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[vaughanwilliams]

Famagusta was looted along time ago...

I am referring to the current houses occupied by TCs to this day. These houses are in living condition but when the handover takes place, the TC occupants will destroy them while moving out...
YFred is talking only for him self. The rest of his kind may not share his "good nature"...

Georgios100

George, you are very wrong, most TCs I know are the same as me. Nothing will be demolished. I really think you should reconsider your conclusion however you arrived at it. Perhaps you can explain to us how you arrived at such a conclusion.

If we are talking about Varosha, then it is all fenced off and controlled by the Turkish army. No Turkish Cypriot has access to it even if they wanted to demolish anything.

Varosha is already destroyed... I am talking about other areas subject to be released to the GCs...

It's been 36 years. TCs living in post 1974 GC homes have maintained, repair or upgrade these homes. Perhaps new windows & doors, floors, kitchen cabinets etc. If they have to abandon them, my gut feeling is, only the concrete walls may remain... nothing else. Why? Because they feel these homes were theirs so now, having to move out, sounds like "unfair"... hence the meltdown, revenge, denial etc.

If pictures of these homes were to be taken for before & after purposes, one could see how sad this handover may play out!!!

This is nothing new. Scorched earth tactics as usual.

Georgios100

Don't you mean Pre 1974 GC homes?

You may well be right about scorched earth, but I think it will be the exception rather than the rule. Why don't you get your camera and take some piccies.

The TRNC should do this. Take pictures of all homes so when and if they are given back, the barbarians who take exception are exposed and subject to punishment.

Most unlikely...

Georgios100

Why should the TRNC do this? It's your concern, not theirs.
How many homes are due to be given back? Where are they?
Sorry - just too many.
If you wanna know, you do it.

[vaughanwilliams]

As far as I know, apart from Varosha which is totally fenced off, the older inner areas of Famagusta are now populated entirely by families from mainland Turkey.

How do you "know"?
Is this perhaps another GC myth in current circulation?
Do you really know, or is it just something you believe to be true?

[Tim Drayton]

As far as I know, apart from Varosha which is totally fenced off, the older inner areas of Famagusta are now populated entirely by families from mainland Turkey.

How do you "know"?
Is this perhaps another GC myth in current circulation?
Do you really know, or is it just something you believe to be true?

I know because I speak fluent Turkish and can generally speaking distinguish mainland Turks from Turkish Cypriots, because I visit Famagusta from time to time and have had dealings with people who live there. All of this has lead me to form the impression that the inner parts of the city are now inhabited pretty exclusively by people from mainland Turkey. I am prepared to be contradicted by anybody who knows better.

[umit07]

As far as I know, apart from Varosha which is totally fenced off, the older inner areas of Famagusta are now populated entirely by families from mainland Turkey.

How do you "know"?
Is this perhaps another GC myth in current circulation?
Do you really know, or is it just something you believe to be true?

I know because I speak fluent Turkish and can generally speaking distinguish mainland Turks from Turkish Cypriots, because I visit Famagusta from time to time and have had dealings with people who live there. All of this has lead me to form the impression that the inner parts of the city are now inhabited pretty exclusively by people from mainland Turkey. I am prepared to be contradicted by anybody who knows better.

You are right Tim, although not as bad as nicosia, most of the inner walled city is populated by settlers. The TC's that live there are mostly old folk.

[Tim Drayton]

As far as I know, apart from Varosha which is totally fenced off, the older inner areas of Famagusta are now populated entirely by families from mainland Turkey.

How do you "know"?
Is this perhaps another GC myth in current circulation?
Do you really know, or is it just something you believe to be true?

I know because I speak fluent Turkish and can generally speaking distinguish mainland Turks from Turkish Cypriots, because I visit Famagusta from time to time and have had dealings with people who live there. All of this has lead me to form the impression that the inner parts of the city are now inhabited pretty exclusively by people from mainland Turkey. I am prepared to be contradicted by anybody who knows better.

You are right Tim, although not as bad as nicosia, most of the inner walled city is populated by settlers. The TC's that live there are mostly old folk.

