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[YFred]

21st December 1963.

What was the date you allege that the TC ministers walked out of the Gov?

The TC ministers started to disrupt parliament from November 1963. The unrests in December 1963 were a direct consequence of this initiation for partition. Next in the sequence were the Kokkina arms smuggling and then Turkey's direct invasion attempt in July-August 1964

I will stick my neck out and say that the initiation for partition began before that. The 'disruption' you talk about is bound to happen in any parliament.

They did not even come to blow like they do in Greece and or Turkey - and even guns in Sud-Amerika.

The TC leadership must have had a good sense to prepare for Akritas. With Enosis on your mind then, partition was the only defence the TCs had.

I remember the slogans during marches pre-1963 and the slogans of' Ya Taksim Ya ÖlÜM'. Someone must have had this in mind and planted the idea into the 'Cyprus Donkeys head'. But what the TCs then wanted was a peaceful partition rather than by force.IMHO.

Thanks for sticking your (lovely) neck out with regards to the TC ministers' disruptions. I went for as conservative an estimate as I could google.

But Deniz, you know full well there was no effort towards Enosis after 1960. So the earlier Turkish partition plans (Denktash-Kucuk) were the only obstacle to unity. Besides, no one could have known about "Akritas" (whether it was real or not) since it did not materialise until much later (1967?).

Oh princess of darkness, please tell us what the akritas plan meeting in 1960 was about. The highest IQ may belong to a french greecian, but the lowest belongs to a cypriot greecian.

Listen dunderhead ... why don't you tell us what you know then; since even according to your Turkish propaganda this "top secret plan" wasn't known about until it was published in 1967!:

This top secret plan, with the name of 'AKRITAS PLAN', was first published in the Greek Cypriot newspaper PATRIS on 21st April 1967,

Get your time-lines right!

The Murderers Klerides, Makarios, Tpapa, Samson Yorgajis, Grivas and a few others got together three months after the signature that set up the roc. What is it that you are after, a link to prove that. How? when it was not officially accepted as an event until 1967.
You guys have been cought with your fingers in the cookey jar, didn't ya.

What is it you still do not understand?

It doesn't matter what you claim NOW. The fact is this "top secret plan" wasn't in circulation until 1967. So you could not possibly have been reacting against such a plan between 1960 and 1967!

The TC ministers walked out because Ankara told them to set the wheels in motion for partition and nothing else! All the rest is post-event propaganda!

Your Stupidity is beyond belief. Just because GCs were not aware of it, does it mean nobody else could have been. Judging by friendship between your TPapa Yorgajis and Denktash, I bet they a photocopy to him in 1960.

[denizaksulu]

21st December 1963.

What was the date you allege that the TC ministers walked out of the Gov?

The TC ministers started to disrupt parliament from November 1963. The unrests in December 1963 were a direct consequence of this initiation for partition. Next in the sequence were the Kokkina arms smuggling and then Turkey's direct invasion attempt in July-August 1964

I will stick my neck out and say that the initiation for partition began before that. The 'disruption' you talk about is bound to happen in any parliament.

They did not even come to blow like they do in Greece and or Turkey - and even guns in Sud-Amerika.

The TC leadership must have had a good sense to prepare for Akritas. With Enosis on your mind then, partition was the only defence the TCs had.

I remember the slogans during marches pre-1963 and the slogans of' Ya Taksim Ya ÖlÜM'. Someone must have had this in mind and planted the idea into the 'Cyprus Donkeys head'. But what the TCs then wanted was a peaceful partition rather than by force.IMHO.

Thanks for sticking your (lovely) neck out with regards to the TC ministers' disruptions. I went for as conservative an estimate as I could google.

But Deniz, you know full well there was no effort towards Enosis after 1960. So the earlier Turkish partition plans (Denktash-Kucuk) were the only obstacle to unity. Besides, no one could have known about "Akritas" (whether it was real or not) since it did not materialise until much later (1967?).

Oh princess of darkness, please tell us what the akritas plan meeting in 1960 was about. The highest IQ may belong to a french greecian, but the lowest belongs to a cypriot greecian.

Listen dunderhead ... why don't you tell us what you know then; since even according to your Turkish propaganda this "top secret plan" wasn't known about until it was published in 1967!:

This top secret plan, with the name of 'AKRITAS PLAN', was first published in the Greek Cypriot newspaper PATRIS on 21st April 1967,

Get your time-lines right!

The Murderers Klerides, Makarios, Tpapa, Samson Yorgajis, Grivas and a few others got together three months after the signature that set up the roc. What is it that you are after, a link to prove that. How? when it was not officially accepted as an event until 1967.
You guys have been cought with your fingers in the cookey jar, didn't ya.

