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[repulsewarrior]

...certainly the Generals can be convinced that there is an advantage to the hundreds of millions of dollars they can save with Cyprus a part of the same security envelope, rather than an adversary.

...also it is not up to the Generals alone.

[Piratis]

Tim, the Ottomans also thought like you a few centuries ago when they had a vast empire.

I am not saying that what I say will certainly happen, I just say that it is a possibility, and the only way to free Cyprus from the Turks if/when it happens, and the best thing we can do now is to start preparing so we will be ready for when the chance will be given to us.

If you have a way to free Cyprus from the Turks faster and easier then please let me know.

If, like me, you distinguish between the Turkish Cypriots, who are citizens of the Republic according to Annex D of the Treaty of Establishment, and Turks from Turkey, then the answer is reunification under the only plan on the table, a BBF, in which case I believe that, if the federal state begins to function well, the loyalty of Turkish Cypriots will in time move away from Turkey and in favour of Cyprus.

What BBF? This is something that anybody can interpret in a different way. It is obvious that what we understand as "BBF" is very different from what the TCs understand as "BBF" and that we will never come to an agreement.

[denizaksulu]

Yeah right the Charity man has spoken. Let's ethnically cleanse the GCs steal their lands and properties donate them to trashy settles (hey they are lovely creatures because after all they are Turks like Mr Charity man) and then tell the GCs to hey "see through race" they are ordinary human beings, be realistic, let them stay...

Yeah right. The turks just woke up one morning and decided to invade. The one thing TCs feared was that they had become sitting ducks in the enclaves once the GC NG acquired Tanks. One must learn to analyse the risks involved in ones actions.
I thought that you greeks were good at maths. What went wrong then? or was that not part of finite analysis calculations. Instead of reducing risk you increased it to infinity.
Work that one out.

Pyro; are you suggesting that the forcible acquisition of GC land and homes was premedidated? I think not. There were miscalculations definitely, and the failure of the following 'peace talks' led to these acquisitions. There were decent refugees who would not touch a single book in the libraries of the 'deserted' homes of Greek Cyps. For a number of years they waited patiently till the 'peace talks' broke down. After that we know what happened when it was free for all and the northern admin mi-appropriated all the GC land and 'illegally' sold them of. We know that and I suspect that you know that. Now we have the settlers, whether we like it or not and as Tim says they seem part of the northern demography, and as time passes it will be nigh impossible to dislodge them.

You have to ask Denktash if it was premeditated or not Deniz, not the decent TC who would not even take a book from the library of his host home. Imo it was and that is proven from what happened to the GCs who remained enclaved in Karpas. All forced to leave slowly slowly and all replaced by settlers.

It is not a matter of showing a humane face to them, it's a matter of changing the demographics,and we are not talking for some 1-2%, TCs+settlers today are more than 33% of the total... do you understand what that means in terms of power sharing? Next we have the problem of the properties they acquired, nobody would be willing to return anything, so what humane face are we supposed to show them, for each one staying ANOTHER GC refugee loses everything, stays refugee for ever...

The TC side together with Ankara created additional problems to the already existing Cyprus problem. If we want a solution someone has to take responsibility and solve those problems. Who would that be the GCs???

So for the settlers: EVERYBODY who was not married with a TC should LEAVE. It doesn't matter if s/he was born here. He does not belong here, he is a product of illegal settlement. Not by grabbing him and his family and throwing him in the sea.TURKEY must built him a new home somewhere in Turkey, provide him equal lands and properties there, give him all the money he needs, to make a fresh start and REPATRIATE HIM. There is sun, there is air in Turkey, there is everything they need.

*************

Of course all the above assume that we will have a solution soon. I don't see it coming, in fact I see a new phase in Cyprus problem. That the north of Cyprus will become full of settlers and all original TCs will be history in the next 20 years or so. After that the Cyprus problem will no longer be a problem between 2 communities but a problem between Cyprus and Turkey as an occupation and settlement power.

You may be right or maybe wrong. I know that there were plans for partition, but for a negotiated partition; not by invasion and the terrors of war. Unfortunately the 1974 coup happened which lent itself an opportunity for Turkey to invade and everything got out of hand. Damn it.

[Pyrpolizer]

Yeah right the Charity man has spoken. Let's ethnically cleanse the GCs steal their lands and properties donate them to trashy settles (hey they are lovely creatures because after all they are Turks like Mr Charity man) and then tell the GCs to hey "see through race" they are ordinary human beings, be realistic, let them stay...

