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[YFred]

Why people keep going on about this I never know.

as stated previously, Punch or Judy, both are Phucking puppets to Ankara, so makes no difference.

we will have a solution when and only when Ankara fucks off.

problem solved.

yeah??? And when do you think Ankara will fuck off,and who is going to make them???Do you really believe if the GCs do not accept a BBF with political equality,Turkey will ever get out???

B25...Wishful thinking is one thing,reality is another...When you accept the role of ENOSIS in Cyprob,and show some empathy and compassion for the plight of the TCs during the 60s and early 70s,and realise that it is unrealistic to expect the TCs to give up their own state without being guaranteed political equality,that will be the beginning of the end of the Turkish presence in Cyprus...Lets get our heads out of the sand before our country is permanently divided between The fanatical Greek Cypriots and Turkey...

do you actually believe turkey will ever get out of cyprus?...regardless of any deal turkey is staying put...

as far as enosis/plight of tcs the jury is stiull out on this one bir...

the only losers in the long term will be the tcs...you wanna save your culture, you need to think your future resides with the gcs, anything else is a wet dream...

with that in mind keep on harping about what you want and stop voicing losing our homeland, coz the only homeland you gonna get with your demands is a unitary sttate in the free areas...

you keep on voicing democracy, human rights and rule of law is a minority ploy, well even if we go by your logic does that mean even if we have a bbf does that mean that democracy, human rights and rule of law is gonna be thrown out the door in the northern state?...

save that i am greek bir...

YES,Turkey will have to get out of Cyprus when a comprehensive solution is found...She has no choice...I am a realist these days,Boomers...I know that for the TCs to accept a BBF with political equality but single sovereinty
they need to trust the majority GCs...For that they need to know that the GCs know and are remorseful about what happened between 1955 and 1974....

The Nothern state will of course be democratic,at least as democratic as the Southern state...The key will be to leave enough room for close cooperation between the communities at the Federal level,to facilitate trust and respect in the long run...After that it will be plain sailing...

For geopolitical reasons Turkey will always have strong interest in Cyprus..It would be silly to deny it..But that interest can be minimised and managed by a strong government in the North,securely established within the EU...After all nobody asked the Greeks to come and settle in Cyprus,did they???

bir what the blacks experienced in the US far outweighs what the tcs experienced in cyprus, but here we are having a black president in the US...all this was achieved with democracy, human rights and rule of law...still today there are forces in the US against these basic human rights...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ghg7gJC6-Ik-vD1CDZfpE2Tn6NkAD9F25MBO0

firstly you say turkey needs to get of cyprus and then you say turkey has strong interests on cyprus...kind of contradicting yourself...

you seemed to be stuck on the 55 to 74...but you seemed to forget the crimes at 74 when 180,000 were forced out of their homes...now you want to keep what you got and on top you want apologies?...are you for real?...

the only way i see out of this impass, is a system that is build on equality but not segregation and an apathied system...political equality does not and should not mean segregation and an apatheid solution...

you want the gcs to trust you, but the tcs to this very day are taking orders from anakara, the latest talat proposals quite clearly show this...

you say turkey is gonna leave cyprus when a solution is found, but here we are turkey dictating the solution...if the tcs haven't got a free a hand in a solution what makes you think the tcs will not be controlled by turkey...

you say you want a strong government in the north, but what happens if and when a directive from the EU comes along the lines barring all trade or anything with turkey...what would the tc position be?...

my way of thinking is turkey to have influence on cyprus she is going about it the wrong the way...she should take a lesson out of japan and buy her influence from trade...but then again this is another story...

yeah noone asked adam if he wanted any offsprings with eve, but here we bir...

Would you Adam and Eve it?
Well of course Turkey has interests in Cyprus on account that it was stolen from her by the Brits. There is two ways to live with your neighbours, nicely or at war. Take you pick you horrible little man.

Turkey originally rented it to the Brits, so they can't have been that interested, what?

Really, so if I rent your house, I can then tell you to piss off too whenever I wish? Interesting concept. You guys are way behind the times. We live with realities, and you lot are head in the sand bum in the air brigade.

I wouldn't put my bum in the air with you around, what?

That's not the impression you give on the forum. It sounds like it's the national patriotic past time in the southern lands.