What is it you still do not understand?

It doesn't matter what you claim NOW. The fact is this "top secret plan" wasn't in circulation until 1967. So you could not possibly have been reacting against such a plan between 1960 and 1967!

The TC ministers walked out because Ankara told them to set the wheels in motion for partition and nothing else! All the rest is post-event propaganda!

The TC leadership. knew of the plan. They just not knew its given name. They had to wait a few years to find out the name 'Akritas'.

How do you know they knew of this plan and that it was in fact this actual plan? Do you have any evidence of them referring to this plan and its contents at the time, other than some general unsubstantiated claims which occurred post-walk-out and post 1964 invasion attempt?

They knew Enosis was always in the back of your minds. As they say, 'Görünen köy kılavuz istemez'. Now be a clever girl and translate that.

[YFred]

21st December 1963.

What was the date you allege that the TC ministers walked out of the Gov?

The TC ministers started to disrupt parliament from November 1963. The unrests in December 1963 were a direct consequence of this initiation for partition. Next in the sequence were the Kokkina arms smuggling and then Turkey's direct invasion attempt in July-August 1964

I will stick my neck out and say that the initiation for partition began before that. The 'disruption' you talk about is bound to happen in any parliament.

They did not even come to blow like they do in Greece and or Turkey - and even guns in Sud-Amerika.

The TC leadership must have had a good sense to prepare for Akritas. With Enosis on your mind then, partition was the only defence the TCs had.

I remember the slogans during marches pre-1963 and the slogans of' Ya Taksim Ya ÖlÜM'. Someone must have had this in mind and planted the idea into the 'Cyprus Donkeys head'. But what the TCs then wanted was a peaceful partition rather than by force.IMHO.

Thanks for sticking your (lovely) neck out with regards to the TC ministers' disruptions. I went for as conservative an estimate as I could google.

But Deniz, you know full well there was no effort towards Enosis after 1960. So the earlier Turkish partition plans (Denktash-Kucuk) were the only obstacle to unity. Besides, no one could have known about "Akritas" (whether it was real or not) since it did not materialise until much later (1967?).

Oh princess of darkness, please tell us what the akritas plan meeting in 1960 was about. The highest IQ may belong to a french greecian, but the lowest belongs to a cypriot greecian.

Listen dunderhead ... why don't you tell us what you know then; since even according to your Turkish propaganda this "top secret plan" wasn't known about until it was published in 1967!:

This top secret plan, with the name of 'AKRITAS PLAN', was first published in the Greek Cypriot newspaper PATRIS on 21st April 1967,

Get your time-lines right!

The Murderers Klerides, Makarios, Tpapa, Samson Yorgajis, Grivas and a few others got together three months after the signature that set up the roc. What is it that you are after, a link to prove that. How? when it was not officially accepted as an event until 1967.
You guys have been cought with your fingers in the cookey jar, didn't ya.

What is it you still do not understand?

It doesn't matter what you claim NOW. The fact is this "top secret plan" wasn't in circulation until 1967. So you could not possibly have been reacting against such a plan between 1960 and 1967!

The TC ministers walked out because Ankara told them to set the wheels in motion for partition and nothing else! All the rest is post-event propaganda!

The TC leadership. knew of the plan. They just not knew its given name. They had to wait a few years to find out the name 'Akritas'.

How do you know they knew of this plan and that it was in fact this actual plan? Do you have any evidence of them referring to this plan and its contents at the time, other than some general unsubstantiated claims which occurred post-walk-out and post 1964 invasion attempt?

They knew Enosis was always in the back of your minds. As they say, 'Görünen köy kılavuz istemez'. Now be a clever girl and translate that.

[Oracle]

Sounds to me like YFred and Deniz are making things up as they go along to please each other regardless of the actualities, time-lines and facts.

Expected from YFred, but shame on Deniz.

BTW Enosis was the right if the majority of the island wanted it, but partition was never the right simply to suit a pompous minority.

Keep fixing the "facts" after the events ... F*****G Turks!

[YFred]

Sounds to me like YFred and Deniz are making things up as they go along to please each other regardless of the actualities, time-lines and facts.

Expected from YFred, but shame on Deniz.

BTW Enosis was the right if the majority of the island wanted it, but partition was never the right simply to suit a pompous minority.

Keep fixing the "facts" after the events ... F*****G Turks!

