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[Bananiot]

And, what is your game DT? My game is to bring every aspect of the recent history of Cyprus to the light of the day. The real history should be taught at school so that our children grow up to be passionate and considerate citizens that will not make the same mistakes of the past. They should know what games our leaders played that caused so much hardship and pain. They should know that Turkey did not wake up one morning and said "this is a good day to invade Cyprus" but rather we paved the way for Turkey to come to us. And the napalms you were talking about did a lot of damage to our morale too, back in 1964, but we did not learn. We failed even then to realise that Turkey was only 40 miles away. But, even then, to be fair to history, our boys rained the enclaves at Kokkina and Mansoura with mortars for a few days before the TAF intervened. And our mortars did not drop sweets on the Turkish kids that were hiding under the beds, just like some of our own, to survive the onslaught.

Who was behind all these DT? I put it to you that the nationalists of both sides are responsible. What do you say? Or are you just crying because Turkish nationalism proved stronger than ours? Do you think that we can just turn a page and work out a solution that is not touched by the events back then? Can we just delete those horrors? Perhaps you have come to realise by now that any attempt at solution cannot but will be greatly affected by those events that shaped our recent history. That is why the shouts for a unified Cyprus on the one man one vote principle is merely words without substance, for events of the past will be here to haunt us for as long as people live on this island. If you want to find someone to blame, I suggest you take a more critical look at our leaders and their choices and actions since 1955.

[DT.]

And, what is your game DT? My game is to bring every aspect of the recent history of Cyprus to the light of the day. The real history should be taught at school so that our children grow up to be passionate and considerate citizens that will not make the same mistakes of the past. They should know what games our leaders played that caused so much hardship and pain. They should know that Turkey did not wake up one morning and said "this is a good day to invade Cyprus" but rather we paved the way for Turkey to come to us. And the napalms you were talking about did a lot of damage to our morale too, back in 1964, but we did not learn. We failed even then to realise that Turkey was only 40 miles away. But, even then, to be fair to history, our boys rained the enclaves at Kokkina and Mansoura with mortars for a few days before the TAF intervened. And our mortars did not drop sweets on the Turkish kids that were hiding under the beds, just like some of our own, to survive the onslaught.

Who was behind all these DT? I put it to you that the nationalists of both sides are responsible. What do you say? Or are you just crying because Turkish nationalism proved stronger than ours? Do you think that we can just turn a page and work out a solution that is not touched by the events back then? Can we just delete those horrors? Perhaps you have come to realise by now that any attempt at solution cannot but will be greatly affected by those events that shaped our recent history. That is why the shouts for a unified Cyprus on the one man one vote principle is merely words without substance, for events of the past will be here to haunt us for as long as people live on this island. If you want to find someone to blame, I suggest you take a more critical look at our leaders and their choices and actions since 1955.

You'll have to look very hard to find a Cypriot thats more critical of the political leadership of this country, which also explains why I've never belonged to any party.

I don't really have a game Bananiot, my objective is to see Cyprus governed under an acceptable manner to the majority of this island. I say this not because I will not compromise out of pride or patriotism but because anything less than that will be catastrophic for this country.

If 80% of the population ends up feeling cheated and prejudiced by extensive (luxury) rights given to the other side then there will be trouble ahead. I've been hearing lots of feedback from friends, colleagues, parents at school etc...the response ranges from angry acceptance of the situation to emigrating to Australia and even to heading for the hills with their G3's.

If a fair solution is not found then I am prepared to wait until it is because living with a bad solution is not an option for me. Whether you believe that this is the last chance like so many other last chances is a matter of opinion.

P.s

My game is to bring every aspect of the recent history of Cyprus to the light of the day

would you like me to tell you how well you've done so far?