[boomerang]

Why people keep going on about this I never know.

as stated previously, Punch or Judy, both are Phucking puppets to Ankara, so makes no difference.

we will have a solution when and only when Ankara fucks off.

problem solved.

yeah??? And when do you think Ankara will fuck off,and who is going to make them???Do you really believe if the GCs do not accept a BBF with political equality,Turkey will ever get out???

B25...Wishful thinking is one thing,reality is another...When you accept the role of ENOSIS in Cyprob,and show some empathy and compassion for the plight of the TCs during the 60s and early 70s,and realise that it is unrealistic to expect the TCs to give up their own state without being guaranteed political equality,that will be the beginning of the end of the Turkish presence in Cyprus...Lets get our heads out of the sand before our country is permanently divided between The fanatical Greek Cypriots and Turkey...

do you actually believe turkey will ever get out of cyprus?...regardless of any deal turkey is staying put...

as far as enosis/plight of tcs the jury is stiull out on this one bir...

the only losers in the long term will be the tcs...you wanna save your culture, you need to think your future resides with the gcs, anything else is a wet dream...

with that in mind keep on harping about what you want and stop voicing losing our homeland, coz the only homeland you gonna get with your demands is a unitary sttate in the free areas...

you keep on voicing democracy, human rights and rule of law is a minority ploy, well even if we go by your logic does that mean even if we have a bbf does that mean that democracy, human rights and rule of law is gonna be thrown out the door in the northern state?...

save that i am greek bir...

YES,Turkey will have to get out of Cyprus when a comprehensive solution is found...She has no choice...I am a realist these days,Boomers...I know that for the TCs to accept a BBF with political equality but single sovereinty
they need to trust the majority GCs...For that they need to know that the GCs know and are remorseful about what happened between 1955 and 1974....

The Nothern state will of course be democratic,at least as democratic as the Southern state...The key will be to leave enough room for close cooperation between the communities at the Federal level,to facilitate trust and respect in the long run...After that it will be plain sailing...

For geopolitical reasons Turkey will always have strong interest in Cyprus..It would be silly to deny it..But that interest can be minimised and managed by a strong government in the North,securely established within the EU...After all nobody asked the Greeks to come and settle in Cyprus,did they???

bir what the blacks experienced in the US far outweighs what the tcs experienced in cyprus, but here we are having a black president in the US...all this was achieved with democracy, human rights and rule of law...still today there are forces in the US against these basic human rights...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ghg7gJC6-Ik-vD1CDZfpE2Tn6NkAD9F25MBO0

firstly you say turkey needs to get of cyprus and then you say turkey has strong interests on cyprus...kind of contradicting yourself...

you seemed to be stuck on the 55 to 74...but you seemed to forget the crimes at 74 when 180,000 were forced out of their homes...now you want to keep what you got and on top you want apologies?...are you for real?...

the only way i see out of this impass, is a system that is build on equality but not segregation and an apathied system...political equality does not and should not mean segregation and an apatheid solution...

you want the gcs to trust you, but the tcs to this very day are taking orders from anakara, the latest talat proposals quite clearly show this...

you say turkey is gonna leave cyprus when a solution is found, but here we are turkey dictating the solution...if the tcs haven't got a free a hand in a solution what makes you think the tcs will not be controlled by turkey...

you say you want a strong government in the north, but what happens if and when a directive from the EU comes along the lines barring all trade or anything with turkey...what would the tc position be?...

my way of thinking is turkey to have influence on cyprus she is going about it the wrong the way...she should take a lesson out of japan and buy her influence from trade...but then again this is another story...

yeah noone asked adam if he wanted any offsprings with eve, but here we bir...

Would you Adam and Eve it?
Well of course Turkey has interests in Cyprus on account that it was stolen from her by the Brits. There is two ways to live with your neighbours, nicely or at war. Take you pick you horrible little man.

you need to get to know your history knucklehead...it was rented from the otto boys but the the otto boys ceazed to exist...refer to ataturk as he made the deal when turkey was born?...in 1878 there was no turkey, the otto boys lost a lot more than cyprus during their break up...as i said earlier comprehension/intelligence is not part of your forte quite clearly showned by your reply...

[boomerang]

Why people keep going on about this I never know.

as stated previously, Punch or Judy, both are Phucking puppets to Ankara, so makes no difference.

we will have a solution when and only when Ankara fucks off.

problem solved.

yeah??? And when do you think Ankara will fuck off,and who is going to make them???Do you really believe if the GCs do not accept a BBF with political equality,Turkey will ever get out???

