanity throughout.

[Pyrpolizer]

Yfred, it is a bit difficult to explain what happened to those who werent around/hadnt been born or simply brainwashed. Dont get upset too much, though there are a few honest GCs around who do know the truth and tell and still some who fear to tell it because the fear of being labelled a traitor. I for one know and tell the truth and I fear no one. If I die telling the truth - so be it.

Let me ask you a question Deniz. I think i can trust you to give me an honest answer.
Is it true that a lot of TCs (if not the majority of them) have the habit /or have been trained through imitation, of repeating hearsay stories of the past and present them as if they are personal experiences?

[YFred]

Yfred, it is a bit difficult to explain what happened to those who werent around/hadnt been born or simply brainwashed. Dont get upset too much, though there are a few honest GCs around who do know the truth and tell and still some who fear to tell it because the fear of being labelled a traitor. I for one know and tell the truth and I fear no one. If I die telling the truth - so be it.

Let me ask you a question Deniz. I think i can trust you to give me an honest answer.
Is it true that a lot of TCs (if not the majority of them) have the habit /or have been trained through imitation, of repeating hearsay stories of the past and present them as if they are personal experiences?

That is a personal insult. You can't live in denial all your life. Open you mind and remove your shackles of your mind and you may be able to get to the truth. ROC has been telling you loads of crap for years. See through it. You may actually be a better person in the long run.

[Pyrpolizer]

Yfred, it is a bit difficult to explain what happened to those who werent around/hadnt been born or simply brainwashed. Dont get upset too much, though there are a few honest GCs around who do know the truth and tell and still some who fear to tell it because the fear of being labelled a traitor. I for one know and tell the truth and I fear no one. If I die telling the truth - so be it.

Let me ask you a question Deniz. I think i can trust you to give me an honest answer.
Is it true that a lot of TCs (if not the majority of them) have the habit /or have been trained through imitation, of repeating hearsay stories of the past and present them as if they are personal experiences?

That is a personal insult. You can't live in denial all your life. Open you mind and remove your shackles of your mind and you may be able to get to the truth. ROC has been telling you loads of crap for years. See through it. You may actually be a better person in the long run.

First of all where did you see your name mentioned to feel personally insulted??
Secondly why don't you just give us a complete account with DATES, including also the activities of your own people during those DATES so that we get a complete picture and judge ourselves?
So far the only thing we know about you is that in 1972(?) there were bullets flying against you from the church of Stavros. What else, tell us more.

For your information there were bullets and bombs flying and exploding around lots of GC people as well, in fact multiple times more than TCs. Don't you find it a bit strange that IT IS ONLY TCs who repeat it over and over again?

[YFred]

Yfred, it is a bit difficult to explain what happened to those who werent around/hadnt been born or simply brainwashed. Dont get upset too much, though there are a few honest GCs around who do know the truth and tell and still some who fear to tell it because the fear of being labelled a traitor. I for one know and tell the truth and I fear no one. If I die telling the truth - so be it.

Let me ask you a question Deniz. I think i can trust you to give me an honest answer.
Is it true that a lot of TCs (if not the majority of them) have the habit /or have been trained through imitation, of repeating hearsay stories of the past and present them as if they are personal experiences?

That is a personal insult. You can't live in denial all your life. Open you mind and remove your shackles of your mind and you may be able to get to the truth. ROC has been telling you loads of crap for years. See through it. You may actually be a better person in the long run.

First of all where did you see your name mentioned to feel personally insulted??
Secondly why don't you just give us a complete account with DATES, including also the activities of your own people during those DATES so that we get a complete picture and judge ourselves?
So far the only thing we know about you is that in 1972(?) there were bullets flying against you from the church of Stavros. What else, tell us more.

For your information there were bullets and bombs flying and exploding around lots of GC people as well, in fact multiple times more than TCs. Don't you find it a bit strange that IT IS ONLY TCs who repeat it over and over again?

What? where did I say that there were bullets being fired in 1972. You really need to pay a little more attention to the posts old chap, what?

[denizaksulu]

Yfred, it is a bit difficult to explain what happened to those who werent around/hadnt been born or simply brainwashed. Dont get upset too much, though there are a few honest GCs around who do know the truth and tell and still some who fear to tell it because the fear of being labelled a traitor. I for one know and tell the truth and I fear no one. If I die telling the truth - so be it.

Let me ask you a question Deniz. I think i can trust you to give me an honest answer.
Is it true that a lot of TCs (if not the majority of them) have the habit /or have been trained through imitation, of repeating hearsay stories of the past and present them as if they are personal experiences?

Hi my friend. An honest answer is I can only talk for myself. There is no way I can vouch for others' personal experience though there are a few I can trust. I trust Bir, Kiks (I know of his experience - I was there), I trust Yfred too, but his 'sense of humour' clouds his statements and confuses people. Nevertheless, some people are prone to exagerate, I have no doubt of that.

On more than one occasions GCs took pot shots at me early in 1964 from Ledra Palace hotel. Bored armed men are prone to do that, so I have no doubt this also happened around Lurucina or any other village. I worked for the SYS and saw the dead come in on a daily basis by UN helicopters near Kyrenia gate/Nicosia. I dont think they commited suicide. Doubtless, TCs have also taken pot shots too.

[YFred]

Yfred, it is a bit difficult to explain what happened to those who werent around/hadnt been born or simply brainwashed. Dont get upset too much, though there are a few honest GCs around who do know the truth and tell and still some who fear to tell it because the fear of being labelled a traitor. I for one know and tell the truth and I fear no one. If I die telling the truth - so be it.

