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[BirKibrisli]

.Turkey had washed her hands of Cyprus and the TCs in 1923...Dr Kuchuk and Denktas and their fellow nationalists,with the help of Britain and the USA,had to drag Turkey into the quickmire that is Cyprus,kicking and screeeming,mid 50s....Just after the EOKA struggle begun...And that was not a mere coincidence...If you believe that Turkish soldiers would be in Cyprus now without your glorious ENOSIS dream,you ought to go back to school yourself...

If Turkey had indeed washed her hands of Cyprus in 1923, what made her dirty them again? The "dream" of Enosis - along with independence - did not begin in the 50s!

Enosis became a serious threat in the 50s,so the British and the USA had to find a way to counteract it...Turkey had to be dragged in to help...If there was no EOKA fighting for Enosis with Greece there would ahve been no Taksim demand and no part for Turkey to play...Accept that and we can move on...Insist on your revisionist efforts to twist history and we are both stuck in shit...and sinking deeper by the year...Your choice...

[BirKibrisli]

If Cyprus could be part of the Ottoman or British empires against the will of the Cypriot people, then why couldn't Cyprus be part of the Greek Republic which is what the vast majority of the population wanted?

We would continue to live together and in peace with the TC minority as we did during the 80 years of British rule. But now instead of being British subjects we would all become equal Greek citizens. We had nothing against the TC minority, just like we had nothing against any of the other minorities in Cyprus. Our struggle was against the Colonialists and not against the TCs. The conflict with the TCs started only when the TCs attacked us, burning the homes and shops of innocent people and massacring others. And as I showed in my previous post this was done after instructions from Turkey, promising to the TC minority gains on our expense if they helped them to defeat our revolution.

When a majority of the GCs can say,without any qualification,that ENOSIS with Greece dream was wrong and the cause of all our troubles,we will have some hope of a solution

The above quote is a good example of the trap that the Turks want us to fall in.

They are the ones who have most of the responsibility of what happened to Cyprus since they are the ones who initiated all wars and conflicts against us, starting from 1571 and continuing to 1958 and 1974 in their attempt to enslave and control our island.

We did take part in those wars and conflicts they started against us and they did suffer and had casualties as well, but putting most of the blame on us is like blaming the allies for WWII because the Germans and the Japanese had casualties and suffered during the wars they started.

Our cause for union with the rest of Greece was 100% legitimate. The UN resolution 1541 defines "free association with an independent State, integration into an independent State, or independence as the three legitimate options of full self-government."
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

Who was wrong was not the Cypriot people for asking for their legitimate rights, but the Turks and the British who refused those rights to us because they wanted to maintain troops and control over our island.

Now Bir wants us to take all the responsibility for everything. And maybe some Cypriots are enticed by his proposal. They might think "hey, lets just accept whatever the Turks say about the past, what we care about is the future, not the accuracy of what happened in history". But as I said this is a trap. Because once they convince us to accept their lies, the next thing we will hear from them will not be "OK, lets have a united Cyprus with no borders and no discriminations" but instead it will be "OK, now you accepted that you are the evil ones who caused everything, our demands to stay separate from you in our own Turkish state, with gains of land and power on your expense and with Turkish 'guarantees' should make perfect sense". Don't fall in their trap.

Maintaining the accuracy of historical events is critical for a weak side like ours fighting against a much more powerful invader. While we want to punish nobody for what happened in the past, we should not allow others to fake our history and use that as an excuse to justify yet more crimes against us.

You are not a very trusting guy,are you Piratis? For someone who wants the TCs to send Turkey packing and trust you again with their lives and property??? But we all know now...You are a fanatical Greek who still wants toa chieve Enosis,this time by reducing the TCs to a minority status and then demanding your right to self-determination... The TCs trusted you once in 1960,and you started planning your treacherous act of achieving Enosis underhandedly before the ink was dry...You accept that it was Enosis which cause all the trouble in our recent history,repent and ask for forgiveness for turning Cyprus to Hell for hundreds of thousands of Cypriots (GCs included),and we will see if you are sincere this time...Those who cannot trust cannot be trusted...

[growuptcs]

If Cyprus could be part of the Ottoman or British empires against the will of the Cypriot people, then why couldn't Cyprus be part of the Greek Republic which is what the vast majority of the population wanted?

