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[georgios100]

I was expecting at least one to say "Denktash kept us locked and isolated for 30 whole years".....

Are you kidding Pyrpolizer?

No TC dares to speak bad about Denktas... CF is closely monitored by TMT & Denktas Co. Ltd... any TC mouthing off against them would disappear tonight... never to be seen again!

Seriously now the truth is the TCs to their vast majority have been trained to keep silent for whatever might, just might harm their "cause". They differ radically from the GCs in this respect. Do you for example know that it is a GC newspaper that published the Akritas Plan?

No go read Birkibrisli's life story ( I still have the highest respect for Bir no matter what others say in here) you will see that his father died without reavealing even to his own son ANY of the secrets of TMT, without ANSWERING him questions that were a matter of life or death for Birs own life as a child. The man R.I.P was forced to exile in Australia thousands of miles from here, what could he possibly be afraid of???

I don't know what crap you have been fed but I lived there till 72 and I don't know any TC who suffered locally from TMT. Except Kavazoglu who was killed on Lurucina soil.

How would you know, you were just a Yfredaki then playing dolls, balls, whatever... Secondly you haven't read carefully what I said, thirdly you have no clue about what Bir wrote for his childhood.(At times when Bir dared to be an exception to the rule)

You just spout lies,hearsay stories, exaggerations as per TC training line No2

Give Yfredoulli a break, he is bound by TMT to keep quite... yeah he lies a lot but makes me laugh at the same time, reading his BS...

[BirKibrisli]

I think it is a mistake to think of these "historical" figures in black and white terms...As they say,'one person's terrorist is another's freedom fighter'...I want to correct some misconceptions about the TMT...Firstly,the TMT was not founded to advance the cause of Taksim...Yes,they did embrace that later on but it was found to protect the TC community from what they thought was the inevitable widespread attacks from EOKA or other GC paramilitaries...Secondly,the TMT's sway over the average TC is largely exaggerated...Most TCs hero-worshipped the TMT and its commanders,very much like how most GCs hero-worship the EOKA today... And yes, the TMT did turn on those TCs it considered as traitors to the cause,and they did murder those they could not bring to their knees...The average TC would have considered these murders as "necessary evils",and keep on suppporting the TMT for it was their only protection (so the believed) against "greater" evil...I don't believe there is anybody alive today who can prove that Denktas did anything "wrong" personally,as founder of the TMT...Let's not forget that the operational command of the TMT was handed over to Turkish Army officers pretty much from the beginning...The other thing to remember is this: Not everyone who joined the TMT were of good and noble character motivated to serve his community...Some were plain and simple thugs who were in it for personal gain,and who were used by those higher up to do the "dirty" work for them...Those who suffered most from TMT's excessess (after those murdered by the TMT that is) were the good souls who joined the TMT to help protect their community,but couldn't stomach certain TMT practices...Most of them went into voluntary exile in countries like England and Australia,faithfully keeping their oaths of silence,and lived very unhappy and unfulfilled lives,and died very bitter persons...

[Pyrpolizer]

I think it is a mistake to think of these "historical" figures in black and white terms...As they say,'one person's terrorist is another's freedom fighter'...I want to correct some misconceptions about the TMT...Firstly,the TMT was not founded to advance the cause of Taksim...Yes,they did embrace that later on but it was found to protect the TC community from what they thought was the inevitable widespread attacks from EOKA or other GC paramilitaries...Secondly,the TMT's sway over the average TC is largely exaggerated...Most TCs hero-worshipped the TMT and its commanders,very much like how most GCs hero-worship the EOKA today... And yes, the TMT did turn on those TCs it considered as traitors to the cause,and they did murder those they could not bring to their knees...The average TC would have considered these murders as "necessary evils",and keep on suppporting the TMT for it was their only protection (so the believed) against "greater" evil...I don't believe there is anybody alive today who can prove that Denktas did anything "wrong" personally,as founder of the TMT...Let's not forget that the operational command of the TMT was handed over to Turkish Army officers pretty much from the beginning...The other thing to remember is this: Not everyone who joined the TMT were of good and noble character motivated to serve his community...Some were plain and simple thugs who were in it for personal gain,and who were used by those higher up to do the "dirty" work for them...Those who suffered most from TMT's excessess (after those murdered by the TMT that is) were the good souls who joined the TMT to help protect their community,but couldn't stomach certain TMT practices...Most of them went into voluntary exile in countries like England and Australia,faithfully keeping their oaths of silence,and lived very unhappy and unfulfilled lives,and died very bitter persons...

Very well explained Dear Bir.

However don't forget that nobody can prove the same for Papadopoulos either. Yet the "dirty smell" is all over the air surrounding both of them.

Let's admit we suffered from lunatics who put their "cause" even on top of the lives of their own people. The "cause" is what always turned people into animals, and that "cause" could of have been religion, ethnicity, Arian race during the Nazis, oil today, whatever you can imagine/.

[runaway]

Denktaş is KKTC's first president.

Hey Runaway,

What's the punishment like in Istanbul, when two men are caught taking showers together?