[YFred]

And, what is your game DT? My game is to bring every aspect of the recent history of Cyprus to the light of the day. The real history should be taught at school so that our children grow up to be passionate and considerate citizens that will not make the same mistakes of the past. They should know what games our leaders played that caused so much hardship and pain. They should know that Turkey did not wake up one morning and said "this is a good day to invade Cyprus" but rather we paved the way for Turkey to come to us. And the napalms you were talking about did a lot of damage to our morale too, back in 1964, but we did not learn. We failed even then to realise that Turkey was only 40 miles away. But, even then, to be fair to history, our boys rained the enclaves at Kokkina and Mansoura with mortars for a few days before the TAF intervened. And our mortars did not drop sweets on the Turkish kids that were hiding under the beds, just like some of our own, to survive the onslaught.

Who was behind all these DT? I put it to you that the nationalists of both sides are responsible. What do you say? Or are you just crying because Turkish nationalism proved stronger than ours? Do you think that we can just turn a page and work out a solution that is not touched by the events back then? Can we just delete those horrors? Perhaps you have come to realise by now that any attempt at solution cannot but will be greatly affected by those events that shaped our recent history. That is why the shouts for a unified Cyprus on the one man one vote principle is merely words without substance, for events of the past will be here to haunt us for as long as people live on this island. If you want to find someone to blame, I suggest you take a more critical look at our leaders and their choices and actions since 1955.

You'll have to look very hard to find a Cypriot thats more critical of the political leadership of this country, which also explains why I've never belonged to any party.

I don't really have a game Bananiot, my objective is to see Cyprus governed under an acceptable manner to the majority of this island. I say this not because I will not compromise out of pride or patriotism but because anything less than that will be catastrophic for this country.

If 80% of the population ends up feeling cheated and prejudiced by extensive (luxury) rights given to the other side then there will be trouble ahead. I've been hearing lots of feedback from friends, colleagues, parents at school etc...the response ranges from angry acceptance of the situation to emigrating to Australia and even to heading for the hills with their G3's.

If a fair solution is not found then I am prepared to wait until it is because living with a bad solution is not an option for me. Whether you believe that this is the last chance like so many other last chances is a matter of opinion.

P.s

My game is to bring every aspect of the recent history of Cyprus to the light of the day

would you like me to tell you how well you've done so far?

Was up DT, the truth hurts does it?

[Oracle]

So, it is just a matter of mathematics now, according to one of our most fanatical forumer. If 1000 TC's were killed by the GC's, 250 GC's killed by the TC's and it is a fair game. Equilibrium!

My oh my! So, now the actual figures are called in to evaluate your prejudiced opinions and wild accusations, it no longer suits you!

I don't understand how you fail to see that for your claims [of a history of demonic-TC-killing GCs to have roamed this land] to be anywhere near the mark, to be a correct assessment of the conflicts, then those imaginary figures, above, would have to be the actual ones we are now looking at and not made-up ones. The actual figures are precisely the REVERSE! So what you claim is not backed up by logic or evidence! Your claims are simply unsubstantiated and wrong!

If you accuse GCs of an agenda to assassinate "ALL TCs " (btw your mathematical input!), and you accuse certain representatives of GCs of gross misconduct and monumental abuse of power to manage the "plantation" -- then why was this not done? Why do the figures prove that there were NO more TCs killed (by proportion to population) than there were GCs killed, during the conflicts?

In fact, since you judge the GCs as being so demonic (from the recesses of your mind), then why do you evade the figures which logically demonstrate the REVERSE? That indeed, a greater proportion of TCs, or a greater killing capacity for those TCs who did kill GCs, existed! That the demons, (based on inferences in-kind to your assessments), were the TCs and not the GCs! This is simply based on your evaluations!

Why do you now walk away from your very own point and attempt to evade the 'mathematics' which YOU brought up to form such an (erroneous) opinion?

And you have the audacity to claim you will teach the 'true history' to our next generation

[YFred]

So, it is just a matter of mathematics now, according to one of our most fanatical forumer. If 1000 TC's were killed by the GC's, 250 GC's killed by the TC's and it is a fair game. Equilibrium!

My oh my! So, now the actual figures are called in to evaluate your prejudiced opinions and wild accusations, it no longer suits you!