We would continue to live together and in peace with the TC minority as we did during the 80 years of British rule. But now instead of being British subjects we would all become equal Greek citizens. We had nothing against the TC minority, just like we had nothing against any of the other minorities in Cyprus. Our struggle was against the Colonialists and not against the TCs. The conflict with the TCs started only when the TCs attacked us, burning the homes and shops of innocent people and massacring others. And as I showed in my previous post this was done after instructions from Turkey, promising to the TC minority gains on our expense if they helped them to defeat our revolution.

When a majority of the GCs can say,without any qualification,that ENOSIS with Greece dream was wrong and the cause of all our troubles,we will have some hope of a solution

The above quote is a good example of the trap that the Turks want us to fall in.

They are the ones who have most of the responsibility of what happened to Cyprus since they are the ones who initiated all wars and conflicts against us, starting from 1571 and continuing to 1958 and 1974 in their attempt to enslave and control our island.

We did take part in those wars and conflicts they started against us and they did suffer and had casualties as well, but putting most of the blame on us is like blaming the allies for WWII because the Germans and the Japanese had casualties and suffered during the wars they started.

Our cause for union with the rest of Greece was 100% legitimate. The UN resolution 1541 defines "free association with an independent State, integration into an independent State, or independence as the three legitimate options of full self-government."
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

Who was wrong was not the Cypriot people for asking for their legitimate rights, but the Turks and the British who refused those rights to us because they wanted to maintain troops and control over our island.

Now Bir wants us to take all the responsibility for everything. And maybe some Cypriots are enticed by his proposal. They might think "hey, lets just accept whatever the Turks say about the past, what we care about is the future, not the accuracy of what happened in history". But as I said this is a trap. Because once they convince us to accept their lies, the next thing we will hear from them will not be "OK, lets have a united Cyprus with no borders and no discriminations" but instead it will be "OK, now you accepted that you are the evil ones who caused everything, our demands to stay separate from you in our own Turkish state, with gains of land and power on your expense and with Turkish 'guarantees' should make perfect sense". Don't fall in their trap.

Maintaining the accuracy of historical events is critical for a weak side like ours fighting against a much more powerful invader. While we want to punish nobody for what happened in the past, we should not allow others to fake our history and use that as an excuse to justify yet more crimes against us.

You are not a very trusting guy,are you Piratis? For someone who wants the TCs to send Turkey packing and trust you again with their lives and property??? But we all know now...You are a fanatical Greek who still wants toa chieve Enosis,this time by reducing the TCs to a minority status and then demanding your right to self-determination... The TCs trusted you once in 1960,and you started planning your treacherous act of achieving Enosis underhandedly before the ink was dry...You accept that it was Enosis which cause all the trouble in our recent history,repent
and ask for forgiveness for turning Cyprus to Hell for hundreds of thousands of Cypriots (GCs included),and we will see if you are sincere this time...Those who cannot trust cannot be trusted...

Your still reciting the word trust, with a Cypriot whose land that you hold hostage with rules? Go back to Turkey you fucken Turk, you have no business sharing your Ottoman thoughts here still.

[growuptcs]

If Cyprus could be part of the Ottoman or British empires against the will of the Cypriot people, then why couldn't Cyprus be part of the Greek Republic which is what the vast majority of the population wanted?

We would continue to live together and in peace with the TC minority as we did during the 80 years of British rule. But now instead of being British subjects we would all become equal Greek citizens. We had nothing against the TC minority, just like we had nothing against any of the other minorities in Cyprus. Our struggle was against the Colonialists and not against the TCs. The conflict with the TCs started only when the TCs attacked us, burning the homes and shops of innocent people and massacring others. And as I showed in my previous post this was done after instructions from Turkey, promising to the TC minority gains on our expense if they helped them to defeat our revolution.

When a majority of the GCs can say,without any qualification,that ENOSIS with Greece dream was wrong and the cause of all our troubles,we will have some hope of a solution

The above quote is a good example of the trap that the Turks want us to fall in.

They are the ones who have most of the responsibility of what happened to Cyprus since they are the ones who initiated all wars and conflicts against us, starting from 1571 and continuing to 1958 and 1974 in their attempt to enslave and control our island.