B25...Wishful thinking is one thing,reality is another...When you accept the role of ENOSIS in Cyprob,and show some empathy and compassion for the plight of the TCs during the 60s and early 70s,and realise that it is unrealistic to expect the TCs to give up their own state without being guaranteed political equality,that will be the beginning of the end of the Turkish presence in Cyprus...Lets get our heads out of the sand before our country is permanently divided between The fanatical Greek Cypriots and Turkey...

do you actually believe turkey will ever get out of cyprus?...regardless of any deal turkey is staying put...

as far as enosis/plight of tcs the jury is stiull out on this one bir...

the only losers in the long term will be the tcs...you wanna save your culture, you need to think your future resides with the gcs, anything else is a wet dream...

with that in mind keep on harping about what you want and stop voicing losing our homeland, coz the only homeland you gonna get with your demands is a unitary sttate in the free areas...

you keep on voicing democracy, human rights and rule of law is a minority ploy, well even if we go by your logic does that mean even if we have a bbf does that mean that democracy, human rights and rule of law is gonna be thrown out the door in the northern state?...

save that i am greek bir...

YES,Turkey will have to get out of Cyprus when a comprehensive solution is found...She has no choice...I am a realist these days,Boomers...I know that for the TCs to accept a BBF with political equality but single sovereinty
they need to trust the majority GCs...For that they need to know that the GCs know and are remorseful about what happened between 1955 and 1974....

The Nothern state will of course be democratic,at least as democratic as the Southern state...The key will be to leave enough room for close cooperation between the communities at the Federal level,to facilitate trust and respect in the long run...After that it will be plain sailing...

For geopolitical reasons Turkey will always have strong interest in Cyprus..It would be silly to deny it..But that interest can be minimised and managed by a strong government in the North,securely established within the EU...After all nobody asked the Greeks to come and settle in Cyprus,did they???

bir what the blacks experienced in the US far outweighs what the tcs experienced in cyprus, but here we are having a black president in the US...all this was achieved with democracy, human rights and rule of law...still today there are forces in the US against these basic human rights...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ghg7gJC6-Ik-vD1CDZfpE2Tn6NkAD9F25MBO0

firstly you say turkey needs to get of cyprus and then you say turkey has strong interests on cyprus...kind of contradicting yourself...

you seemed to be stuck on the 55 to 74...but you seemed to forget the crimes at 74 when 180,000 were forced out of their homes...now you want to keep what you got and on top you want apologies?...are you for real?...

the only way i see out of this impass, is a system that is build on equality but not segregation and an apathied system...political equality does not and should not mean segregation and an apatheid solution...

you want the gcs to trust you, but the tcs to this very day are taking orders from anakara, the latest talat proposals quite clearly show this...

you say turkey is gonna leave cyprus when a solution is found, but here we are turkey dictating the solution...if the tcs haven't got a free a hand in a solution what makes you think the tcs will not be controlled by turkey...

you say you want a strong government in the north, but what happens if and when a directive from the EU comes along the lines barring all trade or anything with turkey...what would the tc position be?...

my way of thinking is turkey to have influence on cyprus she is going about it the wrong the way...she should take a lesson out of japan and buy her influence from trade...but then again this is another story...

yeah noone asked adam if he wanted any offsprings with eve, but here we bir...

Would you Adam and Eve it?
Well of course Turkey has interests in Cyprus on account that it was stolen from her by the Brits. There is two ways to live with your neighbours, nicely or at war. Take you pick you horrible little man.

Turkey originally rented it to the Brits, so they can't have been that interested, what?

Really, so if I rent your house, I can then tell you to piss off too whenever I wish? Interesting concept. You guys are way behind the times. We live with realities, and you lot are head in the sand bum in the air brigade.

no in true otto boy tradition you do not rent you go in, kick everyone out and take over...then you call it yours...and call it possession is nine tenths of the law...

you know what you have been promoting in the past...

[YFred]

Why people keep going on about this I never know.

as stated previously, Punch or Judy, both are Phucking puppets to Ankara, so makes no difference.

we will have a solution when and only when Ankara fucks off.

problem solved.

yeah??? And when do you think Ankara will fuck off,and who is going to make them???Do you really believe if the GCs do not accept a BBF with political equality,Turkey will ever get out???