I don't understand how you fail to see that for your claims [of a history of demonic-TC-killing GCs to have roamed this land] to be anywhere near the mark, to be a correct assessment of the conflicts, then those imaginary figures, above, would have to be the actual ones we are now looking at and not made-up ones. The actual figures are precisely the REVERSE! So what you claim is not backed up by logic or evidence! Your claims are simply unsubstantiated and wrong!

If you accuse GCs of an agenda to assassinate "ALL TCs " (btw your mathematical input!), and you accuse certain representatives of GCs of gross misconduct and monumental abuse of power to manage the "plantation" -- then why was this not done? Why do the figures prove that there were NO more TCs killed (by proportion to population) than there were GCs killed, during the conflicts?

In fact, since you judge the GCs as being so demonic (from the recesses of your mind), then why do you evade the figures which logically demonstrate the REVERSE? That indeed, a greater proportion of TCs, or a greater killing capacity for those TCs who did kill GCs, existed! That the demons, (based on inferences in-kind to your assessments), were the TCs and not the GCs! This is simply based on your evaluations!

Why do you now walk away from your very own point and attempt to evade the 'mathematics' which YOU brought up to form such an (erroneous) opinion?

And you have the audacity to claim you will teach the 'true history' to our next generation

Whats the matter babes, your hero doesn't come out of this that clean does it ol girl, what?

[Paphitis]

So, it is just a matter of mathematics now, according to one of our most fanatical forumer. If 1000 TC's were killed by the GC's, 250 GC's killed by the TC's and it is a fair game. Equilibrium!

The Arabs are 100 million and the Israelis 5 million and if 1million Arabs are killed by the Israelis, the Arabs would maintain equilibrium by killing 5 million Israelis and here you have it. The Middle East issue over and done.

Our issue here, however, is Yiorgadjis. This scheming obscure character who switched allegiance with the greatest of ease and was involved in a number of murders or attempted murders. This person would have no moral obstacles to annihilate all Turkish Cypriots. Why didn't he, the fanatical and the skeptic ask. Because Turkey, a mere 40 miles away as we sadly found out in 1974, had warned him that "we are watching every single move of yours". Believe it or not, there is a lot of background politics involved in politics and in similar fashion Israel warned Sadam in 1991 that a chemical attack on Israel would result in the disappearance of Baghdad from the face of the earth.

Bananiot, we have discussed Yorgadjis, and we all agree this individual has a very interesting history. He is a mysterious character, probably because most Cypriots don't really like talking about the subject. His history, I think you would agree, has all the twists of Shakespeare's Macbeth.

We covered his early history as a member of EOKA, then his time on Makarios' cabinet, how he conspired against the Junta in Greece, was sacked by Makarios in 1968, and then discussed how he made 3 attempts at removing Makarios in 1970, until he was assassinated at Mia Milia by Cypriot Junta sympathisers as revenge for his involvement on the assassination attempt on Colonel Papadopoulos.

We also talked about how he and Clerides, who happens to be your favoured politician in Cyprus, formed the Ethniko Metobo, which later osmosed into today's DISY. You told us that Ethniko Metobo, which later became DISY, was the Party where most EOKA supporters gravitated towards and not only. Most EOKA B (formed in 1971) also became stalwarts of DISY, included the very 'dreaded' Koutsou, who later formed New Horizon or the European Party if I'm not mistaken.

Now, the reason why I opened this thread was to bring the recent history of Cyprus to the light of day as well. We have all had our say. Certain TCs have been spreading myths about how Yorgadjis was most feared as he would have no problem forcing his way into TC and TMT enclaves to embark on a crazed TC killing spree! BIR has even gone as far to suggest that Yorgadjis did in fact do this, controlled EOKA remnant militias, which you and I know did not exist in 1963, to ruthlessly kill any TC he came across. I agree that you have provided a reasonably accurate Biography on Yorgadjis, but you and I know, that Yorgadjis never went on any alleged killing sprees.

