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[Viewpoint]

There are still TCs in the TRNC but they are so disheartened by the antics of the GCs they have near enough given up hope of ever finding a solution hence voting in Eroglu that they have accepted that their future is with Turkey and not the GCs.

[Malapapa]

There are still TCs in the TRNC but they are so disheartened by the antics of the GCs they have near enough given up hope of ever finding a solution hence voting in Eroglu that they have accepted that their future is with Turkey and not the GCs.

So when a "Turkish Republic" was dishearteningly and unilaterally declared in northern Cyprus – way back in 1983 – where did TCs think their future lay, then? What sort of solution where they trying to find, then?

Stop blaming others for the mess you're in; like a spoilt child. What are you, a revolting Greek?

[Malapapa]

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[Pyrpolizer]

There are still TCs in the TRNC but they are so disheartened by the antics of the GCs they have near enough given up hope of ever finding a solution hence voting in Eroglu that they have accepted that their future is with Turkey and not the GCs.

VP really as Malapapa said from 1974 onwards IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT. There can be no excuses. Don't blame to poor GCs half of which became refugees with nothing to eat and nowhere to sleep. Blame YOUR OWN HEADS.

The fact that we succeeded to survive, and today even prosper, whereas you sunk deeper and deeper into the sheethole is TOTALLY DUE TO THE WRONG CHOICES YOU MADE and the wrong decissions your leaders have taken for you.

This last one Eroglu will burry you completely. I am sorry to say but for me personally the original TCs are ALREADY A HISTORY.

[Piratis]

Liberating Cyprus like all other Greek islands and territories after centuries of being oppressed under foreign rulers (British, Turks etc) was the right of the Cypriot people. Just because a minority of Muslims was formed in Cyprus during the Ottoman rule this didn't mean that Cypriots didn't have the right for freedom. Most other Greek islands and territories had Muslim minorities as well. But just like Cyprus, the vast majority of the population was still Greek for 1000s of years, which is why it made perfect sense for those islands and mainland territories to be liberated and be part of a free Greek State. Rhodes for example, which also has a Turkish minority, was liberated from Italian rule in 1947 and naturally it united with the rest of Greece.

Now of course we can not expect from the Turks to understand our rights. For them we are the slaves whom they conquered, and we have no right to democratically determine the destiny of our own island.

Their mentality has not changed since 1821:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

If the Cypriot people had been allowed their freedom from back then, there wouldn't be any need for enosis (union) since Cyprus would be part of the initial Greek state.

The UN resolution for decolonization clearly defines "free association with an independent State, integration into an independent State, or independence as the three legitimate options of full self-government."
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

Being integrated to the rest of the Greek state was not any less legitimate than independence. The Cypriot people should have been allowed to choose in a democratic way which of the legitimate options they wanted for their own island. Then there wouldn't be the need for any armed struggle or any EOKA. Given the option we might have even chosen a real independence. (unlike the one they gave us)

Since our legitimate options were denied by the foreign Imperialists we were forced to revolt against them. This revolution was against the British Colonialists, and not against the Muslim/Turkish minority. The Muslim minority was not targeted or attacked. Who was attacked were the British Colonialists and those Cypriots who collaborated with them. We have several other minorities in Cyprus, just like there are Muslim and other minorities in the rest of Greece, and we have no problem with them being in Cyprus.

The responsibility for the begging of the inter-communal conflict lies solely on the TCs and those who armed them and used them as their pawns, turning them against GCs in order to deny from Cypriots their freedom and in this way maintain troops and control over our island.

It is the TCs who in 1958 committed the first massacre and burned the homes and shops of innocent people for the sole reason that they were GCs. These is a fact. Now Bir is trying to circumvent this fact with imaginary stories about things that never happened anywhere except from the sick minds of those who imagined them in order to excuse their crimes. They imagined that GCs would supposedly attack them, and they used their own imaginary story as an excuse to commit massacres and burn the homes and shops of innocent people, starting in this way the inter-communal conflict.

Piratis we are at what we are TODAY. (see my previous post).
What do you think is the future in Cyprus, considering that in just 20 years from now the original TCs will be history and the north will be mostly settlers?

The population in occupied Cyprus is fully controlled by Turkey, regardless if they are TCs or Settlers. The future of Cyprus does not depend on what label we give to those who are illegally occupying our land, but on the balance of power.

With the current balance of power unfortunately Cyprus will remain divided. There is no other option available today. A real unification is just not possible now. The best thing we can do is to keep this division illegal, so in the future, under a different balance of power, we will be able to restore legality and our rights over our lands.

[repulsewarrior]

There are still TCs in the TRNC but they are so disheartened by the antics of the GCs they have near enough given up hope of ever finding a solution hence voting in Eroglu that they have accepted that their future is with Turkey and not the GCs.

VP really as Malapapa said from 1974 onwards IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT. There can be no excuses. Don't blame to poor GCs half of which became refugees with nothing to eat and nowhere to sleep. Blame YOUR OWN HEADS.

The fact that we succeeded to survive, and today even prosper, whereas you sunk deeper and deeper into the sheethole is TOTALLY DUE TO THE WRONG CHOICES YOU MADE and the wrong decissions your leaders have taken for you.

This last one Eroglu will burry you completely. I am sorry to say but for me personally the original TCs are ALREADY A HISTORY.

...well said.

it is up to Denktash again.

...and the anomalies that i have stressed, in his acts can give Cypriots some hope.

...VP, between seeking pity, and dismissing anything Turks do that tarnish their own image, as a Turkish Cypriot you should reconsider as a Human Being what it is you espouse. neither "Turks" or "Greeks" can stand proud, if the island remains divided, no Cypriot will remain.

[Pyrpolizer]

The population in occupied Cyprus is fully controlled by Turkey, regardless if they are TCs or Settlers. The future of Cyprus does not depend on what label we give to those who are illegally occupying our land, but on the balance of power.

With the current balance of power unfortunately Cyprus will remain divided. There is no other option available today. A real unification is just not possible now. The best thing we can do is to keep this division illegal, so in the future, under a different balance of power, we will be able to restore legality and our rights over our lands.

Problem is Piratis I don't know of any precedent in history where ethnically cleansed populations regained their lands. Changes of the balance of power happen all the time, just name me one ethnically cleansed population who regained their lands...

[Malapapa]

The population in occupied Cyprus is fully controlled by Turkey, regardless if they are TCs or Settlers. The future of Cyprus does not depend on what label we give to those who are illegally occupying our land, but on the balance of power.

With the current balance of power unfortunately Cyprus will remain divided. There is no other option available today. A real unification is just not possible now. The best thing we can do is to keep this division illegal, so in the future, under a different balance of power, we will be able to restore legality and our rights over our lands.

Problem is Piratis I don't know of any precedent in history where ethnically cleansed populations regained their lands. Changes of the balance of power happen all the time, just name me one ethnically cleansed population who regained their lands...

The Jews would argue the Jews.

[Pyrpolizer]

And how the Jews who were more of a relegion bond than a nation were ever ethnically cleansed??

[Malapapa]

And how the Jews who were a relegion than an ethnicity were ever ethnically cleansed??

Do a little googling.

The turbulent history of the Jewish people, religion, and culture is well documented, both inside and outside what is considered to be their ancestral homelands. So too the history of the modern state of Israel.