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[denizaksulu]

Bananiot,
The TC belief was that Yorgadjis was the most fanatical EOKA member,and later on ,as minister for Interiror,he was the operational head of the EOKA remnants...He was thus despised and feared...Do you believe this was the case???

The above are just TC myths and exaggerations. Yorgadjis yielded much power and influence within the Makarios cabinet, but was never more influential over former EOKA members than Grivas and Makarios themselves. There were no EOKA remnants. The organisation did not exist. There were many former EOKA fighters who were rewarded with positions of High Office or became senior public servants.

There was only the CNG and Cyprus Police, who were under the command of Makarios, followed by Yorgadjis and Grivas. TMT strongholds at Kophinou and Kokkina were attacked by the CNG, for blocking the Nicosia to Limassol highway at Kophinou and for Turkish arms smuggling in Kokkina. Even after weeks of CNG and police patrols being attacked, Makarios hesitated and did not want to attack the TMT. Eventually CNG personnel were killed from TMT ambush along the highway, and so Makarios was left with no other choice. The strongholds were reluctantly attacked, and this is what the TMT wanted.

Yes BIR, TMT kept ambushing ROC CNG and police, some were killed, and then the ROC attacked back.

You still refuse to answer my question...There was no CNG in 1963,the two sides could NOT come to an agreement between 1960 -63 to form it...So,
WHO WERE THE GC PARAMILITARIES WHO WERE ATTACKING MY ENCLAVE IN NICOSIA AT THE END OF DECEMBER 1963,IF NOT EOKA REMNANTS????????

They were Yorgadjis plain clothed Special Constables who clashed with Turkish Cypriot crowds. They were Police Officers and were on the RoC's pay roll! There was no EOKA paramilitary in 1963.

And the incident occurred on the 21 Dec 1963!

Yorgadjis was Interior minister at the time!

Minister of the Interior
In office
16 Aug 1960 – 1 Nov 1968

Ok, what was Nicos Sampsons role in 1963, 21st December? Was he merely a journalist when he attacked Kucuk Kaymakli???

[YFred]

Bananiot,
The TC belief was that Yorgadjis was the most fanatical EOKA member,and later on ,as minister for Interiror,he was the operational head of the EOKA remnants...He was thus despised and feared...Do you believe this was the case???

The above are just TC myths and exaggerations. Yorgadjis yielded much power and influence within the Makarios cabinet, but was never more influential over former EOKA members than Grivas and Makarios themselves. There were no EOKA remnants. The organisation did not exist. There were many former EOKA fighters who were rewarded with positions of High Office or became senior public servants.

There was only the CNG and Cyprus Police, who were under the command of Makarios, followed by Yorgadjis and Grivas. TMT strongholds at Kophinou and Kokkina were attacked by the CNG, for blocking the Nicosia to Limassol highway at Kophinou and for Turkish arms smuggling in Kokkina. Even after weeks of CNG and police patrols being attacked, Makarios hesitated and did not want to attack the TMT. Eventually CNG personnel were killed from TMT ambush along the highway, and so Makarios was left with no other choice. The strongholds were reluctantly attacked, and this is what the TMT wanted.

Yes BIR, TMT kept ambushing ROC CNG and police, some were killed, and then the ROC attacked back.

You still refuse to answer my question...There was no CNG in 1963,the two sides could NOT come to an agreement between 1960 -63 to form it...So,
WHO WERE THE GC PARAMILITARIES WHO WERE ATTACKING MY ENCLAVE IN NICOSIA AT THE END OF DECEMBER 1963,IF NOT EOKA REMNANTS????????

They were Yorgadjis plain clothed Special Constables who clashed with Turkish Cypriot crowds. They were Police Officers and were on the RoC's pay roll! There was no EOKA paramilitary in 1963.

And the incident occurred on the 21 Dec 1963!

Yorgadjis was Interior minister at the time!

Minister of the Interior
In office
16 Aug 1960 – 1 Nov 1968

Ok, what was Nicos Sampsons role in 1963, 21st December? Was he merely a journalist when he attacked Kucuk Kaymakli???

Are you serious, what the hell does Bafiti know?

[denizaksulu]

Bananiot,
The TC belief was that Yorgadjis was the most fanatical EOKA member,and later on ,as minister for Interiror,he was the operational head of the EOKA remnants...He was thus despised and feared...Do you believe this was the case???

The above are just TC myths and exaggerations. Yorgadjis yielded much power and influence within the Makarios cabinet, but was never more influential over former EOKA members than Grivas and Makarios themselves. There were no EOKA remnants. The organisation did not exist. There were many former EOKA fighters who were rewarded with positions of High Office or became senior public servants.