B25...Wishful thinking is one thing,reality is another...When you accept the role of ENOSIS in Cyprob,and show some empathy and compassion for the plight of the TCs during the 60s and early 70s,and realise that it is unrealistic to expect the TCs to give up their own state without being guaranteed political equality,that will be the beginning of the end of the Turkish presence in Cyprus...Lets get our heads out of the sand before our country is permanently divided between The fanatical Greek Cypriots and Turkey...

do you actually believe turkey will ever get out of cyprus?...regardless of any deal turkey is staying put...

as far as enosis/plight of tcs the jury is stiull out on this one bir...

the only losers in the long term will be the tcs...you wanna save your culture, you need to think your future resides with the gcs, anything else is a wet dream...

with that in mind keep on harping about what you want and stop voicing losing our homeland, coz the only homeland you gonna get with your demands is a unitary sttate in the free areas...

you keep on voicing democracy, human rights and rule of law is a minority ploy, well even if we go by your logic does that mean even if we have a bbf does that mean that democracy, human rights and rule of law is gonna be thrown out the door in the northern state?...

save that i am greek bir...

YES,Turkey will have to get out of Cyprus when a comprehensive solution is found...She has no choice...I am a realist these days,Boomers...I know that for the TCs to accept a BBF with political equality but single sovereinty
they need to trust the majority GCs...For that they need to know that the GCs know and are remorseful about what happened between 1955 and 1974....

The Nothern state will of course be democratic,at least as democratic as the Southern state...The key will be to leave enough room for close cooperation between the communities at the Federal level,to facilitate trust and respect in the long run...After that it will be plain sailing...

For geopolitical reasons Turkey will always have strong interest in Cyprus..It would be silly to deny it..But that interest can be minimised and managed by a strong government in the North,securely established within the EU...After all nobody asked the Greeks to come and settle in Cyprus,did they???

bir what the blacks experienced in the US far outweighs what the tcs experienced in cyprus, but here we are having a black president in the US...all this was achieved with democracy, human rights and rule of law...still today there are forces in the US against these basic human rights...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ghg7gJC6-Ik-vD1CDZfpE2Tn6NkAD9F25MBO0

firstly you say turkey needs to get of cyprus and then you say turkey has strong interests on cyprus...kind of contradicting yourself...

you seemed to be stuck on the 55 to 74...but you seemed to forget the crimes at 74 when 180,000 were forced out of their homes...now you want to keep what you got and on top you want apologies?...are you for real?...

the only way i see out of this impass, is a system that is build on equality but not segregation and an apathied system...political equality does not and should not mean segregation and an apatheid solution...

you want the gcs to trust you, but the tcs to this very day are taking orders from anakara, the latest talat proposals quite clearly show this...

you say turkey is gonna leave cyprus when a solution is found, but here we are turkey dictating the solution...if the tcs haven't got a free a hand in a solution what makes you think the tcs will not be controlled by turkey...

you say you want a strong government in the north, but what happens if and when a directive from the EU comes along the lines barring all trade or anything with turkey...what would the tc position be?...

my way of thinking is turkey to have influence on cyprus she is going about it the wrong the way...she should take a lesson out of japan and buy her influence from trade...but then again this is another story...

yeah noone asked adam if he wanted any offsprings with eve, but here we bir...

Would you Adam and Eve it?
Well of course Turkey has interests in Cyprus on account that it was stolen from her by the Brits. There is two ways to live with your neighbours, nicely or at war. Take you pick you horrible little man.

Turkey originally rented it to the Brits, so they can't have been that interested, what?

Really, so if I rent your house, I can then tell you to piss off too whenever I wish? Interesting concept. You guys are way behind the times. We live with realities, and you lot are head in the sand bum in the air brigade.

no in true otto boy tradition you do not rent you go in, kick everyone out and take over...then you call it yours...and call it possession is nine tenths of the law...

you know what you have been promoting in the past...

Where I live, that is the law, quoted by lawyers. Sometimes it is referred to as Sitting Tenant too, which is ironic which is exactly what you did dumbo, sat right on it, bulls eye, what?
Bums up.

