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[boomerang]

deniz i get the feeling that you know more truths than meets the eye but you chose to sit on the sidelines...your right of course...

[halil]

In his book "Democracy at Gunpoint" Andreas Papandreou recalls that in 1964 "A clandestine operation began on a huge scale; of nightly shipments of arms and "volunteers" who arrive in Cyprus in civilian clothes and then join their Greek Cypriot units."


these are the evidences which are the collected from various sources.

[DT.]

In his book "Democracy at Gunpoint" Andreas Papandreou recalls that in 1964 "A clandestine operation began on a huge scale; of nightly shipments of arms and "volunteers" who arrive in Cyprus in civilian clothes and then join their Greek Cypriot units."


these are the evidences which are the collected from various sources.

Halil your previous attempt was nothing short of Machiavellian. Camouflaging Michael Stephen as a document of the UK govt was genius.

[denizaksulu]

deniz i get the feeling that you know more truths than meets the eye but you chose to sit on the sidelines...your right of course...

What sidelines Boomers? I have told my story a few times. It was not pleasant. But I must admit that we know a lot more now than we knew then. Not pleasant at all. All we knew was that 'the Greeks wanted us out'. The 'proof' was there when we heard of the massacres of Ay. Vasilios and Ay. Sozomenos and the flying hearse/helicopters bringing in the dead from outlying/isolated villages on a daily basis. I have no secrets if that is what you are implying....and yes, I did spend a lot of time in the trenches behind the Ledra Palace and facing the Central prison (purely defensive under the watchful eyes of the Teshkilat).

[DT.]

The UK House of Commons Select Committee on Foreign Affairs reviewed the Cyprus question in 1987[121] and reported unanimously that, "Although the Cyprus Government now claims to have been seeking to "operate the 1960 Constitution modified to the extent dictated by the necessities of the situation" this claim ignores the fact that both before and after the events of December 1963 the Makarios Government continued to advocate the cause of ENOSIS [annexation to Greece] and actively pursued the amendment of the Constitution and the related treaties to facilitate this ultimate objective".


The Committee continued : "Moreover in June 1967 the Greek Cypriot legislature unanimously passed a resolution in favour of ENOSIS, in blatant contravention of the 1960 Treaties and Constitution."[122]


121: H.C. no. 23 of 1986-87. 2nd July 1987

122: Art. 1 of the Treaty of Guarantee declares prohibited any action likely to promote directly or indirectly union with any other state or partition of the island, and Art. 185(2) of the Constitution is to similar effect.



The distinguished philosopher, Michael Moran, of Sussex University, made the following diagnosis of Greek Cypriot attitudes[142]: "It was because they were under a kind of ideological spell, a collective mental condition similar to what Marxists used to call "false-consciousness" that the Greek Cypriots could embark upon their particular course of action in December 1963 with all the zeal and confidence they did. Brainwashed through at least a hundred years of school-teaching and sermonising into a set of beliefs pathologically at odds with any plausible account of historical and political realities; lacking contact with a counterbalancing tradition of rational criticism; for the most part incapable of ironic scepticism towards theological obfuscation—the Greek Cypriot leaders were effectively de-sensitised to the equally important rights of the Turkish Cypriots. In this way they were able to treat their Turkish compatriots with such consistent and irrational abuse, hardly noticing that this was in fact what they were doing."

142: "Sovereignty Divided"-1998 p.12.

Thankyou Halil for more propaganda written by your favourite Mr Michael Stephen. Making his quotes look representative of the UK parliament used to be a talent of VP. Congrats and welcome to the club.

the above can be found at http://www.ataa.org/reference/trnc/genocide_trnc.html and it is all prepared by guess who?:

Written evidence submitted by Michael Stephen[107]


Now if you wanna find some real interesting documents filed with the Foreign Affairs Committee of the House of Commons on February 27, 1987) then have a look at these.

The Turkish Cypriot leadership made full use of their constitutional privileges to block decisions of the government and render the administration of the young republic difficult and inefficient. Their ulterior motives were presented in two top-secret documents, found in December 1963 in the office of Niazi Plumer, one of the three Turkish ministers in the government. These documents, covering the period between October 1959 and October 1963 explained in great detail the policy of the Turkish Cypriot leadership, a policy in which the 1959 agreements were an interim stage toward partition. (Copies of both documents are appended as annexes 8 and 9 in the memorandum submitted by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Cyprus to the Foreign Affairs Committee of the House of Commons on February 27, 1987).