Now, the RoC did attack Mansoura and Kokkina, and no doubt many innocents were killed. But did Makarios and Yorgadjis wake up one day and decide to attack Mansoura and Kokkina for the hell of it and to kill as many TCs as possible due to their alleged hatred towards TCs. NO! They didn't Bananiot. Quite the opposite. Makarios, endured many weeks of TMT attacks and provocations before Kokkina and Mansoura were attacked

We know that on the 21 Dec 63, Cypriot Plain Clothed Police, were involved in an incident in Nicosia with an angry and violent TC mob. Shots were fired, and 2 TCs were killed. TMT began firing and started to take hostages. They captured St. Hilarion, thus occupying the high ground and controlling the road to Kyrenia. As BillC stated previously, this was phase 1 of Turkey's invasion.

The atmosphere on the island was tense. On December 21, 1963, serious violence erupted in Nicosia when a Greek Cypriot police patrol, ostensibly checking identification documents, stopped a Turkish Cypriot couple on the edge of the Turkish quarter. A hostile crowd gathered, shots were fired, and two Turkish Cypriots were killed. As the news spread, members of the underground organizations began firing and taking hostages. North of Nicosia, Turkish forces occupied a strong position at St. Hilarion Castle, dominating the road to Kyrenia on the northern coast. The road became a principal combat area as both sides fought to control it. Much intercommunal fighting occurred in Nicosia along the line separating the Greek and Turkish quarters of the city (known later as the Green Line). Turkish Cypriots were not concentrated in one area, but lived throughout the island, making their position precarious. Vice-President Küçük and Turkish Cypriot ministers and members of the House of Representatives ceased participating in the government.

http://countrystudies.us/cyprus/13.htm

Kokkina was attacked in 1964 because it was a secure bridgehead and because the TMT were smuggling arms. The RoC tried to attack TMT positions at St Hilarion castle on more than one occasion. Kophinou was attacked because TMT separatists were attacking RoC patrols along the Nicosia to Limassol Highway in 1967. We even now, that UN convoys were escorting GCs along the Kyrenia Highway because the TMT would fire on GC civilians. Traveling alone was considered unsafe.

So again Bananiot, I ask you this. Did Yorgadjis, or Makarios suddenly wake up and decide to slaughter TCs? Or were they trying to defend the RoC from TMT separatists?

Now this thread was never started to lay blame on anyone. It was started to establish the true history and so far you have provided some factual information. Naturally, both sides are to blame. But you seem to ignore the fact that EOKA was disbanded in 1959, whilst TMT continued to destabilize the entire island, until its objective of Partition became reality.

[halil]

The UK House of Commons Select Committee on Foreign Affairs reviewed the Cyprus question in 1987[121] and reported unanimously that, "Although the Cyprus Government now claims to have been seeking to "operate the 1960 Constitution modified to the extent dictated by the necessities of the situation" this claim ignores the fact that both before and after the events of December 1963 the Makarios Government continued to advocate the cause of ENOSIS [annexation to Greece] and actively pursued the amendment of the Constitution and the related treaties to facilitate this ultimate objective".


The Committee continued : "Moreover in June 1967 the Greek Cypriot legislature unanimously passed a resolution in favour of ENOSIS, in blatant contravention of the 1960 Treaties and Constitution."[122]


121: H.C. no. 23 of 1986-87. 2nd July 1987

122: Art. 1 of the Treaty of Guarantee declares prohibited any action likely to promote directly or indirectly union with any other state or partition of the island, and Art. 185(2) of the Constitution is to similar effect.



The distinguished philosopher, Michael Moran, of Sussex University, made the following diagnosis of Greek Cypriot attitudes[142]: "It was because they were under a kind of ideological spell, a collective mental condition similar to what Marxists used to call "false-consciousness" that the Greek Cypriots could embark upon their particular course of action in December 1963 with all the zeal and confidence they did. Brainwashed through at least a hundred years of school-teaching and sermonising into a set of beliefs pathologically at odds with any plausible account of historical and political realities; lacking contact with a counterbalancing tradition of rational criticism; for the most part incapable of ironic scepticism towards theological obfuscation—the Greek Cypriot leaders were effectively de-sensitised to the equally important rights of the Turkish Cypriots. In this way they were able to treat their Turkish compatriots with such consistent and irrational abuse, hardly noticing that this was in fact what they were doing."

