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[BirKibrisli]

This is no laughing matter GR!
There are many who feel the same "Greek fire" in their veins on this Forum...Your mate Oracle and the other Champion of "Cyprus is Greek" brigade, Piratis,and dear old Epsilon come readily to mind...

What do you have to say to them????Come on be a MAN,not a mouse...

I am not sure where you going with this bir...we also, OZ, had our share of nationalism..pauline hansen springs to mind with nationalistic speeches that got her into parliament, enabling her to make the now defunct speech in parliament...or the kkk for a matter of fact...

cast your mind back and tell me how these movements are defeated...

the answer while having a freedom of speech and expression rights, nationalism is only defeated through democracy, human rights and rule of law...pity the cypriots seemed forever to be fragmanted and manipulated...

cypriots need to speak with a one voice...division will never work coz, it plays havoc with fragmented minds...

PS...but on the flip side welcome to the club of nationalism and coockoo politics with your new buddies...

If you can't beat them,you will have to join them,Boomers...If you want to continue the fight that is...It is obvious to me now that the EOKA struugle for ENOSIS with Greece is very much alive and these days it is wearing a democracy and human rights cloak...Not until these fanatics come to terms with the fact that the germinal cause for our present problems was the ENOSIS dream,will I believe anything they say...

Dont confuse the shallow and materialistic "nationalism" of Pauline Hanson in Australia with the deep rooted ENOSIS desire and the associated hatred and bitterness towards the TCs that run in many hearts and minds in Cyprus...

[boomerang]

This is no laughing matter GR!
There are many who feel the same "Greek fire" in their veins on this Forum...Your mate Oracle and the other Champion of "Cyprus is Greek" brigade, Piratis,and dear old Epsilon come readily to mind...

What do you have to say to them????Come on be a MAN,not a mouse...

I am not sure where you going with this bir...we also, OZ, had our share of nationalism..pauline hansen springs to mind with nationalistic speeches that got her into parliament, enabling her to make the now defunct speech in parliament...or the kkk for a matter of fact...

cast your mind back and tell me how these movements are defeated...

the answer while having a freedom of speech and expression rights, nationalism is only defeated through democracy, human rights and rule of law...pity the cypriots seemed forever to be fragmanted and manipulated...

cypriots need to speak with a one voice...division will never work coz, it plays havoc with fragmented minds...

PS...but on the flip side welcome to the club of nationalism and coockoo politics with your new buddies...

If you can't beat them,you will have to join them,Boomers...If you want to continue the fight that is...It is obvious to me now that the EOKA struugle for ENOSIS with Greece is very much alive and these days it is wearing a democracy and human rights cloak...Not until these fanatics come to terms with the fact that the germinal cause for our present problems was the ENOSIS dream,will I believe anything they say...

Dont confuse the shallow and materialistic "nationalism" of Pauline Hanson in Australia with the deep rooted ENOSIS desire and the associated hatred and bitterness towards the TCs that run in many hearts and minds in Cyprus...

oh i forgot bir the inter communal fights of othrs take second place when it comes to tcs...

one major factor that you seemed to forget is if every single gc was against the tcs we wouldn't be talking today and you would be basking in anatolia as we speak...

obviously this didn't happen adds further proof that not all were vicious as now you have taken the opinion of the nationalists...

as far as nationalism is concerned, it takes many forms and one was pauline hanse's statement, that caused an uproar and condemnation by all...

the pauline hansen of this world was defeated, sensibly, by all and proof was in the ballot in the following election...

democracy, human rights and rule of law prevailed at the end of the day...

there is no scale for nationalism bir, good luck in joining the nationalist movement...and keeping the flame alive...but really where is the gain?...

the way i see it with people taking sides for a non starter discussion is that the end result will be cyprus will still be cyprus and the tcs disappearing to turkey...as your newly aquire buddies claim, you will be reverting back to your roots...good luck...

keep on denouncing democracy, human rights and the rule of law and keep the flame for ever burning...

cast your mind back to your cyprus visit and tell me of your experience...

ps...do not be in a hurry to dismiss other peoples nationalism as shallow...nationalism is nationalism...you owe to look up the meaning of the word...