Yeah right. The turks just woke up one morning and decided to invade. The one thing TCs feared was that they had become sitting ducks in the enclaves once the GC NG acquired Tanks. One must learn to analyse the risks involved in ones actions.
I thought that you greeks were good at maths. What went wrong then? or was that not part of finite analysis calculations. Instead of reducing risk you increased it to infinity.
Work that one out.

Pyro; are you suggesting that the forcible acquisition of GC land and homes was premedidated? I think not. There were miscalculations definitely, and the failure of the following 'peace talks' led to these acquisitions. There were decent refugees who would not touch a single book in the libraries of the 'deserted' homes of Greek Cyps. For a number of years they waited patiently till the 'peace talks' broke down. After that we know what happened when it was free for all and the northern admin mi-appropriated all the GC land and 'illegally' sold them of. We know that and I suspect that you know that. Now we have the settlers, whether we like it or not and as Tim says they seem part of the northern demography, and as time passes it will be nigh impossible to dislodge them.

You have to ask Denktash if it was premeditated or not Deniz, not the decent TC who would not even take a book from the library of his host home. Imo it was and that is proven from what happened to the GCs who remained enclaved in Karpas. All forced to leave slowly slowly and all replaced by settlers.

It is not a matter of showing a humane face to them, it's a matter of changing the demographics,and we are not talking for some 1-2%, TCs+settlers today are more than 33% of the total... do you understand what that means in terms of power sharing? Next we have the problem of the properties they acquired, nobody would be willing to return anything, so what humane face are we supposed to show them, for each one staying ANOTHER GC refugee loses everything, stays refugee for ever...

The TC side together with Ankara created additional problems to the already existing Cyprus problem. If we want a solution someone has to take responsibility and solve those problems. Who would that be the GCs???

So for the settlers: EVERYBODY who was not married with a TC should LEAVE. It doesn't matter if s/he was born here. He does not belong here, he is a product of illegal settlement. Not by grabbing him and his family and throwing him in the sea.TURKEY must built him a new home somewhere in Turkey, provide him equal lands and properties there, give him all the money he needs, to make a fresh start and REPATRIATE HIM. There is sun, there is air in Turkey, there is everything they need.

*************

Of course all the above assume that we will have a solution soon. I don't see it coming, in fact I see a new phase in Cyprus problem. That the north of Cyprus will become full of settlers and all original TCs will be history in the next 20 years or so. After that the Cyprus problem will no longer be a problem between 2 communities but a problem between Cyprus and Turkey as an occupation and settlement power.

You may be right or maybe wrong. I know that there were plans for partition, but for a negotiated partition; not by invasion and the terrors of war. Unfortunately the 1974 coup happened which lent itself an opportunity for Turkey to invade and everything got out of hand. Damn it.

Hey Deniz,
One can say that not only our brains here in Cyprus always mulfunctioned, we were also unlucky on top of it.

Just when we had some chance to solve the damn problem with Christofias Talat, boom we rolled an iki-bir and there comes Eroglu

[YFred]

Yeah right the Charity man has spoken. Let's ethnically cleanse the GCs steal their lands and properties donate them to trashy settles (hey they are lovely creatures because after all they are Turks like Mr Charity man) and then tell the GCs to hey "see through race" they are ordinary human beings, be realistic, let them stay...

Yeah right. The turks just woke up one morning and decided to invade. The one thing TCs feared was that they had become sitting ducks in the enclaves once the GC NG acquired Tanks. One must learn to analyse the risks involved in ones actions.
I thought that you greeks were good at maths. What went wrong then? or was that not part of finite analysis calculations. Instead of reducing risk you increased it to infinity.
Work that one out.

Pyro; are you suggesting that the forcible acquisition of GC land and homes was premedidated? I think not. There were miscalculations definitely, and the failure of the following 'peace talks' led to these acquisitions. There were decent refugees who would not touch a single book in the libraries of the 'deserted' homes of Greek Cyps. For a number of years they waited patiently till the 'peace talks' broke down. After that we know what happened when it was free for all and the northern admin mi-appropriated all the GC land and 'illegally' sold them of. We know that and I suspect that you know that. Now we have the settlers, whether we like it or not and as Tim says they seem part of the northern demography, and as time passes it will be nigh impossible to dislodge them.

You have to ask Denktash if it was premeditated or not Deniz, not the decent TC who would not even take a book from the library of his host home. Imo it was and that is proven from what happened to the GCs who remained enclaved in Karpas. All forced to leave slowly slowly and all replaced by settlers.