142: "Sovereignty Divided"-1998 p.12.

[DT.]

The UK House of Commons Select Committee on Foreign Affairs reviewed the Cyprus question in 1987[121] and reported unanimously that, "Although the Cyprus Government now claims to have been seeking to "operate the 1960 Constitution modified to the extent dictated by the necessities of the situation" this claim ignores the fact that both before and after the events of December 1963 the Makarios Government continued to advocate the cause of ENOSIS [annexation to Greece] and actively pursued the amendment of the Constitution and the related treaties to facilitate this ultimate objective".


The Committee continued : "Moreover in June 1967 the Greek Cypriot legislature unanimously passed a resolution in favour of ENOSIS, in blatant contravention of the 1960 Treaties and Constitution."[122]


121: H.C. no. 23 of 1986-87. 2nd July 1987

122: Art. 1 of the Treaty of Guarantee declares prohibited any action likely to promote directly or indirectly union with any other state or partition of the island, and Art. 185(2) of the Constitution is to similar effect.



The distinguished philosopher, Michael Moran, of Sussex University, made the following diagnosis of Greek Cypriot attitudes[142]: "It was because they were under a kind of ideological spell, a collective mental condition similar to what Marxists used to call "false-consciousness" that the Greek Cypriots could embark upon their particular course of action in December 1963 with all the zeal and confidence they did. Brainwashed through at least a hundred years of school-teaching and sermonising into a set of beliefs pathologically at odds with any plausible account of historical and political realities; lacking contact with a counterbalancing tradition of rational criticism; for the most part incapable of ironic scepticism towards theological obfuscation—the Greek Cypriot leaders were effectively de-sensitised to the equally important rights of the Turkish Cypriots. In this way they were able to treat their Turkish compatriots with such consistent and irrational abuse, hardly noticing that this was in fact what they were doing."

142: "Sovereignty Divided"-1998 p.12.

Thankyou Halil for more propaganda written by your favourite Mr Michael Stephen. Making his quotes look representative of the UK parliament used to be a talent of VP. Congrats and welcome to the club.

the above can be found at http://www.ataa.org/reference/trnc/genocide_trnc.html and it is all prepared by guess who?:

Written evidence submitted by Michael Stephen[107]


Now if you wanna find some real interesting documents filed with the Foreign Affairs Committee of the House of Commons on February 27, 1987) then have a look at these.

The Turkish Cypriot leadership made full use of their constitutional privileges to block decisions of the government and render the administration of the young republic difficult and inefficient. Their ulterior motives were presented in two top-secret documents, found in December 1963 in the office of Niazi Plumer, one of the three Turkish ministers in the government. These documents, covering the period between October 1959 and October 1963 explained in great detail the policy of the Turkish Cypriot leadership, a policy in which the 1959 agreements were an interim stage toward partition. (Copies of both documents are appended as annexes 8 and 9 in the memorandum submitted by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Cyprus to the Foreign Affairs Committee of the House of Commons on February 27, 1987).

[Paphitis]

The UK House of Commons Select Committee on Foreign Affairs reviewed the Cyprus question in 1987[121] and reported unanimously that, "Although the Cyprus Government now claims to have been seeking to "operate the 1960 Constitution modified to the extent dictated by the necessities of the situation" this claim ignores the fact that both before and after the events of December 1963 the Makarios Government continued to advocate the cause of ENOSIS [annexation to Greece] and actively pursued the amendment of the Constitution and the related treaties to facilitate this ultimate objective".


The Committee continued : "Moreover in June 1967 the Greek Cypriot legislature unanimously passed a resolution in favour of ENOSIS, in blatant contravention of the 1960 Treaties and Constitution."[122]


121: H.C. no. 23 of 1986-87. 2nd July 1987

122: Art. 1 of the Treaty of Guarantee declares prohibited any action likely to promote directly or indirectly union with any other state or partition of the island, and Art. 185(2) of the Constitution is to similar effect.