[BirKibrisli]

This is no laughing matter GR!
There are many who feel the same "Greek fire" in their veins on this Forum...Your mate Oracle and the other Champion of "Cyprus is Greek" brigade, Piratis,and dear old Epsilon come readily to mind...

What do you have to say to them????Come on be a MAN,not a mouse...

I am not sure where you going with this bir...we also, OZ, had our share of nationalism..pauline hansen springs to mind with nationalistic speeches that got her into parliament, enabling her to make the now defunct speech in parliament...or the kkk for a matter of fact...

cast your mind back and tell me how these movements are defeated...

the answer while having a freedom of speech and expression rights, nationalism is only defeated through democracy, human rights and rule of law...pity the cypriots seemed forever to be fragmanted and manipulated...

cypriots need to speak with a one voice...division will never work coz, it plays havoc with fragmented minds...

PS...but on the flip side welcome to the club of nationalism and coockoo politics with your new buddies...

If you can't beat them,you will have to join them,Boomers...If you want to continue the fight that is...It is obvious to me now that the EOKA struugle for ENOSIS with Greece is very much alive and these days it is wearing a democracy and human rights cloak...Not until these fanatics come to terms with the fact that the germinal cause for our present problems was the ENOSIS dream,will I believe anything they say...

Dont confuse the shallow and materialistic "nationalism" of Pauline Hanson in Australia with the deep rooted ENOSIS desire and the associated hatred and bitterness towards the TCs that run in many hearts and minds in Cyprus...

oh i forgot bir the inter communal fights of othrs take second place when it comes to tcs...

one major factor that you seemed to forget is if every single gc was against the tcs we wouldn't be talking today and you would be basking in anatolia as we speak...

obviously this didn't happen adds further proof that not all were vicious as now you have taken the opinion of the nationalists...

as far as nationalism is concerned, it takes many forms and one was pauline hanse's statement, that caused an uproar and condemnation by all...

the pauline hansen of this world was defeated, sensibly, by all and proof was in the ballot in the following election...

democracy, human rights and rule of law prevailed at the end of the day...

there is no scale for nationalism bir, good luck in joining the nationalist movement...and keeping the flame alive...but really where is the gain?...

the way i see it with people taking sides for a non starter discussion is that the end result will be cyprus will still be cyprus and the tcs disappearing to turkey...as your newly aquire buddies claim, you will be reverting back to your roots...good luck...

keep on denouncing democracy, human rights and the rule of law and keep the flame for ever burning...

cast your mind back to your cyprus visit and tell me of your experience...

ps...do not be in a hurry to dismiss other peoples nationalism as shallow...nationalism is nationalism...you owe to look up the meaning of the word...

You don't seem to understand,mate. I have joined no nationalist movement..If anything I am Cypriot nationalist...But I have seen the light...You ask me to tell you about my Cyprus visit...What I found were some very decent and hospitable GCs,and my ancestral village,my house of birth,and most other houses I lived in in the South in ruins...I had blocked my feelings on that visit to protect myself,but I guess the pain and trauma have broken through...I had enough of salt being rubbed into my wounds,by those who accuse me of "gaining against their loss"...I have lost everything that ever meant anything to me in Cyprus...
I have also come to the realisation that in Cyprus it is not the people that make the difference,but what is entrenched in the two community's collective consciousness...In that lies deep rooted prejudices and brainwashing which must be challenged if we will be free of the past to go forward...This is what I am doing...When a majority of the GCs can say,without any qualification,that ENOSIS with Greece dream was wrong and the cause of all our troubles,we will have some hope of a solution...When the extend of the TC plight is acknowledged and the responsiblity of the whole debarkle put on the right causes we can talk about democracy and human rights...Until then they are just hollow words on deaf ears...

[Piratis]

This is no laughing matter GR!
There are many who feel the same "Greek fire" in their veins on this Forum...Your mate Oracle and the other Champion of "Cyprus is Greek" brigade, Piratis,and dear old Epsilon come readily to mind...

What do you have to say to them????Come on be a MAN,not a mouse...