I seem to remember the radio speech of Makarios when he said he will throw all the turks into the sea. Now that was a giveaway remark for me.
So can we recap, was there a plan hatched for enosis before the ink was dried on the agreement, and how do you feel about that?
Are you happy with it? becasue if you are then you should also be very happy at the consequences since then.
So stop complaining. The plan was hatched for Enosis/Taksim between Yorgajis and Dengtash, he just forgot to tell everybody else. May be he sent a text message but was killed before he pressed the sent button.
Can we have some information as to why was Yorgajis trying to kill Sampson? Was it sanctioned by Makarios and TPapa?
BTW can you please make decent attempt at spelling fucking Terks correctly please.

[Oracle]

I seem to remember the radio speech of Makarios when he said he will throw all the turks into the sea.

Firstly, moronic Turk-dirt ... you have to provide some evidence that Makarios made such a statement, you lying Turk!

[YFred]

Thanks to Halil and Bananiot. Please keep them coming.

YFred, may be it is not nice to write down these terrible things again and again..... as long as ignoring what was happened in 63's nothing left.....




On 1 January 1964 the Daily Herald reported: "When I came across the Turkish Cypriot homes they were an appalling sight. Apart from the walls they just did not exist. I doubt if a napalm attack could have created more devastation. Under roofs which had caved in I found a twisted mass of bed springs, children's cots, and grey ashes of what had once been tables, chairs and wardrobes. In the neighbouring village of Ayios Vassilios I counted 16 wrecked and burned out homes. They were all Turkish Cypriot. In neither village did I find a scrap of damage to any Greek Cypriot house."

On 14 January 1964 the Daily Telegraph reported that the Turkish Cypriot inhabitants of Ayios Vassilios had been massacred on 26 December 1963, and reported their exhumation from a mass grave in the presence of the Red Cross. A further massacre of Turkish Cypriots, at Limassol, was reported by The Observer on 16 February 1964, and there were many more. On 17 February 1964 the Washington Post reported that "Greek Cypriot fanatics appear bent on a policy of genocide." The Greek Cypriot Minister of the Interior admitted[120] that he had controlled the attack in Limassol himself.

British troops in Cyprus at the time did what they could to protect the Turkish Cypriots, and their efforts are remembered to this day, but the scale and ferocity of the Greek Cypriot attacks, and lack of political will in London, made their task impossible. On 6 February 1964 a British patrol found armed Greek Cypriot police attacking the Turkish Cypriots of Ayios Sozomenos, but they were unable to stop the attack.

On 13 February 1964 the Greeks and Greek Cypriots attacked the Turkish Cypriot quarter of Limassol with tanks, killing 16 and injuring 35. On 15 February 1964 The Daily Telegraph reported: "It is a real military operation which the Greek Cypriots launched against the six thousand inhabitants of the Turkish Cypriot Quarter yesterday morning. A spokesman for the Greek Cypriot Government has recognised this officially. It is hard to conceive how Greek and Turkish Cypriots may seriously contemplate working together after all that has happened."


On 10 September 1964 the UN Secretary-General reported (UN doc. S/5950):
"UNFICYP carried out a detailed survey of all damage to properties throughout the island during the disturbances, . . . . . . . . . it shows that in 109 villages, most of them Turkish-Cypriot or mixed villages, 527 houses have been destroyed while 2,000 others have suffered damage from looting. In Ktima 38 houses and shops have been destroyed totally and 122 partially. In the Orphomita suburb of Nicosia, 50 houses have been totally destroyed while a further 240 have been partially destroyed there and in adjacent suburbs."


The Turkish Cypriots were forced to withdraw into defended enclaves, and it was therefore in January 1964, not in 1974, that Cyprus was divided. On 14 January 1964 "Il Giorno" of Italy reported: "Right now we are witnessing the exodus of Turkish Cypriots from the villages. Thousands of people abandoning homes, land, herds. Greek Cypriot terrorism is relentless. This time the rhetoric of the Hellenes and the statues of Plato do not cover up their barbaric and ferocious behaviour." The Turkish Cypriots had to establish an elected authority to govern themselves whilst confined in their enclaves.

Where is GR and Oracle who claimed that the TCs forced themselves into the enclaves. You are Prize arses.

[Oracle]

I seem to remember the radio speech of Makarios when he said he will throw all the turks into the sea.

Firstly, moronic Turk-dirt ... you have to provide some evidence that Makarios made such a statement, you lying Turk!

Where is your evidence for the above, you f*ckwit!

[runaway]

I seem to remember the radio speech of Makarios when he said he will throw all the turks into the sea. Now that was a giveaway remark for me.
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fake TC kakapuros as well?

[Oracle]

I seem to remember the radio speech of Makarios when he said he will throw all the turks into the sea.

Firstly, moronic Turk-dirt ... you have to provide some evidence that Makarios made such a statement, you lying Turk!

Where is your evidence for the above, you f*ckwit!

C'mon you blundering Turk!

Where is the evidence?