We'll see when Hrisostomos (or whatever his name is) meets Bartholomeos. By the way why are letting that south cypriot priest enter our land???

[DT.]

Denktaş is KKTC's first president.

Hey Runaway,

What's the punishment like in Istanbul, when two men are caught taking showers together?

We'll see when Hrisostomos (or whatever his name is) meets Bartholomeos. By the way why are letting that south cypriot priest enter our land???

Because he could buy and sell you 100 times over you little peasant

[denizaksulu]

Denktaş is KKTC's first president.

Hey Runaway,

What's the punishment like in Istanbul, when two men are caught taking showers together?

We'll see when Hrisostomos (or whatever his name is) meets Bartholomeos. By the way why are letting that south cypriot priest enter our land???

Because he could buy and sell you 100 times over you little peasant

He will be satisfied with a fridge - he's not fussy.

[umit07]

He will be satisfied with a fridge - he's not fussy.

It doesn't even have to be a "No Frost"

[denizaksulu]

He will be satisfied with a fridge - he's not fussy.

It doesn't even have to be a "No Frost"

[YFred]

I was expecting at least one to say "Denktash kept us locked and isolated for 30 whole years".....

Are you kidding Pyrpolizer?

No TC dares to speak bad about Denktas... CF is closely monitored by TMT & Denktas Co. Ltd... any TC mouthing off against them would disappear tonight... never to be seen again!

Seriously now the truth is the TCs to their vast majority have been trained to keep silent for whatever might, just might harm their "cause". They differ radically from the GCs in this respect. Do you for example know that it is a GC newspaper that published the Akritas Plan?

No go read Birkibrisli's life story ( I still have the highest respect for Bir no matter what others say in here) you will see that his father died without reavealing even to his own son ANY of the secrets of TMT, without ANSWERING him questions that were a matter of life or death for Birs own life as a child. The man R.I.P was forced to exile in Australia thousands of miles from here, what could he possibly be afraid of???

I don't know what crap you have been fed but I lived there till 72 and I don't know any TC who suffered locally from TMT. Except Kavazoglu who was killed on Lurucina soil.

How would you know, you were just a Yfredaki then playing dolls, balls, whatever... Secondly you haven't read carefully what I said, thirdly you have no clue about what Bir wrote for his childhood.(At times when Bir dared to be an exception to the rule)

You just spout lies,hearsay stories, exaggerations as per TC training line No2

Give Yfredoulli a break, he is bound by TMT to keep quite... yeah he lies a lot but makes me laugh at the same time, reading his BS...

I am giving you an eye witness information. My age has nothing to do with it. When the bullets were being fired from the church hitting the ground all around us you should have been there. You really cunt mistake them cuntfeatures. It was not a bunch of roses they were firing at us.
Lies? I was there. If your intention is to silence me, it aint working. In fact it makes me more determined to let the younger generation know about it so they don't fall into enclaves ever again.

[denizaksulu]

I was expecting at least one to say "Denktash kept us locked and isolated for 30 whole years".....

Are you kidding Pyrpolizer?

No TC dares to speak bad about Denktas... CF is closely monitored by TMT & Denktas Co. Ltd... any TC mouthing off against them would disappear tonight... never to be seen again!

Seriously now the truth is the TCs to their vast majority have been trained to keep silent for whatever might, just might harm their "cause". They differ radically from the GCs in this respect. Do you for example know that it is a GC newspaper that published the Akritas Plan?

No go read Birkibrisli's life story ( I still have the highest respect for Bir no matter what others say in here) you will see that his father died without reavealing even to his own son ANY of the secrets of TMT, without ANSWERING him questions that were a matter of life or death for Birs own life as a child. The man R.I.P was forced to exile in Australia thousands of miles from here, what could he possibly be afraid of???

I don't know what crap you have been fed but I lived there till 72 and I don't know any TC who suffered locally from TMT. Except Kavazoglu who was killed on Lurucina soil.

How would you know, you were just a Yfredaki then playing dolls, balls, whatever... Secondly you haven't read carefully what I said, thirdly you have no clue about what Bir wrote for his childhood.(At times when Bir dared to be an exception to the rule)

You just spout lies,hearsay stories, exaggerations as per TC training line No2

Give Yfredoulli a break, he is bound by TMT to keep quite... yeah he lies a lot but makes me laugh at the same time, reading his BS...

I am giving you an eye witness information. My age has nothing to do with it. When the bullets were being fired from the church hitting the ground all around us you should have been there. You really cunt mistake them cuntfeatures. It was not a bunch of roses they were firing at us.
Lies? I was there. If your intention is to silence me, it aint working. In fact it makes me more determined to let the younger generation know about it so they don't fall into enclaves ever again.

Yfred, it is a bit difficult to explain what happened to those who werent around/hadnt been born or simply brainwashed. Dont get upset too much, though there are a few honest GCs around who do know the truth and tell and still some who fear to tell it because the fear of being labelled a traitor. I for one know and tell the truth and I fear no one. If I die telling the truth - so be it.