We did take part in those wars and conflicts they started against us and they did suffer and had casualties as well, but putting most of the blame on us is like blaming the allies for WWII because the Germans and the Japanese had casualties and suffered during the wars they started.

Our cause for union with the rest of Greece was 100% legitimate. The UN resolution 1541 defines "free association with an independent State, integration into an independent State, or independence as the three legitimate options of full self-government."
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

Who was wrong was not the Cypriot people for asking for their legitimate rights, but the Turks and the British who refused those rights to us because they wanted to maintain troops and control over our island.

Now Bir wants us to take all the responsibility for everything. And maybe some Cypriots are enticed by his proposal. They might think "hey, lets just accept whatever the Turks say about the past, what we care about is the future, not the accuracy of what happened in history". But as I said this is a trap. Because once they convince us to accept their lies, the next thing we will hear from them will not be "OK, lets have a united Cyprus with no borders and no discriminations" but instead it will be "OK, now you accepted that you are the evil ones who caused everything, our demands to stay separate from you in our own Turkish state, with gains of land and power on your expense and with Turkish 'guarantees' should make perfect sense". Don't fall in their trap.

Maintaining the accuracy of historical events is critical for a weak side like ours fighting against a much more powerful invader. While we want to punish nobody for what happened in the past, we should not allow others to fake our history and use that as an excuse to justify yet more crimes against us.

You are not a very trusting guy,are you Piratis? For someone who wants the TCs to send Turkey packing and trust you again with their lives and property??? But we all know now...You are a fanatical Greek who still wants toa chieve Enosis,this time by reducing the TCs to a minority status and then demanding your right to self-determination... The TCs trusted you once in 1960,and you started planning your treacherous act of achieving Enosis underhandedly before the ink was dry...You accept that it was Enosis which cause all the trouble in our recent history,repent
and ask for forgiveness for turning Cyprus to Hell for hundreds of thousands of Cypriots (GCs included),and we will see if you are sincere this time...Those who cannot trust cannot be trusted...

Your still reciting the word trust, with a Cypriot whose land that you hold hostage with rules? Go back to Turkey you fucken Turk, you have no business sharing your Ottoman thoughts here still.

[Oracle]

Enosis became a serious threat in the 50s,so the British and the USA had to find a way to counteract it...Turkey had to be dragged in to help...If there was no EOKA fighting for Enosis with Greece there would ahve been no Taksim demand and no part for Turkey to play...Accept that and we can move on...Insist on your revisionist efforts to twist history and we are both stuck in shit...and sinking deeper by the year...Your choice...

A serious threat? What a joke. Why did your people come here then if they were so afraid of Greeks? You have made it your sole purpose to prevent us from mixing with our kin.

You've simply used your might, and our relative physical isolation from our compatriots, to enslave us since 1571 - not just the 1950s. Periodically slaughtering us and culling our numbers to keep us under the control of Turks ... then as NOW!

We will never accept you ruling over us without constant resistance. We shall be a thorn in your sides until you bugger off and give us back our peace and freedom.

Murdering genocidal maniac barbarian Otto-Turks!

[BirKibrisli]

If Cyprus could be part of the Ottoman or British empires against the will of the Cypriot people, then why couldn't Cyprus be part of the Greek Republic which is what the vast majority of the population wanted?

We would continue to live together and in peace with the TC minority as we did during the 80 years of British rule. But now instead of being British subjects we would all become equal Greek citizens. We had nothing against the TC minority, just like we had nothing against any of the other minorities in Cyprus. Our struggle was against the Colonialists and not against the TCs. The conflict with the TCs started only when the TCs attacked us, burning the homes and shops of innocent people and massacring others. And as I showed in my previous post this was done after instructions from Turkey, promising to the TC minority gains on our expense if they helped them to defeat our revolution.

When a majority of the GCs can say,without any qualification,that ENOSIS with Greece dream was wrong and the cause of all our troubles,we will have some hope of a solution

The above quote is a good example of the trap that the Turks want us to fall in.

They are the ones who have most of the responsibility of what happened to Cyprus since they are the ones who initiated all wars and conflicts against us, starting from 1571 and continuing to 1958 and 1974 in their attempt to enslave and control our island.