The distinguished philosopher, Michael Moran, of Sussex University, made the following diagnosis of Greek Cypriot attitudes[142]: "It was because they were under a kind of ideological spell, a collective mental condition similar to what Marxists used to call "false-consciousness" that the Greek Cypriots could embark upon their particular course of action in December 1963 with all the zeal and confidence they did. Brainwashed through at least a hundred years of school-teaching and sermonising into a set of beliefs pathologically at odds with any plausible account of historical and political realities; lacking contact with a counterbalancing tradition of rational criticism; for the most part incapable of ironic scepticism towards theological obfuscation—the Greek Cypriot leaders were effectively de-sensitised to the equally important rights of the Turkish Cypriots. In this way they were able to treat their Turkish compatriots with such consistent and irrational abuse, hardly noticing that this was in fact what they were doing."

142: "Sovereignty Divided"-1998 p.12.

Thankyou Halil for more propaganda written by your favourite Mr Michael Stephen. Making his quotes look representative of the UK parliament used to be a talent of VP. Congrats and welcome to the club.

the above can be found at http://www.ataa.org/reference/trnc/genocide_trnc.html and it is all prepared by guess who?:

Written evidence submitted by Michael Stephen[107]


Now if you wanna find some real interesting documents filed with the Foreign Affairs Committee of the House of Commons on February 27, 1987) then have a look at these.

The Turkish Cypriot leadership made full use of their constitutional privileges to block decisions of the government and render the administration of the young republic difficult and inefficient. Their ulterior motives were presented in two top-secret documents, found in December 1963 in the office of Niazi Plumer, one of the three Turkish ministers in the government. These documents, covering the period between October 1959 and October 1963 explained in great detail the policy of the Turkish Cypriot leadership, a policy in which the 1959 agreements were an interim stage toward partition. (Copies of both documents are appended as annexes 8 and 9 in the memorandum submitted by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Cyprus to the Foreign Affairs Committee of the House of Commons on February 27, 1987).

Please post copies of these documents on this thread DT.

As Kikapu would say: CASE CLOSED!

[denizaksulu]

So, it is just a matter of mathematics now, according to one of our most fanatical forumer. If 1000 TC's were killed by the GC's, 250 GC's killed by the TC's and it is a fair game. Equilibrium!

The Arabs are 100 million and the Israelis 5 million and if 1million Arabs are killed by the Israelis, the Arabs would maintain equilibrium by killing 5 million Israelis and here you have it. The Middle East issue over and done.

Our issue here, however, is Yiorgadjis. This scheming obscure character who switched allegiance with the greatest of ease and was involved in a number of murders or attempted murders. This person would have no moral obstacles to annihilate all Turkish Cypriots. Why didn't he, the fanatical and the skeptic ask. Because Turkey, a mere 40 miles away as we sadly found out in 1974, had warned him that "we are watching every single move of yours". Believe it or not, there is a lot of background politics involved in politics and in similar fashion Israel warned Sadam in 1991 that a chemical attack on Israel would result in the disappearance of Baghdad from the face of the earth.

Bananiot, we have discussed Yorgadjis, and we all agree this individual has a very interesting history. He is a mysterious character, probably because most Cypriots don't really like talking about the subject. His history, I think you would agree, has all the twists of Shakespeare's Macbeth.

We covered his early history as a member of EOKA, then his time on Makarios' cabinet, how he conspired against the Junta in Greece, was sacked by Makarios in 1968, and then discussed how he made 3 attempts at removing Makarios in 1970, until he was assassinated at Mia Milia by Cypriot Junta sympathisers as revenge for his involvement on the assassination attempt on Colonel Papadopoulos.

We also talked about how he and Clerides, who happens to be your favoured politician in Cyprus, formed the Ethniko Metobo, which later osmosed into today's DISY. You told us that Ethniko Metobo, which later became DISY, was the Party where most EOKA supporters gravitated towards and not only. Most EOKA B (formed in 1971) also became stalwarts of DISY, included the very 'dreaded' Koutsou, who later formed New Horizon or the European Party if I'm not mistaken.