[BirKibrisli]

The solution in Cyprus,if and when it comes,would depend on the realities on the ground PLUS the dictates of geopolitical power struggles...Turkey will always have a strong interest in Cyprus...The only way to limit or curtail Turkey's interest is to agree to a solution which would facilitate Turkey's withdrawal of her soldiers,AND make the TCs less and less dependent on Turkey for their financial survival...The way to ensure continuation and increasing of Turkey's infuence is to let the status quo continue...The GCs do not have long to decide which way to go...Withing 15 years the status quo will become permanent...As Putin said regarding Abhazia " They need no other recognition but Russia's...!"

[boomerang]

The solution in Cyprus,if and when it comes,would depend on the realities on the ground PLUS the dictates of geopolitical power struggles...Turkey will always have a strong interest in Cyprus...The only way to limit or curtail Turkey's interest is to agree to a solution which would facilitate Turkey's withdrawal of her soldiers,AND make the TCs less and less dependent on Turkey for their financial survival...The way to ensure continuation and increasing of Turkey's infuence is to let the status quo continue...The GCs do not have long to decide which way to go...Withing 15 years the status quo will become permanent...As Putin said regarding Abhazia " They need no other recognition but Russia's...!"

The solution in Cyprus,if and when it comes,would depend on the realities on the ground PLUS the dictates of geopolitical power struggles

with what you are saying solutions will come and go, similar to what piradis is saying...today this tomorrow that...

get it throw your bir turkey ain't going nowhere and makes it it easy for them to stay as most tcs have become complacent with the current situation...

if partition becomes a reality then the tcs have one helluva to lose, unless ofcourse you subscribe to the minority will eventually assimilate the majority...a non starter really...

with tc complacency eventually more tcs will move to the free areas, become residents and then accept thier minority status...

between you, me and the goalpost you waiting for turkey to get the perfect plan is a myth when turkey dictates tothe tcs what kind a solution she wants which in turn is a non starter with the gcs...like you keep on saying the tcs are not comfortable with the past regarding gcs so arethe gcs with turkey, this you will have to understand...

if turkey wanted a solution it would have been found long ago...but even today the tcs have lost their voice...

[boomerang]

Why people keep going on about this I never know.

as stated previously, Punch or Judy, both are Phucking puppets to Ankara, so makes no difference.

we will have a solution when and only when Ankara fucks off.

problem solved.

yeah??? And when do you think Ankara will fuck off,and who is going to make them???Do you really believe if the GCs do not accept a BBF with political equality,Turkey will ever get out???

B25...Wishful thinking is one thing,reality is another...When you accept the role of ENOSIS in Cyprob,and show some empathy and compassion for the plight of the TCs during the 60s and early 70s,and realise that it is unrealistic to expect the TCs to give up their own state without being guaranteed political equality,that will be the beginning of the end of the Turkish presence in Cyprus...Lets get our heads out of the sand before our country is permanently divided between The fanatical Greek Cypriots and Turkey...

do you actually believe turkey will ever get out of cyprus?...regardless of any deal turkey is staying put...

as far as enosis/plight of tcs the jury is stiull out on this one bir...

the only losers in the long term will be the tcs...you wanna save your culture, you need to think your future resides with the gcs, anything else is a wet dream...

with that in mind keep on harping about what you want and stop voicing losing our homeland, coz the only homeland you gonna get with your demands is a unitary sttate in the free areas...

you keep on voicing democracy, human rights and rule of law is a minority ploy, well even if we go by your logic does that mean even if we have a bbf does that mean that democracy, human rights and rule of law is gonna be thrown out the door in the northern state?...

save that i am greek bir...

YES,Turkey will have to get out of Cyprus when a comprehensive solution is found...She has no choice...I am a realist these days,Boomers...I know that for the TCs to accept a BBF with political equality but single sovereinty
they need to trust the majority GCs...For that they need to know that the GCs know and are remorseful about what happened between 1955 and 1974....

The Nothern state will of course be democratic,at least as democratic as the Southern state...The key will be to leave enough room for close cooperation between the communities at the Federal level,to facilitate trust and respect in the long run...After that it will be plain sailing...