There was only the CNG and Cyprus Police, who were under the command of Makarios, followed by Yorgadjis and Grivas. TMT strongholds at Kophinou and Kokkina were attacked by the CNG, for blocking the Nicosia to Limassol highway at Kophinou and for Turkish arms smuggling in Kokkina. Even after weeks of CNG and police patrols being attacked, Makarios hesitated and did not want to attack the TMT. Eventually CNG personnel were killed from TMT ambush along the highway, and so Makarios was left with no other choice. The strongholds were reluctantly attacked, and this is what the TMT wanted.

Yes BIR, TMT kept ambushing ROC CNG and police, some were killed, and then the ROC attacked back.

You still refuse to answer my question...There was no CNG in 1963,the two sides could NOT come to an agreement between 1960 -63 to form it...So,
WHO WERE THE GC PARAMILITARIES WHO WERE ATTACKING MY ENCLAVE IN NICOSIA AT THE END OF DECEMBER 1963,IF NOT EOKA REMNANTS????????

They were Yorgadjis plain clothed Special Constables who clashed with Turkish Cypriot crowds. They were Police Officers and were on the RoC's pay roll! There was no EOKA paramilitary in 1963.

And the incident occurred on the 21 Dec 1963!

Yorgadjis was Interior minister at the time!

Minister of the Interior
In office
16 Aug 1960 – 1 Nov 1968

Ok, what was Nicos Sampsons role in 1963, 21st December? Was he merely a journalist when he attacked Kucuk Kaymakli???

Are you serious, what the hell does Bafiti know?

Bafidi, might not be 100% right all the time, but there is not much he has no knowledge of. For a youngster, that aint bad

[Oracle]

If there were so many GCs in power, and who were so 'bloodthirsty', and we know the GC population is much greater, how come when the bodies of the missing are exhumed and identified, there are proportionally similar TCs to GCs which were killed in the 60s?

Surely, if there were such "TC-killing machine" people amongst the GC population (being greater) there would have been multiples more TCs killed then GCs.

Proves what a load of garbage Bananiot and BirKibrisli spout.

For once, please stick to the evidence, old men!

[Oracle]

In fact, that such a small population as the TCs could have killed so many GCs makes a bigger proportion of the TCs as murderers!

[denizaksulu]

In fact, that such a small population as the TCs could have killed so many GCs makes a bigger proportion of the TCs as murderers!

But just above you stated that on the evidence of the uncovered bodies which are similar in numbers.......................that means a higher portion of TCs were killed per community. That means a higher percentage of Tcs died.

Good night.

[Oracle]

In fact, that such a small population as the TCs could have killed so many GCs makes a bigger proportion of the TCs as murderers!

But just above you stated that on the evidence of the uncovered bodies which are similar in numbers.......................that means a higher portion of TCs were killed per community. That means a higher percentage of Tcs died.

Good night.

You may well run off after an absurd comment like that!

No, the demographic proportions are similar. One TC for every 4 GCs were killed. Which means that for the smaller proportion of the Island's population, who were TCs, a greater number were killers to have killed 4-5 times more people (i.e. GCs). Unless it was just a few TCs who killed a bigger proportion. Either way, the TCs, for their population size, killed off more GCs than statements of the likes of BirKibrisli and Bananiot would qualify..

Ergo the 'greater' killers were the TCs!

So stop making out it was the GCs who were out on killing sprees! Especially since in the end, all that the GCs did was defend the legitimate government and its country!

[Bananiot]

the bodies of the missing are exhumed and identified, there are proportionally similar TCs to GCs which were killed in the 60s?

Where did you get the above? And what do numbers mean? The important point here to note is who did the killings, who were killed and why were they killed. An innocent TC or GC killed make up for 1000 extremist GC's or TC's killed.

[Oracle]

the bodies of the missing are exhumed and identified, there are proportionally similar TCs to GCs which were killed in the 60s?

Where did you get the above? And what do numbers mean? The important point here to note is who did the killings, who were killed and why were they killed. An innocent TC or GC killed make up for 1000 extremist GC's or TC's killed.

And yet, you say things like this:

They were both sick Turk haters who would have no problem to get rid of all TC's if they had the means to do so.

Did they not have the means to do that if they wanted to kill more TCs? We've already heard from you and Bir how much power they abused. If they wanted to kill all TCs than the numbers would have been greater, not just a similar proportion to the GCs who were also killed. Otherwise, by association you have to admit the TCs were a nastier kettle of fish. So yes, numbers do matter if you are going to accuse people of wanting to get rid of all TCs (by implication a numbers game).

As for the proportions, why just from today's' sources!

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/cmp-s ... g/20100408

[Get Real!]

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