Please post copies of these documents on this thread DT.

As Kikapu would say: CASE CLOSED!

The documents we indeed submitted to the House of Commons foriegn affairs. This is common knowledge in Cyprus. The date of submission is there and the tc minister who had left them behind Niazi Plumer is also on the record. Perhaps Bill C or Jerry can fill in ab archive request at the House of Commons and get us a copy.

This however goes to show the huge amount of history and facts that people like BIR and HALIL have chosen to forget. The Turkish side had a clear agenda of partition since the inception and before of the Republic of 1960. Makarios also had an agenda but why is it that a couple of supposedly righteous guys like Bir, Halil and Bananiot should choose to leave these details behind?

In case anyone missed it..

Niazi Plumer a former TC minister of the Republic of Cyprus had vacated his office in 1963 and in the safe, documents had been found issued by Kutchuk and Denktash detailing the policy to be followed for disruption of the Republic and leading to partition from 1959 onwards.

[Paphitis]

deniz i get the feeling that you know more truths than meets the eye but you chose to sit on the sidelines...your right of course...

What sidelines Boomers? I have told my story a few times. It was not pleasant. But I must admit that we know a lot more now than we knew then. Not pleasant at all. All we knew was that 'the Greeks wanted us out'. The 'proof' was there when we heard of the massacres of Ay. Vasilios and Ay. Sozomenos and the flying hearse/helicopters bringing in the dead from outlying/isolated villages on a daily basis. I have no secrets if that is what you are implying....and yes, I did spend a lot of time in the trenches behind the Ledra Palace and facing the Central prison (purely defensive under the watchful eyes of the Teshkilat).

Thanks Deniz! I'm sure it wasn't pleasant.

But what role did the TMT play in your opinion?

[Paphitis]

The UK House of Commons Select Committee on Foreign Affairs reviewed the Cyprus question in 1987[121] and reported unanimously that, "Although the Cyprus Government now claims to have been seeking to "operate the 1960 Constitution modified to the extent dictated by the necessities of the situation" this claim ignores the fact that both before and after the events of December 1963 the Makarios Government continued to advocate the cause of ENOSIS [annexation to Greece] and actively pursued the amendment of the Constitution and the related treaties to facilitate this ultimate objective".


The Committee continued : "Moreover in June 1967 the Greek Cypriot legislature unanimously passed a resolution in favour of ENOSIS, in blatant contravention of the 1960 Treaties and Constitution."[122]


121: H.C. no. 23 of 1986-87. 2nd July 1987

122: Art. 1 of the Treaty of Guarantee declares prohibited any action likely to promote directly or indirectly union with any other state or partition of the island, and Art. 185(2) of the Constitution is to similar effect.



The distinguished philosopher, Michael Moran, of Sussex University, made the following diagnosis of Greek Cypriot attitudes[142]: "It was because they were under a kind of ideological spell, a collective mental condition similar to what Marxists used to call "false-consciousness" that the Greek Cypriots could embark upon their particular course of action in December 1963 with all the zeal and confidence they did. Brainwashed through at least a hundred years of school-teaching and sermonising into a set of beliefs pathologically at odds with any plausible account of historical and political realities; lacking contact with a counterbalancing tradition of rational criticism; for the most part incapable of ironic scepticism towards theological obfuscation—the Greek Cypriot leaders were effectively de-sensitised to the equally important rights of the Turkish Cypriots. In this way they were able to treat their Turkish compatriots with such consistent and irrational abuse, hardly noticing that this was in fact what they were doing."

142: "Sovereignty Divided"-1998 p.12.

Thankyou Halil for more propaganda written by your favourite Mr Michael Stephen. Making his quotes look representative of the UK parliament used to be a talent of VP. Congrats and welcome to the club.

the above can be found at http://www.ataa.org/reference/trnc/genocide_trnc.html and it is all prepared by guess who?:

Written evidence submitted by Michael Stephen[107]


Now if you wanna find some real interesting documents filed with the Foreign Affairs Committee of the House of Commons on February 27, 1987) then have a look at these.