For geopolitical reasons Turkey will always have strong interest in Cyprus..It would be silly to deny it..But that interest can be minimised and managed by a strong government in the North,securely established within the EU...After all nobody asked the Greeks to come and settle in Cyprus,did they???

bir what the blacks experienced in the US far outweighs what the tcs experienced in cyprus, but here we are having a black president in the US...all this was achieved with democracy, human rights and rule of law...still today there are forces in the US against these basic human rights...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ghg7gJC6-Ik-vD1CDZfpE2Tn6NkAD9F25MBO0

firstly you say turkey needs to get of cyprus and then you say turkey has strong interests on cyprus...kind of contradicting yourself...

you seemed to be stuck on the 55 to 74...but you seemed to forget the crimes at 74 when 180,000 were forced out of their homes...now you want to keep what you got and on top you want apologies?...are you for real?...

the only way i see out of this impass, is a system that is build on equality but not segregation and an apathied system...political equality does not and should not mean segregation and an apatheid solution...

you want the gcs to trust you, but the tcs to this very day are taking orders from anakara, the latest talat proposals quite clearly show this...

you say turkey is gonna leave cyprus when a solution is found, but here we are turkey dictating the solution...if the tcs haven't got a free a hand in a solution what makes you think the tcs will not be controlled by turkey...

you say you want a strong government in the north, but what happens if and when a directive from the EU comes along the lines barring all trade or anything with turkey...what would the tc position be?...

my way of thinking is turkey to have influence on cyprus she is going about it the wrong the way...she should take a lesson out of japan and buy her influence from trade...but then again this is another story...

yeah noone asked adam if he wanted any offsprings with eve, but here we bir...

Would you Adam and Eve it?
Well of course Turkey has interests in Cyprus on account that it was stolen from her by the Brits. There is two ways to live with your neighbours, nicely or at war. Take you pick you horrible little man.

Turkey originally rented it to the Brits, so they can't have been that interested, what?

Really, so if I rent your house, I can then tell you to piss off too whenever I wish? Interesting concept. You guys are way behind the times. We live with realities, and you lot are head in the sand bum in the air brigade.

no in true otto boy tradition you do not rent you go in, kick everyone out and take over...then you call it yours...and call it possession is nine tenths of the law...

you know what you have been promoting in the past...

Where I live, that is the law, quoted by lawyers. Sometimes it is referred to as Sitting Tenant too, which is ironic which is exactly what you did dumbo, sat right on it, bulls eye, what?
Bums up.

as i keep on reminding you comprehension and intelligence do not go hand in hand in your case...

[boomerang]

bir how about continouing the discussion...

Why people keep going on about this I never know.

as stated previously, Punch or Judy, both are Phucking puppets to Ankara, so makes no difference.

we will have a solution when and only when Ankara fucks off.

problem solved.

yeah??? And when do you think Ankara will fuck off,and who is going to make them???Do you really believe if the GCs do not accept a BBF with political equality,Turkey will ever get out???

B25...Wishful thinking is one thing,reality is another...When you accept the role of ENOSIS in Cyprob,and show some empathy and compassion for the plight of the TCs during the 60s and early 70s,and realise that it is unrealistic to expect the TCs to give up their own state without being guaranteed political equality,that will be the beginning of the end of the Turkish presence in Cyprus...Lets get our heads out of the sand before our country is permanently divided between The fanatical Greek Cypriots and Turkey...

do you actually believe turkey will ever get out of cyprus?...regardless of any deal turkey is staying put...

as far as enosis/plight of tcs the jury is stiull out on this one bir...

the only losers in the long term will be the tcs...you wanna save your culture, you need to think your future resides with the gcs, anything else is a wet dream...

with that in mind keep on harping about what you want and stop voicing losing our homeland, coz the only homeland you gonna get with your demands is a unitary sttate in the free areas...

you keep on voicing democracy, human rights and rule of law is a minority ploy, well even if we go by your logic does that mean even if we have a bbf does that mean that democracy, human rights and rule of law is gonna be thrown out the door in the northern state?...

save that i am greek bir...

YES,Turkey will have to get out of Cyprus when a comprehensive solution is found...She has no choice...I am a realist these days,Boomers...I know that for the TCs to accept a BBF with political equality but single sovereinty
they need to trust the majority GCs...For that they need to know that the GCs know and are remorseful about what happened between 1955 and 1974....

The Nothern state will of course be democratic,at least as democratic as the Southern state...The key will be to leave enough room for close cooperation between the communities at the Federal level,to facilitate trust and respect in the long run...After that it will be plain sailing...