Yup let us ignore metaphorical fire... we who faced the bombardments and Napalm of the Turks!

Yeah..Poor innocent Greeks...You did nothing to screw up my homeland...Turkey just felt like using you as target practice...Go sell your wares elsewhere you silly Greek... (New era on CF,what???)

Now that you've put your geo-strategic mind to the task, I want you to think clearly and tell us if Turkey would have left Cyprus alone had it been ran by Tibetan monks and there were no TC's on the island.

I forget who said "even if there were no TC's on Cyprus, Turkey would still impose its rights over the island." (perhaps you can remind us Bir)

The fact that the cretins leading us did nothing to help this situation simply made things worse. However the next person that insists that Turkey simply "reacted" rather than plan in Cyprus should go for another round of schooling.

There is no need for theoretical questions when history already gives the answer. The first time the Turks invaded our island there was not even a single TC in Cyprus.

The TC minority was simply the pawn and the excuse that the foreign Imperialists used in order to deny to Cyprus its freedom and maintain in this way troops and control over our island which is of strategic significance to them.

Cyprus has seen many invaders in the past. What changed is that in the 20th century of the United Nations and recognition of Human Rights, the Imperialists were not free to invade whenever they felt like. They now need some excuse. (e.g. Americans invading Iraq due to "WMD" supposdedly, while everybody knows that control of oil is the real reason). The TC minority created the excuse as they were instructed by Turkey, and as a reward the Imperialists granted to this minority privileges and gains on the expense of the majority of the population.

[boomerang]

This is no laughing matter GR!
There are many who feel the same "Greek fire" in their veins on this Forum...Your mate Oracle and the other Champion of "Cyprus is Greek" brigade, Piratis,and dear old Epsilon come readily to mind...

What do you have to say to them????Come on be a MAN,not a mouse...

I am not sure where you going with this bir...we also, OZ, had our share of nationalism..pauline hansen springs to mind with nationalistic speeches that got her into parliament, enabling her to make the now defunct speech in parliament...or the kkk for a matter of fact...

cast your mind back and tell me how these movements are defeated...

the answer while having a freedom of speech and expression rights, nationalism is only defeated through democracy, human rights and rule of law...pity the cypriots seemed forever to be fragmanted and manipulated...

cypriots need to speak with a one voice...division will never work coz, it plays havoc with fragmented minds...

PS...but on the flip side welcome to the club of nationalism and coockoo politics with your new buddies...

If you can't beat them,you will have to join them,Boomers...If you want to continue the fight that is...It is obvious to me now that the EOKA struugle for ENOSIS with Greece is very much alive and these days it is wearing a democracy and human rights cloak...Not until these fanatics come to terms with the fact that the germinal cause for our present problems was the ENOSIS dream,will I believe anything they say...

Dont confuse the shallow and materialistic "nationalism" of Pauline Hanson in Australia with the deep rooted ENOSIS desire and the associated hatred and bitterness towards the TCs that run in many hearts and minds in Cyprus...

oh i forgot bir the inter communal fights of othrs take second place when it comes to tcs...

one major factor that you seemed to forget is if every single gc was against the tcs we wouldn't be talking today and you would be basking in anatolia as we speak...

obviously this didn't happen adds further proof that not all were vicious as now you have taken the opinion of the nationalists...

as far as nationalism is concerned, it takes many forms and one was pauline hanse's statement, that caused an uproar and condemnation by all...

the pauline hansen of this world was defeated, sensibly, by all and proof was in the ballot in the following election...

democracy, human rights and rule of law prevailed at the end of the day...

there is no scale for nationalism bir, good luck in joining the nationalist movement...and keeping the flame alive...but really where is the gain?...

the way i see it with people taking sides for a non starter discussion is that the end result will be cyprus will still be cyprus and the tcs disappearing to turkey...as your newly aquire buddies claim, you will be reverting back to your roots...good luck...

keep on denouncing democracy, human rights and the rule of law and keep the flame for ever burning...

cast your mind back to your cyprus visit and tell me of your experience...

ps...do not be in a hurry to dismiss other peoples nationalism as shallow...nationalism is nationalism...you owe to look up the meaning of the word...