The Turkish Cypriot leadership made full use of their constitutional privileges to block decisions of the government and render the administration of the young republic difficult and inefficient. Their ulterior motives were presented in two top-secret documents, found in December 1963 in the office of Niazi Plumer, one of the three Turkish ministers in the government. These documents, covering the period between October 1959 and October 1963 explained in great detail the policy of the Turkish Cypriot leadership, a policy in which the 1959 agreements were an interim stage toward partition. (Copies of both documents are appended as annexes 8 and 9 in the memorandum submitted by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Cyprus to the Foreign Affairs Committee of the House of Commons on February 27, 1987).

Please post copies of these documents on this thread DT.

As Kikapu would say: CASE CLOSED!

The documents we indeed submitted to the House of Commons foriegn affairs. This is common knowledge in Cyprus. The date of submission is there and the tc minister who had left them behind Niazi Plumer is also on the record. Perhaps Bill C or Jerry can fill in ab archive request at the House of Commons and get us a copy.

This however goes to show the huge amount of history and facts that people like BIR and HALIL have chosen to forget. The Turkish side had a clear agenda of partition since the inception and before of the Republic of 1960. Makarios also had an agenda but why is it that a couple of supposedly righteous guys like Bir, Halil and Bananiot should choose to leave these details behind?

In case anyone missed it..

Niazi Plumer a former TC minister of the Republic of Cyprus had vacated his office in 1963 and in the safe, documents had been found issued by Kutchuk and Denktash detailing the policy to be followed for disruption of the Republic and leading to partition from 1959 onwards.

I have no idea what this is the case.

I mean, I can understand Halil and BIR ignoring vital bits of information to gain advantages at the expense of other Cypriots, but why Bananiot also chooses to do the same is incomprehensible. Perhaps he is on someone's payroll.

[halil]

The UK House of Commons Select Committee on Foreign Affairs reviewed the Cyprus question in 1987[121] and reported unanimously that, "Although the Cyprus Government now claims to have been seeking to "operate the 1960 Constitution modified to the extent dictated by the necessities of the situation" this claim ignores the fact that both before and after the events of December 1963 the Makarios Government continued to advocate the cause of ENOSIS [annexation to Greece] and actively pursued the amendment of the Constitution and the related treaties to facilitate this ultimate objective".


The Committee continued : "Moreover in June 1967 the Greek Cypriot legislature unanimously passed a resolution in favour of ENOSIS, in blatant contravention of the 1960 Treaties and Constitution."[122]


121: H.C. no. 23 of 1986-87. 2nd July 1987

122: Art. 1 of the Treaty of Guarantee declares prohibited any action likely to promote directly or indirectly union with any other state or partition of the island, and Art. 185(2) of the Constitution is to similar effect.



The distinguished philosopher, Michael Moran, of Sussex University, made the following diagnosis of Greek Cypriot attitudes[142]: "It was because they were under a kind of ideological spell, a collective mental condition similar to what Marxists used to call "false-consciousness" that the Greek Cypriots could embark upon their particular course of action in December 1963 with all the zeal and confidence they did. Brainwashed through at least a hundred years of school-teaching and sermonising into a set of beliefs pathologically at odds with any plausible account of historical and political realities; lacking contact with a counterbalancing tradition of rational criticism; for the most part incapable of ironic scepticism towards theological obfuscation—the Greek Cypriot leaders were effectively de-sensitised to the equally important rights of the Turkish Cypriots. In this way they were able to treat their Turkish compatriots with such consistent and irrational abuse, hardly noticing that this was in fact what they were doing."

142: "Sovereignty Divided"-1998 p.12.

Thankyou Halil for more propaganda written by your favourite Mr Michael Stephen. Making his quotes look representative of the UK parliament used to be a talent of VP. Congrats and welcome to the club.

the above can be found at http://www.ataa.org/reference/trnc/genocide_trnc.html and it is all prepared by guess who?:

Written evidence submitted by Michael Stephen[107]


Now if you wanna find some real interesting documents filed with the Foreign Affairs Committee of the House of Commons on February 27, 1987) then have a look at these.

The Turkish Cypriot leadership made full use of their constitutional privileges to block decisions of the government and render the administration of the young republic difficult and inefficient. Their ulterior motives were presented in two top-secret documents, found in December 1963 in the office of Niazi Plumer, one of the three Turkish ministers in the government. These documents, covering the period between October 1959 and October 1963 explained in great detail the policy of the Turkish Cypriot leadership, a policy in which the 1959 agreements were an interim stage toward partition. (Copies of both documents are appended as annexes 8 and 9 in the memorandum submitted by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Cyprus to the Foreign Affairs Committee of the House of Commons on February 27, 1987).