Now, the reason why I opened this thread was to bring the recent history of Cyprus to the light of day as well. We have all had our say. Certain TCs have been spreading myths about how Yorgadjis was most feared as he would have no problem forcing his way into TC and TMT enclaves to embark on a crazed TC killing spree! BIR has even gone as far to suggest that Yorgadjis did in fact do this, controlled EOKA remnant militias, which you and I know did not exist in 1963, to ruthlessly kill any TC he came across. I agree that you have provided a reasonably accurate Biography on Yorgadjis, but you and I know, that Yorgadjis never went on any alleged killing sprees.

Now, the RoC did attack Mansoura and Kokkina, and no doubt many innocents were killed. But did Makarios and Yorgadjis wake up one day and decide to attack Mansoura and Kokkina for the hell of it and to kill as many TCs as possible due to their alleged hatred towards TCs. NO! They didn't Bananiot. Quite the opposite. Makarios, endured many weeks of TMT attacks and provocations before Kokkina and Mansoura were attacked

We know that on the 21 Dec 63, Cypriot Plain Clothed Police, were involved in an incident in Nicosia with an angry and violent TC mob. Shots were fired, and 2 TCs were killed. TMT began firing and started to take hostages. They captured St. Hilarion, thus occupying the high ground and controlling the road to Kyrenia. As BillC stated previously, this was phase 1 of Turkey's invasion.

The atmosphere on the island was tense. On December 21, 1963, serious violence erupted in Nicosia when a Greek Cypriot police patrol, ostensibly checking identification documents, stopped a Turkish Cypriot couple on the edge of the Turkish quarter. A hostile crowd gathered, shots were fired, and two Turkish Cypriots were killed. As the news spread, members of the underground organizations began firing and taking hostages. North of Nicosia, Turkish forces occupied a strong position at St. Hilarion Castle, dominating the road to Kyrenia on the northern coast. The road became a principal combat area as both sides fought to control it. Much intercommunal fighting occurred in Nicosia along the line separating the Greek and Turkish quarters of the city (known later as the Green Line). Turkish Cypriots were not concentrated in one area, but lived throughout the island, making their position precarious. Vice-President Küçük and Turkish Cypriot ministers and members of the House of Representatives ceased participating in the government.

http://countrystudies.us/cyprus/13.htm

Kokkina was attacked in 1964 because it was a secure bridgehead and because the TMT were smuggling arms. The RoC tried to attack TMT positions at St Hilarion castle on more than one occasion. Kophinou was attacked because TMT separatists were attacking RoC patrols along the Nicosia to Limassol Highway in 1967. We even now, that UN convoys were escorting GCs along the Kyrenia Highway because the TMT would fire on GC civilians. Traveling alone was considered unsafe.

So again Bananiot, I ask you this. Did Yorgadjis, or Makarios suddenly wake up and decide to slaughter TCs? Or were they trying to defend the RoC from TMT separatists?

Now this thread was never started to lay blame on anyone. It was started to establish the true history and so far you have provided some factual information. Naturally, both sides are to blame. But you seem to ignore the fact that EOKA was disbanded in 1959, whilst TMT continued to destabilize the entire island, until its objective of Partition became reality.

If I may add a small detail, where you mention the events of 21.12.1963.

That Friday night the two TCs were shot dead. The following morning, the event at the Turkish Boys Lycee took place where two students were shot by GC police. Even then there were no widespread shooting from either side. Everybody saw it as an isolated, local incident. On the Saturday following the two incidents mentioned, I and a few friends were on our bikes and went to our usual icecream parlour in the Greek sector, near (the then ) Metaxas Square. It was the Sunday evening that we witnessed the GCs in their dark green fatigues marching along the river towards Kermia. It was at that time that all hell broke lose.
We were unaware of any other shooting outside Nicosia.

I just wanted to get the timing in a proper time-scale.