It is not a matter of showing a humane face to them, it's a matter of changing the demographics,and we are not talking for some 1-2%, TCs+settlers today are more than 33% of the total... do you understand what that means in terms of power sharing? Next we have the problem of the properties they acquired, nobody would be willing to return anything, so what humane face are we supposed to show them, for each one staying ANOTHER GC refugee loses everything, stays refugee for ever...

The TC side together with Ankara created additional problems to the already existing Cyprus problem. If we want a solution someone has to take responsibility and solve those problems. Who would that be the GCs???

So for the settlers: EVERYBODY who was not married with a TC should LEAVE. It doesn't matter if s/he was born here. He does not belong here, he is a product of illegal settlement. Not by grabbing him and his family and throwing him in the sea.TURKEY must built him a new home somewhere in Turkey, provide him equal lands and properties there, give him all the money he needs, to make a fresh start and REPATRIATE HIM. There is sun, there is air in Turkey, there is everything they need.

*************

Of course all the above assume that we will have a solution soon. I don't see it coming, in fact I see a new phase in Cyprus problem. That the north of Cyprus will become full of settlers and all original TCs will be history in the next 20 years or so. After that the Cyprus problem will no longer be a problem between 2 communities but a problem between Cyprus and Turkey as an occupation and settlement power.

You may be right or maybe wrong. I know that there were plans for partition, but for a negotiated partition; not by invasion and the terrors of war. Unfortunately the 1974 coup happened which lent itself an opportunity for Turkey to invade and everything got out of hand. Damn it.

Hey Deniz,
One can say that not only our brains here in Cyprus always mulfunctioned, we were also unlucky on top of it.

Just when we had some chance to solve the damn problem with Christofias Talat, boom we rolled an iki-bir and there comes Eroglu

Look at your zar properly, it was shesh besh not iki bir. Next time use a bodiri. You may have a better luck.

[Pyrpolizer]

spoilsport

[denizaksulu]

Yeah right the Charity man has spoken. Let's ethnically cleanse the GCs steal their lands and properties donate them to trashy settles (hey they are lovely creatures because after all they are Turks like Mr Charity man) and then tell the GCs to hey "see through race" they are ordinary human beings, be realistic, let them stay...

Yeah right. The turks just woke up one morning and decided to invade. The one thing TCs feared was that they had become sitting ducks in the enclaves once the GC NG acquired Tanks. One must learn to analyse the risks involved in ones actions.
I thought that you greeks were good at maths. What went wrong then? or was that not part of finite analysis calculations. Instead of reducing risk you increased it to infinity.
Work that one out.

Pyro; are you suggesting that the forcible acquisition of GC land and homes was premedidated? I think not. There were miscalculations definitely, and the failure of the following 'peace talks' led to these acquisitions. There were decent refugees who would not touch a single book in the libraries of the 'deserted' homes of Greek Cyps. For a number of years they waited patiently till the 'peace talks' broke down. After that we know what happened when it was free for all and the northern admin mi-appropriated all the GC land and 'illegally' sold them of. We know that and I suspect that you know that. Now we have the settlers, whether we like it or not and as Tim says they seem part of the northern demography, and as time passes it will be nigh impossible to dislodge them.

You have to ask Denktash if it was premeditated or not Deniz, not the decent TC who would not even take a book from the library of his host home. Imo it was and that is proven from what happened to the GCs who remained enclaved in Karpas. All forced to leave slowly slowly and all replaced by settlers.

It is not a matter of showing a humane face to them, it's a matter of changing the demographics,and we are not talking for some 1-2%, TCs+settlers today are more than 33% of the total... do you understand what that means in terms of power sharing? Next we have the problem of the properties they acquired, nobody would be willing to return anything, so what humane face are we supposed to show them, for each one staying ANOTHER GC refugee loses everything, stays refugee for ever...

The TC side together with Ankara created additional problems to the already existing Cyprus problem. If we want a solution someone has to take responsibility and solve those problems. Who would that be the GCs???

So for the settlers: EVERYBODY who was not married with a TC should LEAVE. It doesn't matter if s/he was born here. He does not belong here, he is a product of illegal settlement. Not by grabbing him and his family and throwing him in the sea.TURKEY must built him a new home somewhere in Turkey, provide him equal lands and properties there, give him all the money he needs, to make a fresh start and REPATRIATE HIM. There is sun, there is air in Turkey, there is everything they need.

*************

Of course all the above assume that we will have a solution soon. I don't see it coming, in fact I see a new phase in Cyprus problem. That the north of Cyprus will become full of settlers and all original TCs will be history in the next 20 years or so. After that the Cyprus problem will no longer be a problem between 2 communities but a problem between Cyprus and Turkey as an occupation and settlement power.

