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Postby YFred » Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:37 pm

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denizaksulu wrote: ... Omiros.Homer was a tragedy wrıter.


If I may just correct you here, Deniz, without having my head bitten off or accusations of "buttons", pushed in my face. But, Homer was a poet and storyteller! :D He certainly didn't follow the formal structures of "tragedy" which were developed long after his time.

I did not realise Simpson could write at all. :wink:
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Postby denizaksulu » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:40 pm

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denizaksulu wrote: ... Omiros.Homer was a tragedy wrıter.


If I may just correct you here, Deniz, without having my head bitten off or accusations of "buttons", pushed in my face. But, Homer was a poet and storyteller! :D He certainly didn't follow the formal structures of "tragedy" which were developed long after his time.


The Iliad and the Oddysey contained many a tragedy. But I agree that he was a story teller - and included some tragedy in his stories. He was not a 'Tragedy' writer as you described. His heroes were often made a subject by other tragedy writers.
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Postby kurupetos » Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:54 pm

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Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote: ... Omiros.Homer was a tragedy wrıter.


If I may just correct you here, Deniz, without having my head bitten off or accusations of "buttons", pushed in my face. But, Homer was a poet and storyteller! :D He certainly didn't follow the formal structures of "tragedy" which were developed long after his time.


The Iliad and the Oddysey contained many a tragedy. But I agree that he was a story teller - and included some tragedy in his stories. He was not a 'Tragedy' writer as you described. His heroes were often made a subject by other tragedy writers.


Odyssey.
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Postby Oracle » Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:55 pm

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denizaksulu wrote: ... Omiros.Homer was a tragedy wrıter.


If I may just correct you here, Deniz, without having my head bitten off or accusations of "buttons", pushed in my face. But, Homer was a poet and storyteller! :D He certainly didn't follow the formal structures of "tragedy" which were developed long after his time.


The Iliad and the Oddysey contained many a tragedy. But I agree that he was a story teller - and included some tragedy in his stories. He was not a 'Tragedy' writer as you described. His heroes were often made a subject by other tragedy writers.


Much better! Now you're talking to me instead of waste-of-words-fred, you've got your thoughts in order. :D I love the formal structures of Tragedy, now I've unravelled their mysteries (like Dolmades :wink:)

I'm just getting into the life of "Helen of Sparta" at the moment so I'm going to try and find out all the tragedies/comedies in which she figured. Despite the slurs, I hate Googling Classical stuff. I was lucky enough to be given The Oxford Classical Dictionary by hubby so when peace prevails, I shall leaf through that. Unless you can point me in the right direction ....
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Postby YFred » Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:06 pm

Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote: ... Omiros.Homer was a tragedy wrıter.


If I may just correct you here, Deniz, without having my head bitten off or accusations of "buttons", pushed in my face. But, Homer was a poet and storyteller! :D He certainly didn't follow the formal structures of "tragedy" which were developed long after his time.


The Iliad and the Oddysey contained many a tragedy. But I agree that he was a story teller - and included some tragedy in his stories. He was not a 'Tragedy' writer as you described. His heroes were often made a subject by other tragedy writers.


Much better! Now you're talking to me instead of waste-of-words-fred, you've got your thoughts in order. :D I love the formal structures of Tragedy, now I've unravelled their mysteries (like Dolmades :wink:)

I'm just getting into the life of "Helen of Sparta" at the moment so I'm going to try and find out all the tragedies/comedies in which she figured. Despite the slurs, I hate Googling Classical stuff. I was lucky enough to be given The Oxford Classical Dictionary by hubby so when peace prevails, I shall leaf through that. Unless you can point me in the right direction ....

Dolmathes? now that is the ultimate tragedy, what have you done to our Dolma, woman? I hope you don't itsult them by using pork mince.
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Postby denizaksulu » Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:20 pm

kurupetos wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote: ... Omiros.Homer was a tragedy wrıter.