For geopolitical reasons Turkey will always have strong interest in Cyprus..It would be silly to deny it..But that interest can be minimised and managed by a strong government in the North,securely established within the EU...After all nobody asked the Greeks to come and settle in Cyprus,did they???

bir what the blacks experienced in the US far outweighs what the tcs experienced in cyprus, but here we are having a black president in the US...all this was achieved with democracy, human rights and rule of law...still today there are forces in the US against these basic human rights...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ghg7gJC6-Ik-vD1CDZfpE2Tn6NkAD9F25MBO0

firstly you say turkey needs to get of cyprus and then you say turkey has strong interests on cyprus...kind of contradicting yourself...

you seemed to be stuck on the 55 to 74...but you seemed to forget the crimes at 74 when 180,000 were forced out of their homes...now you want to keep what you got and on top you want apologies?...are you for real?...

the only way i see out of this impass, is a system that is build on equality but not segregation and an apathied system...political equality does not and should not mean segregation and an apatheid solution...

you want the gcs to trust you, but the tcs to this very day are taking orders from anakara, the latest talat proposals quite clearly show this...

you say turkey is gonna leave cyprus when a solution is found, but here we are turkey dictating the solution...if the tcs haven't got a free a hand in a solution what makes you think the tcs will not be controlled by turkey...

you say you want a strong government in the north, but what happens if and when a directive from the EU comes along the lines barring all trade or anything with turkey...what would the tc position be?...

my way of thinking is turkey to have influence on cyprus she is going about it the wrong the way...she should take a lesson out of japan and buy her influence from trade...but then again this is another story...

yeah noone asked adam if he wanted any offsprings with eve, but here we bir...

[BirKibrisli]

bir what the blacks experienced in the US far outweighs what the tcs experienced in cyprus, but here we are having a black president in the US...all this was achieved with democracy, human rights and rule of law...still today there are forces in the US against these basic human rights...

Boomers,stop harping on about the blacks in the USA...Historically we are like chalk and cheese...You have to get a grip on the reality on the ground...There are 40,000 Turkish troops in Cyprus and as far as the world is concerned they are there to protect the TCs who were hardly done by in the past...All your wishful thinking will not make the TCs say "We want to go back and live with our GC compatriots under democratic rule and humanrights principles"...Especially not when you are in denial of what happened in our recent past,and keep calling TCs names like traitors and thieves...Simple common sense would tell you that...

firstly you say turkey needs to get of cyprus and then you say turkey has strong interests on cyprus...kind of contradicting yourself...

Turkey doesnt need to do anything...you are misreading me...Turkey has strong interest in Cyprus and it will always be so...If we want Turkey at arms length we need to give her the incentive to move back...The only way Turkey will move back (because she would have completed her self-stated mission in Cyprus) is if we agree on a permanent and comprehensive solution...Turkey cannot stay in Cyprus when that happens...She will not have an excuse...got it?

you seemed to be stuck on the 55 to 74...but you seemed to forget the crimes at 74 when 180,000 were forced out of their homes...now you want to keep what you got and on top you want apologies?...are you for real?...

I seem to be stuck on the 55 to 74 period because YOU and many others insist on denying the role of ENOSIS and the resulting plight of the TCs during that period...This is the key to Cyprob as far as the TCs are concerned...To even begin to trust you,the TCs must see that you have realised your mistakes and you are showing some kind of remorse...If you keep insisting that Enosis was perfectly legitimate and the TCs had nothing to fear from it,and the whole problem was because the TCs wanted to advance Turkey's territorial ambitions,they will never take you seriously...got it?

the only way i see out of this impass, is a system that is build on equality but not segregation and an apathied system...political equality does not and should not mean segregation and an apatheid solution...

I agree,political equality should not mean segregation and apartheid...
The BBF that I am talking about will give the people a choice to live anywhere they want...The citizens of the states would be equal citizens,and they should have the right to participate fully in the political life at state and federal level... By political equality I understand a system where the self-determination rights of the TCs will always be protected ,and nothing will be imposed on them by the GCs,unless they agree to go along...got it?

you want the gcs to trust you, but the tcs to this very day are taking orders from anakara, the latest talat proposals quite clearly show this...

you say turkey is gonna leave cyprus when a solution is found, but here we are turkey dictating the solution...if the tcs haven't got a free a hand in a solution what makes you think the tcs will not be controlled by turkey...