Please post copies of these documents on this thread DT.

As Kikapu would say: CASE CLOSED!

The documents we indeed submitted to the House of Commons foriegn affairs. This is common knowledge in Cyprus. The date of submission is there and the tc minister who had left them behind Niazi Plumer is also on the record. Perhaps Bill C or Jerry can fill in ab archive request at the House of Commons and get us a copy.

This however goes to show the huge amount of history and facts that people like BIR and HALIL have chosen to forget. The Turkish side had a clear agenda of partition since the inception and before of the Republic of 1960. Makarios also had an agenda but why is it that a couple of supposedly righteous guys like Bir, Halil and Bananiot should choose to leave these details behind?

In case anyone missed it..

Niazi Plumer a former TC minister of the Republic of Cyprus had vacated his office in 1963 and in the safe, documents had been found issued by Kutchuk and Denktash detailing the policy to be followed for disruption of the Republic and leading to partition from 1959 onwards.

WE ARE NOT HIDING ANYTHING DT...... GO BACK AGAIN AND SEARCH WHAT WAS THE AIM OF THE MAKARIOS AND GC'S PLANS ABOUT CYPRUS. BY IGNORING THESE FACTS U CAN FIND TOO MANY EXCUSES.

THEY MIGHT HAVE PARTITION PLANS DT: WHO HELP THEM TO PUT THEIR PLANS: IF THERE WAS........YOUR LEADERSHIP DT..... THEY WERE NOT SATISFIED WITH ROC . THEY WERE NEVER WANTED TO SHARE THIS ISLAND WITH TC'S.

ANY EVIDENCES UPSETING U ALWAYS DT. IT UPSET TO HEAR SOME TRUTH.

BANANIOTS, BIR's HALIL's ARE THE LIVE WITNESSES OF THOSE DARK DAYS DT. AND ALL ABOVE EVIDENCES HAVE TRUTH IN IT. MOST OF US HAS SEEN THOSE DAYS.

[denizaksulu]

deniz i get the feeling that you know more truths than meets the eye but you chose to sit on the sidelines...your right of course...

What sidelines Boomers? I have told my story a few times. It was not pleasant. But I must admit that we know a lot more now than we knew then. Not pleasant at all. All we knew was that 'the Greeks wanted us out'. The 'proof' was there when we heard of the massacres of Ay. Vasilios and Ay. Sozomenos and the flying hearse/helicopters bringing in the dead from outlying/isolated villages on a daily basis. I have no secrets if that is what you are implying....and yes, I did spend a lot of time in the trenches behind the Ledra Palace and facing the Central prison (purely defensive under the watchful eyes of the Teshkilat).

Thanks Deniz! I'm sure it wasn't pleasant.

But what role did the TMT play in your opinion?

In what exactly?

I know only of their killing of a number of our Armenian neighbours in Köşklü Çiftlik. Until then the TMT was unknown to me. I was 18 yr old and in my final year at the Lycee.
Until then, as far as I was concerned the Teskilat was a secret organisation which tried to disrupt the co-existence of GC and TC together, which culminated in the killings of two eminent TC's (Muzaffer Gurkan and Ayhan Hikmet) This was ofcourse a secret everyone suspected. Of course after the events of the 21st Dec, there was weapons training for the defenders of the area. we thanked them for the two wrong caliber bullets they gace us for the sten guns. We prayed the Greeks would not attack us. Scared? You may well ask.

[DT.]

The UK House of Commons Select Committee on Foreign Affairs reviewed the Cyprus question in 1987[121] and reported unanimously that, "Although the Cyprus Government now claims to have been seeking to "operate the 1960 Constitution modified to the extent dictated by the necessities of the situation" this claim ignores the fact that both before and after the events of December 1963 the Makarios Government continued to advocate the cause of ENOSIS [annexation to Greece] and actively pursued the amendment of the Constitution and the related treaties to facilitate this ultimate objective".


The Committee continued : "Moreover in June 1967 the Greek Cypriot legislature unanimously passed a resolution in favour of ENOSIS, in blatant contravention of the 1960 Treaties and Constitution."[122]


121: H.C. no. 23 of 1986-87. 2nd July 1987

122: Art. 1 of the Treaty of Guarantee declares prohibited any action likely to promote directly or indirectly union with any other state or partition of the island, and Art. 185(2) of the Constitution is to similar effect.