If I may just correct you here, Deniz, without having my head bitten off or accusations of "buttons", pushed in my face. But, Homer was a poet and storyteller! :D He certainly didn't follow the formal structures of "tragedy" which were developed long after his time.


The Iliad and the Oddysey contained many a tragedy. But I agree that he was a story teller - and included some tragedy in his stories. He was not a 'Tragedy' writer as you described. His heroes were often made a subject by other tragedy writers.


Odyssey.


They are ODD stories arent they? :lol:
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Postby denizaksulu » Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:33 pm

Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote: ... Omiros.Homer was a tragedy wrıter.


If I may just correct you here, Deniz, without having my head bitten off or accusations of "buttons", pushed in my face. But, Homer was a poet and storyteller! :D He certainly didn't follow the formal structures of "tragedy" which were developed long after his time.


The Iliad and the Oddysey contained many a tragedy. But I agree that he was a story teller - and included some tragedy in his stories. He was not a 'Tragedy' writer as you described. His heroes were often made a subject by other tragedy writers.


Much better! Now you're talking to me instead of waste-of-words-fred, you've got your thoughts in order. :D I love the formal structures of Tragedy, now I've unravelled their mysteries (like Dolmades :wink:)

I'm just getting into the life of "Helen of Sparta" at the moment so I'm going to try and find out all the tragedies/comedies in which she figured. Despite the slurs, I hate Googling Classical stuff. I was lucky enough to be given The Oxford Classical Dictionary by hubby so when peace prevails, I shall leaf through that. Unless you can point me in the right direction ....



connected trilogy, which told a continuous story. One connected trilogy survives, The Oresteia of Aeschylus, consisting of three plays: Agamemnon, Libation Bearers and Eumenides. This trilogy traces the story of the House of Atreus from Agamemnon's murder by his wife after his return from Troy to the acquittal of his son, Orestes, who killed his mother in revenge

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If I am not mistaken Homer mentions Agamemnon.


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In Greek mythology, Agamemnon (Ancient Greek: Ἀγαμέμνων; modern Greek: Αγαμέμνονας, "very resolute") is the son of King Atreus of Mycenae and Queen Aerope; the brother of Menelaus and the husband of Clytemnestra; different mythological versions make him the king either of Mycenae or of Argos. When Helen, the wife of Menelaus, was abducted by Paris of Troy, Agamemnon was the commander of the Achaeans in the ensuing Trojan War. Upon his return from Troy he was murdered (according to the fullest version of the oldest surviving account, Odyssey Book 11, l.409f.) by Aegisthus, the lover of his wife Clytemnestra, who herself slew Cassandra, Agamemnon's unfortunate concubine, as she clung to him. In old versions of the story: "The scene of the murder, when it is specified, is usually the house of Aegisthus, who has not taken up residence in Agamemnon's palace, and it involves an ambush and the deaths of Agamemnon's followers too".[1] In some later versions Clytemnestra herself does the killing, or they do it together, in his own home.
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Postby Oracle » Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:47 pm

Thanks Deniz ... But I didn't want it Googled. Too many anomalies! :D

But thank you for trying, my dear!
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Postby Oracle » Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:51 pm

BTW ... yes Agamemnon was a major part of Homer's Iliad.

But a bit-part player as far as "Helen" was concerned.

I'm looking more into the rituals the Greeks celebrated surrounding her cult.
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Postby kurupetos » Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:54 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
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denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote: ... Omiros.Homer was a tragedy wrıter.


If I may just correct you here, Deniz, without having my head bitten off or accusations of "buttons", pushed in my face. But, Homer was a poet and storyteller! :D He certainly didn't follow the formal structures of "tragedy" which were developed long after his time.


The Iliad and the Oddysey contained many a tragedy. But I agree that he was a story teller - and included some tragedy in his stories. He was not a 'Tragedy' writer as you described. His heroes were often made a subject by other tragedy writers.


Odyssey.


They are ODD stories arent they? :lol:


Odd for the barbaric readers. Normal for the rest of us Greeks. :lol:
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