You may be right or maybe wrong. I know that there were plans for partition, but for a negotiated partition; not by invasion and the terrors of war. Unfortunately the 1974 coup happened which lent itself an opportunity for Turkey to invade and everything got out of hand. Damn it.

Hey Deniz,
One can say that not only our brains here in Cyprus always mulfunctioned, we were also unlucky on top of it.

Just when we had some chance to solve the damn problem with Christofias Talat, boom we rolled an iki-bir and there comes Eroglu

Look at your zar properly, it was shesh besh not iki bir. Next time use a bodiri. You may have a better luck.

Just for you Yfred. Go and get baptised.


That is Stavrovouni btw.

[Pyrpolizer]

Just for you Yfred. Go and get baptised.


That is Stavrovouni btw.

He has to chose a Greek name though and Greek names have male or female genders. Biiiiig problem here.

[denizaksulu]

Just for you Yfred. Go and get baptised.


That is Stavrovouni btw.

He has to chose a Greek name though and Greek names have male or female genders. Biiiiig problem here.

This is baptism by fire Pyro

I am in dispute with this Lurucadi.

[YFred]

Yeah right the Charity man has spoken. Let's ethnically cleanse the GCs steal their lands and properties donate them to trashy settles (hey they are lovely creatures because after all they are Turks like Mr Charity man) and then tell the GCs to hey "see through race" they are ordinary human beings, be realistic, let them stay...

Yeah right. The turks just woke up one morning and decided to invade. The one thing TCs feared was that they had become sitting ducks in the enclaves once the GC NG acquired Tanks. One must learn to analyse the risks involved in ones actions.
I thought that you greeks were good at maths. What went wrong then? or was that not part of finite analysis calculations. Instead of reducing risk you increased it to infinity.
Work that one out.

Pyro; are you suggesting that the forcible acquisition of GC land and homes was premedidated? I think not. There were miscalculations definitely, and the failure of the following 'peace talks' led to these acquisitions. There were decent refugees who would not touch a single book in the libraries of the 'deserted' homes of Greek Cyps. For a number of years they waited patiently till the 'peace talks' broke down. After that we know what happened when it was free for all and the northern admin mi-appropriated all the GC land and 'illegally' sold them of. We know that and I suspect that you know that. Now we have the settlers, whether we like it or not and as Tim says they seem part of the northern demography, and as time passes it will be nigh impossible to dislodge them.

You have to ask Denktash if it was premeditated or not Deniz, not the decent TC who would not even take a book from the library of his host home. Imo it was and that is proven from what happened to the GCs who remained enclaved in Karpas. All forced to leave slowly slowly and all replaced by settlers.

It is not a matter of showing a humane face to them, it's a matter of changing the demographics,and we are not talking for some 1-2%, TCs+settlers today are more than 33% of the total... do you understand what that means in terms of power sharing? Next we have the problem of the properties they acquired, nobody would be willing to return anything, so what humane face are we supposed to show them, for each one staying ANOTHER GC refugee loses everything, stays refugee for ever...

The TC side together with Ankara created additional problems to the already existing Cyprus problem. If we want a solution someone has to take responsibility and solve those problems. Who would that be the GCs???

So for the settlers: EVERYBODY who was not married with a TC should LEAVE. It doesn't matter if s/he was born here. He does not belong here, he is a product of illegal settlement. Not by grabbing him and his family and throwing him in the sea.TURKEY must built him a new home somewhere in Turkey, provide him equal lands and properties there, give him all the money he needs, to make a fresh start and REPATRIATE HIM. There is sun, there is air in Turkey, there is everything they need.

*************

Of course all the above assume that we will have a solution soon. I don't see it coming, in fact I see a new phase in Cyprus problem. That the north of Cyprus will become full of settlers and all original TCs will be history in the next 20 years or so. After that the Cyprus problem will no longer be a problem between 2 communities but a problem between Cyprus and Turkey as an occupation and settlement power.

You may be right or maybe wrong. I know that there were plans for partition, but for a negotiated partition; not by invasion and the terrors of war. Unfortunately the 1974 coup happened which lent itself an opportunity for Turkey to invade and everything got out of hand. Damn it.

Hey Deniz,
One can say that not only our brains here in Cyprus always mulfunctioned, we were also unlucky on top of it.

Just when we had some chance to solve the damn problem with Christofias Talat, boom we rolled an iki-bir and there comes Eroglu

Look at your zar properly, it was shesh besh not iki bir. Next time use a bodiri. You may have a better luck.

Just for you Yfred. Go and get baptised.


That is Stavrovouni btw.

But our one is prettier.