You don't seem to understand,mate. I have joined no nationalist movement..If anything I am Cypriot nationalist...But I have seen the light...You ask me to tell you about my Cyprus visit...What I found were some very decent and hospitable GCs,and my ancestral village,my house of birth,and most other houses I lived in in the South in ruins...I had blocked my feelings on that visit to protect myself,but I guess the pain and trauma have broken through...I had enough of salt being rubbed into my wounds,by those who accuse me of "gaining against their loss"...I have lost everything that ever meant anything to me in Cyprus...
I have also come to the realisation that in Cyprus it is not the people that make the difference,but what is entrenched in the two community's collective consciousness...In that lies deep rooted prejudices and brainwashing which must be challenged if we will be free of the past to go forward...This is what I am doing...When a majority of the GCs can say,without any qualification,that ENOSIS with Greece dream was wrong and the cause of all our troubles,we will have some hope of a solution...When the extend of the TC plight is acknowledged and the responsiblity of the whole debarkle put on the right causes we can talk about democracy and human rights...Until then they are just hollow words on deaf ears...

firstly, the land still belongs to you, and not sold to any cheapskate that came along, and secondly, what?... you expected the government to keep the maintanance?...are you for real?...if you feel bad about the status of your house, can you then imagine how you would have felt if it was sold off, and then having the piss taken out of you as we see by the antics of the cheapskates in this forum and on c44?...you really need to get a grib here bir...

I am not an enosis supporter and beleive in the cypriot nation dream, but ask youself these questions...why are the nations that got liberated decided ther own future and why hatay was reverted back to turkey via a ref?...why not a ref in Cyprus?...so i am not quite sure as you labelling as wrong...for starters lets lokk at greece and her flourishing minorities and then look at turkey's...chalk and cheese wouldn't you say?...actually look at all western worlds minorities and compare to turkey...

you talk about moving forward, even though today, you live in a democracy, human rights and the rule of law, you are unwilling to demand the same for your homeland...go figure...

...i do not buy into the turkey never wanted a bar of cyprus, that is a myth in todays world...turkey had her eyes on cyprus for a long time...even dektash admitted this and him being in a better position than you, unfortunately i have no choice but believe him over you...

further more you need to accept the divisive actions of the UK in promising enosis a number of times...

as i said before and yo never responded...if every gc wanted the tcs out, you would be sipping turkish coffee today in anatolia and we wouldn't be discussing a cyprom, coz there wouldn't be one...you need to understand a few on both sides fucked it up for the rest...the trck is to join the majority and not divide them fueling further problems...

if push came to a shove you will get your partition, settelrs will move to the north, tcs will move to the south, and enjor a unitary country, with MINORITY rights...something you are dreading today...sorry but you really need a reality bite...

only way is to unite, adopt democracy, human rights and rule of law...

PS...bir when you say you repented to VP, and having him cheering you, you have joined the nationalistic movement...

[Oracle]

.Turkey had washed her hands of Cyprus and the TCs in 1923...Dr Kuchuk and Denktas and their fellow nationalists,with the help of Britain and the USA,had to drag Turkey into the quickmire that is Cyprus,kicking and screeeming,mid 50s....Just after the EOKA struggle begun...And that was not a mere coincidence...If you believe that Turkish soldiers would be in Cyprus now without your glorious ENOSIS dream,you ought to go back to school yourself...

If Turkey had indeed washed her hands of Cyprus in 1923, what made her dirty them again? The "dream" of Enosis - along with independence - did not begin in the 50s!

[Piratis]

If Cyprus could be part of the Ottoman or British empires against the will of the Cypriot people, then why couldn't Cyprus be part of the Greek Republic which is what the vast majority of the population wanted?

We would continue to live together and in peace with the TC minority as we did during the 80 years of British rule. But now instead of being British subjects we would all become equal Greek citizens. We had nothing against the TC minority, just like we had nothing against any of the other minorities in Cyprus. Our struggle was against the Colonialists and not against the TCs. The conflict with the TCs started only when the TCs attacked us, burning the homes and shops of innocent people and massacring others. And as I showed in my previous post this was done after instructions from Turkey, promising to the TC minority gains on our expense if they helped them to defeat our revolution.