Thanks for confirming that. I am not necessarily denigrating these people, it just does not make much sense to say that there is a danger of Turkish Cypriots destroying Greek Cypriot owned property in Famagusta if they are forced to vacate given that few if any Turkish Cypriots are ocupying such properties in the city.

[umit07]

To the best of my knowledge most of the inner city was TC pre 74'.

[Tim Drayton]

To the best of my knowledge most of the inner city was TC pre 74'.

That is another good point. So a lot of the current mainland Turkish residents will be renting from the Turkish Cypriot owners of the property, I suppose?

[georgios100]

As far as I know, apart from Varosha which is totally fenced off, the older inner areas of Famagusta are now populated entirely by families from mainland Turkey.

How do you "know"?
Is this perhaps another GC myth in current circulation?
Do you really know, or is it just something you believe to be true?

I know because I speak fluent Turkish and can generally speaking distinguish mainland Turks from Turkish Cypriots, because I visit Famagusta from time to time and have had dealings with people who live there. All of this has lead me to form the impression that the inner parts of the city are now inhabited pretty exclusively by people from mainland Turkey. I am prepared to be contradicted by anybody who knows better.

You are right Tim, although not as bad as nicosia, most of the inner walled city is populated by settlers. The TC's that live there are mostly old folk.

Thanks for confirming that. I am not necessarily denigrating these people, it just does not make much sense to say that there is a danger of Turkish Cypriots destroying Greek Cypriot owned property in Famagusta if they are forced to vacate given that few if any Turkish Cypriots are ocupying such properties in the city.

Hi Tim,

The "solution" will apply to other areas like Morphu and many villages etc.
For the moment, many GCs visit their occupied homes where TCs live in them. The homes appear to be in good condition. As the handover takes place, the returning GCs are in for a surprise to find a wreck in lieu of a livable house... it is naive to believe otherwise.

Georgios100

[umit07]

To the best of my knowledge most of the inner city was TC pre 74'.

That is another good point. So a lot of the current mainland Turkish residents will be renting from the Turkish Cypriot owners of the property, I suppose?

I would say so, the inner city was a TC fortress pre 74'. The Famagusta of today is much bigger, there are around 12,000 students in the city alone.

[Tim Drayton]

As far as I know, apart from Varosha which is totally fenced off, the older inner areas of Famagusta are now populated entirely by families from mainland Turkey.

How do you "know"?
Is this perhaps another GC myth in current circulation?
Do you really know, or is it just something you believe to be true?

I know because I speak fluent Turkish and can generally speaking distinguish mainland Turks from Turkish Cypriots, because I visit Famagusta from time to time and have had dealings with people who live there. All of this has lead me to form the impression that the inner parts of the city are now inhabited pretty exclusively by people from mainland Turkey. I am prepared to be contradicted by anybody who knows better.

You are right Tim, although not as bad as nicosia, most of the inner walled city is populated by settlers. The TC's that live there are mostly old folk.

Thanks for confirming that. I am not necessarily denigrating these people, it just does not make much sense to say that there is a danger of Turkish Cypriots destroying Greek Cypriot owned property in Famagusta if they are forced to vacate given that few if any Turkish Cypriots are ocupying such properties in the city.

Hi Tim,

The "solution" will apply to other areas like Morphu and many villages etc.
For the moment, many GCs visit their occupied homes where TCs live in them. The homes appear to be in good condition. As the handover takes place, the returning GCs are in for a surprise to find a wreck in lieu of a livable house... it is naive to believe otherwise.

Georgios100

It is all very hypothetical, isn't it? There is nothing concrete on the table at present involving vacation of properties by refugees. Even if there were, the same consideration would work in both directions. For instance, many Turkish Cypriot owned houses in Episkopi near Limassol currently house Greek Cypriot refugees. By the same consideration, what is to stop them from trashing these properties out of spite if they are forced to vacate them. I really do not understand where you are coming from. First you were talking about Varosha, then the whole of Famagusta and now other places like Morphou.