We did take part in those wars and conflicts they started against us and they did suffer and had casualties as well, but putting most of the blame on us is like blaming the allies for WWII because the Germans and the Japanese had casualties and suffered during the wars they started.

Our cause for union with the rest of Greece was 100% legitimate. The UN resolution 1541 defines "free association with an independent State, integration into an independent State, or independence as the three legitimate options of full self-government."
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

Who was wrong was not the Cypriot people for asking for their legitimate rights, but the Turks and the British who refused those rights to us because they wanted to maintain troops and control over our island.

Now Bir wants us to take all the responsibility for everything. And maybe some Cypriots are enticed by his proposal. They might think "hey, lets just accept whatever the Turks say about the past, what we care about is the future, not the accuracy of what happened in history". But as I said this is a trap. Because once they convince us to accept their lies, the next thing we will hear from them will not be "OK, lets have a united Cyprus with no borders and no discriminations" but instead it will be "OK, now you accepted that you are the evil ones who caused everything, our demands to stay separate from you in our own Turkish state, with gains of land and power on your expense and with Turkish 'guarantees' should make perfect sense". Don't fall in their trap.

Maintaining the accuracy of historical events is critical for a weak side like ours fighting against a much more powerful invader. While we want to punish nobody for what happened in the past, we should not allow others to fake our history and use that as an excuse to justify yet more crimes against us.

You are not a very trusting guy,are you Piratis? For someone who wants the TCs to send Turkey packing and trust you again with their lives and property??? But we all know now...You are a fanatical Greek who still wants toa chieve Enosis,this time by reducing the TCs to a minority status and then demanding your right to self-determination... The TCs trusted you once in 1960,and you started planning your treacherous act of achieving Enosis underhandedly before the ink was dry...You accept that it was Enosis which cause all the trouble in our recent history,repent
and ask for forgiveness for turning Cyprus to Hell for hundreds of thousands of Cypriots (GCs included),and we will see if you are sincere this time...Those who cannot trust cannot be trusted...

Your still reciting the word trust, with a Cypriot whose land that you hold hostage with rules? Go back to Turkey you fucken Turk, you have no business sharing your Ottoman thoughts here still.

And you know where you can go,you Greek twerp...To Hell where you belong...The Ottomans are coming to get you,and you will wish you were in Hell...Degenerate Greek skunk!!!

[growuptcs]

Hey Bir, you know that I react foolishly to fools. Stop being a fool and speak from your soul. Not from your notes.

[BirKibrisli]

Enosis became a serious threat in the 50s,so the British and the USA had to find a way to counteract it...Turkey had to be dragged in to help...If there was no EOKA fighting for Enosis with Greece there would ahve been no Taksim demand and no part for Turkey to play...Accept that and we can move on...Insist on your revisionist efforts to twist history and we are both stuck in shit...and sinking deeper by the year...Your choice...

A serious threat? What a joke. Why did your people come here then if they were so afraid of Greeks? You have made it your sole purpose to prevent us from mixing with our kin.

You've simply used your might, and our relative physical isolation from our compatriots, to enslave us since 1571 - not just the 1950s. Periodically slaughtering us and culling our numbers to keep us under the control of Turks ... then as NOW!

We will never accept you ruling over us without constant resistance. We shall be a thorn in your sides until you bugger off and give us back our peace and freedom.

Murdering genocidal maniac barbarian Otto-Turks!

We are going nowhere till you learn to be proper Cypriots,not treacherous Greek bloody-bones,you stinking Greek Hell-hag!!!!

[BirKibrisli]

Hey Bir, you know that I react foolishly to fools. Stop being a fool and speak from your soul. Not from your notes.

Spoil sport! Why can't I have some fun too...It is proving to be therapeutic,and you know Oracle and Paphidis love this kind of talk... You stay out of it,and they will soon be looking for somewhere to hide!

[growuptcs]

Hey Bir, you know that I react foolishly to fools. Stop being a fool and speak from your soul. Not from your notes.

Spoil sport! Why can't I have some fun too...It is proving to be therapeutic,and you know Oracle and Paphidis love this kind of talk... You stay out of it,and they will soon be looking for somewhere to hide!

You shouldn't focus on Oracle and Paph, you should focus your attention on, if your going to vote to live by human or an animal rules this Sunday.