When a majority of the GCs can say,without any qualification,that ENOSIS with Greece dream was wrong and the cause of all our troubles,we will have some hope of a solution

The above quote is a good example of the trap that the Turks want us to fall in.

They are the ones who have most of the responsibility of what happened to Cyprus since they are the ones who initiated all wars and conflicts against us, starting from 1571 and continuing to 1958 and 1974 in their attempt to enslave and control our island.

We did take part in those wars and conflicts they started against us and they did suffer and had casualties as well, but putting most of the blame on us is like blaming the allies for WWII because the Germans and the Japanese had casualties and suffered during the wars they started.

Our cause for union with the rest of Greece was 100% legitimate. The UN resolution 1541 defines "free association with an independent State, integration into an independent State, or independence as the three legitimate options of full self-government."
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

Who was wrong was not the Cypriot people for asking for their legitimate rights, but the Turks and the British who refused those rights to us because they wanted to maintain troops and control over our island.

Now Bir wants us to take all the responsibility for everything. And maybe some Cypriots are enticed by his proposal. They might think "hey, lets just accept whatever the Turks say about the past, what we care about is the future, not the accuracy of what happened in history". But as I said this is a trap. Because once they convince us to accept their lies, the next thing we will hear from them will not be "OK, lets have a united Cyprus with no borders and no discriminations" but instead it will be "OK, now you accepted that you are the evil ones who caused everything, our demands to stay separate from you in our own Turkish state, with gains of land and power on your expense and with Turkish 'guarantees' should make perfect sense". Don't fall in their trap.

Maintaining the accuracy of historical events is critical for a weak side like ours fighting against a much more powerful invader. While we want to punish nobody for what happened in the past, we should not allow others to fake our history and use that as an excuse to justify yet more crimes against us.

[yialousa1971]

I start the march blustering, and I lay my hand on the fire. Prophecies by wise men said that creeps will broach me.
With my grey suit (it means the Greek Orthodox suit of monks and priests) I am apprenticing and I worship the Holy God. I adulterate the truth and thus I proceed steady!

But I did not believe, I reversed everyone, I am the Greek that fights. They said I was lost, they blocked my way, I left on my own, however I survived, I lived through the fire.
Fire burns in my heart, but there is always the danger of blanking out.
From the honey of bitterness, which pours like heavy rain.

And I moved on, words of the rest I did not believe! I am the Greek that passes (everone and everything). They told me not to ask, excuses not to seek. I lived on my own, into fire!
But I did not believe, I reversed everyone, I am the Greek that fights. They said I was lost, they blocked my way, I left on my own, however I survived, I lived through the fire.

I do not stop, reasons to find, I am the Greek that fights! They told I was lost, they blocked my way, I was left alone, however I survived, I lived into the fire!!!

Oh I forgot this.

[Oracle]

I start the march blustering, and I lay my hand on the fire. Prophecies by wise men said that creeps will broach me.
With my grey suit (it means the Greek Orthodox suit of monks and priests) I am apprenticing and I worship the Holy God. I adulterate the truth and thus I proceed steady!

But I did not believe, I reversed everyone, I am the Greek that fights. They said I was lost, they blocked my way, I left on my own, however I survived, I lived through the fire.
Fire burns in my heart, but there is always the danger of blanking out.
From the honey of bitterness, which pours like heavy rain.

And I moved on, words of the rest I did not believe! I am the Greek that passes (everone and everything). They told me not to ask, excuses not to seek. I lived on my own, into fire!
But I did not believe, I reversed everyone, I am the Greek that fights. They said I was lost, they blocked my way, I left on my own, however I survived, I lived through the fire.

I do not stop, reasons to find, I am the Greek that fights! They told I was lost, they blocked my way, I was left alone, however I survived, I lived into the fire!!!

Oh I forgot this.

Look at that! Choirokitians acting and sounding just like Greeks

[Cap]

My Gawd.. another Greko Mongoloid thread...