Let me ask you a question Deniz. I think i can trust you to give me an honest answer.
Is it true that a lot of TCs (if not the majority of them) have the habit /or have been trained through imitation, of repeating hearsay stories of the past and present them as if they are personal experiences?

Hi my friend. An honest answer is I can only talk for myself. There is no way I can vouch for others' personal experience though there are a few I can trust. I trust Bir, Kiks (I know of his experience - I was there), I trust Yfred too, but his 'sense of humour' clouds his statements and confuses people. Nevertheless, some people are prone to exagerate, I have no doubt of that.

On more than one occasions GCs took pot shots at me early in 1964 from Ledra Palace hotel. Bored armed men are prone to do that, so I have no doubt this also happened around Lurucina or any other village. I worked for the SYS and saw the dead come in on a daily basis by UN helicopters near Kyrenia gate/Nicosia. I dont think they commited suicide. Doubtless, TCs have also taken pot shots too.

All Pyro has to do is ask anybody in Limbya. Did they take pot shots at people in Lurucina in 63/64 or 67 from the church on the stavros hill. It really is not rocket science, is it?
Perhaps the fact that Lurucadis attacked and took the church in 74 may also give him a clue.

Now Pyro, what's 1+1 again?

[Pyrpolizer]

Yfred, it is a bit difficult to explain what happened to those who werent around/hadnt been born or simply brainwashed. Dont get upset too much, though there are a few honest GCs around who do know the truth and tell and still some who fear to tell it because the fear of being labelled a traitor. I for one know and tell the truth and I fear no one. If I die telling the truth - so be it.

Let me ask you a question Deniz. I think i can trust you to give me an honest answer.
Is it true that a lot of TCs (if not the majority of them) have the habit /or have been trained through imitation, of repeating hearsay stories of the past and present them as if they are personal experiences?

Hi my friend. An honest answer is I can only talk for myself. There is no way I can vouch for others' personal experience though there are a few I can trust. I trust Bir, Kiks (I know of his experience - I was there), I trust Yfred too, but his 'sense of humour' clouds his statements and confuses people. Nevertheless, some people are prone to exagerate, I have no doubt of that.

On more than one occasions GCs took pot shots at me early in 1964 from Ledra Palace hotel. Bored armed men are prone to do that, so I have no doubt this also happened around Lurucina or any other village. I worked for the SYS and saw the dead come in on a daily basis by UN helicopters near Kyrenia gate/Nicosia. I dont think they commited suicide. Doubtless, TCs have also taken pot shots too.

Thanks Deniz

[YFred]

Yfred, it is a bit difficult to explain what happened to those who werent around/hadnt been born or simply brainwashed. Dont get upset too much, though there are a few honest GCs around who do know the truth and tell and still some who fear to tell it because the fear of being labelled a traitor. I for one know and tell the truth and I fear no one. If I die telling the truth - so be it.

Let me ask you a question Deniz. I think i can trust you to give me an honest answer.
Is it true that a lot of TCs (if not the majority of them) have the habit /or have been trained through imitation, of repeating hearsay stories of the past and present them as if they are personal experiences?

Hi my friend. An honest answer is I can only talk for myself. There is no way I can vouch for others' personal experience though there are a few I can trust. I trust Bir, Kiks (I know of his experience - I was there), I trust Yfred too, but his 'sense of humour' clouds his statements and confuses people. Nevertheless, some people are prone to exagerate, I have no doubt of that.

On more than one occasions GCs took pot shots at me early in 1964 from Ledra Palace hotel. Bored armed men are prone to do that, so I have no doubt this also happened around Lurucina or any other village. I worked for the SYS and saw the dead come in on a daily basis by UN helicopters near Kyrenia gate/Nicosia. I dont think they commited suicide. Doubtless, TCs have also taken pot shots too.

Thanks Deniz

Surely you meant to say Tanks. That's what was parked outside Goshi in 74.

[denizaksulu]

Yfred, it is a bit difficult to explain what happened to those who werent around/hadnt been born or simply brainwashed. Dont get upset too much, though there are a few honest GCs around who do know the truth and tell and still some who fear to tell it because the fear of being labelled a traitor. I for one know and tell the truth and I fear no one. If I die telling the truth - so be it.

Let me ask you a question Deniz. I think i can trust you to give me an honest answer.
Is it true that a lot of TCs (if not the majority of them) have the habit /or have been trained through imitation, of repeating hearsay stories of the past and present them as if they are personal experiences?

Hi my friend. An honest answer is I can only talk for myself. There is no way I can vouch for others' personal experience though there are a few I can trust. I trust Bir, Kiks (I know of his experience - I was there), I trust Yfred too, but his 'sense of humour' clouds his statements and confuses people. Nevertheless, some people are prone to exagerate, I have no doubt of that.

On more than one occasions GCs took pot shots at me early in 1964 from Ledra Palace hotel. Bored armed men are prone to do that, so I have no doubt this also happened around Lurucina or any other village. I worked for the SYS and saw the dead come in on a daily basis by UN helicopters near Kyrenia gate/Nicosia. I dont think they commited suicide. Doubtless, TCs have also taken pot shots too.

Thanks Deniz

Surely you meant to say Tanks. That's what was parked outside Goshi in 74.

I wasnt there Yfred. Did the tanks fire shots. If they did, they still took pot-shots with tank fire. My apologies.