The distinguished philosopher, Michael Moran, of Sussex University, made the following diagnosis of Greek Cypriot attitudes[142]: "It was because they were under a kind of ideological spell, a collective mental condition similar to what Marxists used to call "false-consciousness" that the Greek Cypriots could embark upon their particular course of action in December 1963 with all the zeal and confidence they did. Brainwashed through at least a hundred years of school-teaching and sermonising into a set of beliefs pathologically at odds with any plausible account of historical and political realities; lacking contact with a counterbalancing tradition of rational criticism; for the most part incapable of ironic scepticism towards theological obfuscation—the Greek Cypriot leaders were effectively de-sensitised to the equally important rights of the Turkish Cypriots. In this way they were able to treat their Turkish compatriots with such consistent and irrational abuse, hardly noticing that this was in fact what they were doing."

142: "Sovereignty Divided"-1998 p.12.

Thankyou Halil for more propaganda written by your favourite Mr Michael Stephen. Making his quotes look representative of the UK parliament used to be a talent of VP. Congrats and welcome to the club.

the above can be found at http://www.ataa.org/reference/trnc/genocide_trnc.html and it is all prepared by guess who?:

Written evidence submitted by Michael Stephen[107]


Now if you wanna find some real interesting documents filed with the Foreign Affairs Committee of the House of Commons on February 27, 1987) then have a look at these.

The Turkish Cypriot leadership made full use of their constitutional privileges to block decisions of the government and render the administration of the young republic difficult and inefficient. Their ulterior motives were presented in two top-secret documents, found in December 1963 in the office of Niazi Plumer, one of the three Turkish ministers in the government. These documents, covering the period between October 1959 and October 1963 explained in great detail the policy of the Turkish Cypriot leadership, a policy in which the 1959 agreements were an interim stage toward partition. (Copies of both documents are appended as annexes 8 and 9 in the memorandum submitted by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Cyprus to the Foreign Affairs Committee of the House of Commons on February 27, 1987).

Please post copies of these documents on this thread DT.

As Kikapu would say: CASE CLOSED!

The documents we indeed submitted to the House of Commons foriegn affairs. This is common knowledge in Cyprus. The date of submission is there and the tc minister who had left them behind Niazi Plumer is also on the record. Perhaps Bill C or Jerry can fill in ab archive request at the House of Commons and get us a copy.

This however goes to show the huge amount of history and facts that people like BIR and HALIL have chosen to forget. The Turkish side had a clear agenda of partition since the inception and before of the Republic of 1960. Makarios also had an agenda but why is it that a couple of supposedly righteous guys like Bir, Halil and Bananiot should choose to leave these details behind?

In case anyone missed it..

Niazi Plumer a former TC minister of the Republic of Cyprus had vacated his office in 1963 and in the safe, documents had been found issued by Kutchuk and Denktash detailing the policy to be followed for disruption of the Republic and leading to partition from 1959 onwards.

WE ARE NOT HIDING ANYTHING DT...... GO BACK AGAIN AND SEARCH WHAT WAS THE AIM OF THE MAKARIOS AND GC'S PLANS ABOUT CYPRUS. BY IGNORING THESE FACTS U CAN FIND TOO MANY EXCUSES.

THEY MIGHT HAVE PARTITION PLANS DT: WHO HELP THEM TO PUT THEIR PLANS: IF THERE WAS........YOUR LEADERSHIP DT..... THEY WERE NOT SATISFIED WITH ROC . THEY WERE NEVER WANTED TO SHARE THIS ISLAND WITH TC'S.

ANY EVIDENCES UPSETING U ALWAYS DT. IT UPSET TO HEAR SOME TRUTH.

BANANIOTS, BIR's HALIL's ARE THE LIVE WITNESSES OF THOSE DARK DAYS DT. AND ALL ABOVE EVIDENCES HAVE TRUTH IN IT. MOST OF US HAS SEEN THOSE DAYS.

Halil, someone who met his first GC 30 years after the invasion is not someone who can give an accurate accout of anything in my view.

I have no problem with the truths coming out about the wrongs of the GC leadership. What I despise is the hypocrisy of "forgetting" partition plans that were drawn up before there ever WAS a Republic.