At the moment the TCs are totally dependent on Turkey for their financial and physical security...They are not in a position to cut Turkey off,while the isolations and the embargoes continue...Turkey is not dictating a solution,she is trying to influence the direction of the solution...Once a solution is reached Turkey has no choice but to step back and let Cypriots get on with their lives...Once The TCs realise they need not worry about the good intentions of the GCs they will not need to be in Turkey's shadow...

you say you want a strong government in the north, but what happens if and when a directive from the EU comes along the lines barring all trade or anything with turkey...what would the tc position be?...

Why should the EU give a direction barring all trade or anything with Turkey??? We have enough real problems without creating imaginary ones boomers...The TCs will aways have a special relationship with Turkey,just as the GCs with Greece...This is nATURAL,AND nothing to be worried about,is it???

[DTA]

bir what the blacks experienced in the US far outweighs what the tcs experienced in cyprus, but here we are having a black president in the US...all this was achieved with democracy, human rights and rule of law...still today there are forces in the US against these basic human rights...

Boomers,stop harping on about the blacks in the USA...Historically we are like chalk and cheese...You have to get a grip on the reality on the ground...There are 40,000 Turkish troops in Cyprus and as far as the world is concerned they are there to protect the TCs who were hardly done by in the past...All your wishful thinking will not make the TCs say "We want to go back and live with our GC compatriots under democratic rule and humanrights principles"...Especially not when you are in denial of what happened in our recent past,and keep calling TCs names like traitors and thieves...Simple common sense would tell you that...

firstly you say turkey needs to get of cyprus and then you say turkey has strong interests on cyprus...kind of contradicting yourself...

Turkey doesnt need to do anything...you are misreading me...Turkey has strong interest in Cyprus and it will always be so...If we want Turkey at arms length we need to give her the incentive to move back...The only way Turkey will move back (because she would have completed her self-stated mission in Cyprus) is if we agree on a permanent and comprehensive solution...Turkey cannot stay in Cyprus when that happens...She will not have an excuse...got it?

you seemed to be stuck on the 55 to 74...but you seemed to forget the crimes at 74 when 180,000 were forced out of their homes...now you want to keep what you got and on top you want apologies?...are you for real?...

I seem to be stuck on the 55 to 74 period because YOU and many others insist on denying the role of ENOSIS and the resulting plight of the TCs during that period...This is the key to Cyprob as far as the TCs are concerned...To even begin to trust you,the TCs must see that you have realised your mistakes and you are showing some kind of remorse...If you keep insisting that Enosis was perfectly legitimate and the TCs had nothing to fear from it,and the whole problem was because the TCs wanted to advance Turkey's territorial ambitions,they will never take you seriously...got it?

the only way i see out of this impass, is a system that is build on equality but not segregation and an apathied system...political equality does not and should not mean segregation and an apatheid solution...

I agree,political equality should not mean segregation and apartheid...
The BBF that I am talking about will give the people a choice to live anywhere they want...The citizens of the states would be equal citizens,and they should have the right to participate fully in the political life at state and federal level... By political equality I understand a system where the self-determination rights of the TCs will always be protected ,and nothing will be imposed on them by the GCs,unless they agree to go along...got it?

you want the gcs to trust you, but the tcs to this very day are taking orders from anakara, the latest talat proposals quite clearly show this...

you say turkey is gonna leave cyprus when a solution is found, but here we are turkey dictating the solution...if the tcs haven't got a free a hand in a solution what makes you think the tcs will not be controlled by turkey...

At the moment the TCs are totally dependent on Turkey for their financial and physical security...They are not in a position to cut Turkey off,while the isolations and the embargoes continue...Turkey is not dictating a solution,she is trying to influence the direction of the solution...Once a solution is reached Turkey has no choice but to step back and let Cypriots get on with their lives...Once The TCs realise they need not worry about the good intentions of the GCs they will not need to be in Turkey's shadow...

you say you want a strong government in the north, but what happens if and when a directive from the EU comes along the lines barring all trade or anything with turkey...what would the tc position be?...

Why should the EU give a direction barring all trade or anything with Turkey??? We have enough real problems without creating imaginary ones boomers...The TCs will aways have a special relationship with Turkey,just as the GCs with Greece...This is nATURAL,AND nothing to be worried about,is it???

great post!